Spirits ,good or evil?

Post by **Oletimer** » Sat May 11, 2019 3:33 am

I am trying to figure out what's going on with my daughter in law,,and now son,,she says she's always had this gift of sorts,,in the past year,,she tells me these frightening things,,how times it feels like something is holding her down on the bed,,having scratches, red marks,don't bleed, just show up,,thinks she has demonic attachments,,,now for the past couple of months, my son sometimes goes to bed,,feels like someone sat on the bed,,turns around, no one there,,it doesn't scare him,,just annoying,,and latest is about twice a month,he comes home,,and senses something, when he looks in the mirror, he's got 2 red lines,like a papercut on his forehead,,it's freaking him out,said he never experienced this type of thing till his wife started to experience things,,said whatever follows her is trying to attach to him,,I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK! My granddaughter is 4,,she told me sometimes she sees shadows in the hallway, ,but she isn't afraid, just curious,,I was going to take daughter in law to a shaman,to cleanse her,,but I couldn't do it,,I was afraid of whatever is in /around her,would try and jump on me,,lol,seriously this stuff sounds dark,,my son wouldn't make shit up,,he sent me a picture of his forehead after it happened a 2nd time,,it's there,,he says it doesn't hurt,just freaking him out,,I'm worried for them,,yet completely at a loss ,his dad use to dabble with the necromancer book,,,he truly believed he could make bad things happen to people, that book is still in the house,,so is his dad,,,I thought his dad was playing Head Games,,he was a narcissist,along with being a believer of Scientology, ,and dabbing in the dark side, all made for a perfect recipe to Engorge his feelings of grandiour,,anyhow ,with that makes me wonder,in a way,,but still, I Don't Know What to tell them,,

Post by **herbalhippie** » Sat May 11, 2019 7:40 am

This all happens in one house?

First thing I'd do is smudge the crap out of it.

Seeing or hearing things is one thing, physical attacks...nope.

Post by **NeonHippy** » Thu May 16, 2019 1:48 pm

Hope she gets the psychological help she needs.

Post by **mivanqua** » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:34 pm

herbalhippie wrote:This all happens in one house?

First thing I'd do is smudge the crap out of it.

Seeing or hearing things is one thing, physical attacks...nope.

Smudging really works. Every place we move, we always smudge before we move in. It gets rid of bad entities AS WELL AS leftover bad energy, and that could be all this is. Leftover remnants of terrible events that have occurred there. I would highly recommend at least trying it. If it doesn't work, your house smells like sage worst case scenario. (You don't have anything to lose trying it. it doesn't ATTRACT anything bad) There are chants you are supposed to say but we never do that.

Post by **beathappening** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:55 am

Oh, brother...

Post by **Oletimer** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:32 pm

I know, MIVANQUA! ! She smudged the whole house while mr.mean was in the hospital, ,things quieted down,,the atmosphere feels different now compared to before,,like a heavy yuk weighing down on ya before,,now That is gone,, ! That and all the crystals she got made a difference, I totally believe in it, ,along with crystals, ,my mom thinks it's nonsense,,but she's very closed minded,,negative Nancy is my nickname for her,,but the rose quartz under her chair seems to absorbing some of the negative energy,,not so critical and hateful as before,,hahaha!

Post by **Oletimer** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:28 pm

BTW, love the off topics,,people with similar interests can talk about whatever interests,hobbies, passions,we have in common, ,,like songs and music, love it,,,music is something we all can relate to, you can scroll through the topics and find whatever is of interest to you, ,whoever came up with the idea,TY! I don't look through all of them,, just the ones that I can relate to, in some way,,movies, netflix is another one, anyhow great community for topics outside of kratom!

Post by **mivanqua** » Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:14 am

beathappening wrote:Oh, brother...

I guess I can understand your cynicism involving the metaphysical, but personally I believe that there's much more to this "life" thing than we will ever see or know. Besides, smudging is a Native American tradition and I have always thought that they were on to something with their spiritual beliefs. Notthing gained, nothing lost with this one, so on the off chance that it DOES work, we've always given it a shot. YMMV.

Post by **Oletimer** » Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:43 pm

Well said MIVANQUA, ,,

Post by **herbalhippie** » Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:59 pm

Agreed <3

Post by **brave777** » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:22 am

Oletimor, do you still have that issue with son and daughter? I know few places where you contact who deal with that stuff. Simon parks, does it privet but you can look up his website and contact. Calogero Grifasi also does them, but most videos are trough skype, i dont know how much he charges, you can always ask on his site or look up info. He does have youtube with plenty of videos so you understand what he does. I do think people have to be present with their problems. I think there is also a follow ups. But just watching most of his videos in English will reveal a lot of things whats going on with your daughter or son. Best wishes.

Here is link to his english video to save you tupe from youtube https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... si+english

Post by **Oletimer** » Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:58 pm

Thanks brave 777,,,I'll send them the link,,

Post by **brave777** » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:53 pm

Oletimer wrote:Thanks brave 777,,,I'll send them the link,,

Np, hope that helps them. there is others who deal with this kind of line of work. Just didnt bookmark them, but they are out there, Calogero Grifasi does have english translator and even the person who does the work for them if they cant fall into hypnosis stage themselves and see their energetic body. Simon parks, you can have a skype chat but i dont think he does hypnosis, he just reads you. He knows and see all entities, Like you share what bothers you most, what happened to you, etc and he works on removing those attachments spiritual chips, with your will of course, nothing is done if the person don't want it to be gone. Very smart person anything related to paranormal. Its possible to get rid of it yourself by knowing methods by watching many Calogero Grifasi videos, he reveals many things, like permanently use your will to stop all nightmares, or get rid of any entities that bother with your life. Any way hope something out of it helps them. and you welcome.

Post by **beathappening** » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:26 am

Neonhippy makes a great point.

Show me some scientific evidence that proves that spirits or ghosts exist and I'll listen. Or evidence that waving sage smoke around with a feather actually does anything.Your reasoning of "well it doesn't hurt anything" is a version of Pascal's wager. I'll refer you to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_wager it's a very old positing. There is plenty of compelling criticism of it and little in the way of arguments for it .

It's not a metaphysical issue, it's make believe superstition. The burden of proof is on the one that makes the claim.

Post by **Oletimer** » Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:55 am

B777,,the videos have been a great help for them to better understand what is occurring, given her a great insight into understa

nding the issues of what to focus their energy into,instead of being overwhelmed by all the different types of causes and reasons,it's something that nails the problems with others who can relate to the exact same things,when you can find the people who can relate,its helps relieve all their stress that they are not alone, and receive advice that's very helpful for them to deal with all the issues in a positive, effective way,, TY so much

Post by **Oletimer** » Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:45 am

I posted this to hopefully find info and advice on real issues that are occurring with my daughter in law, son, and my 3 grandkids that live in the house,,this is terrifying as a mother and grandma, ,it's about THEM , not about YOU or showing evidence that these things don't exist, I'm not pushing my beliefs in your face if you don't believe it, fine,,why look for Proof in something you don't believe in,, I'm not trying to prove anything, I'm looking for ADVICE ,instead of cluttering up this thread ,why not start a thread about You and your beliefs, proofs for evidence instead of high jacking this thread holey moley!,

Post by **mivanqua** » Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:27 pm

I've said what I need to say. Beyond that, it's on you. Believe, don't believe, I dont have a horse in that race. I have lived with an entity that found great joy in playing games with us. How do you propose I prove that to you? I'm not going to hold your hand and walk you through the garden and answer your questions as you have them. You are alive as I am and should have had experiences that at least make you wonder. I will tell you that science is a hollow faith and wagering all bets on it will prove to be less than fruitful for you. Some things defy explanation. To think otherwise is just robbing yourself. BUT whatever. Think what you'd like.
I will say this. If you can judge the beliefs of the Native American people and think you are above them in some way, then what can I say to change that? Not a not a not a not a damn thing, as q-tip once said.

Post by **beathappening** » Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:57 pm

Oletimer wrote:I posted this to hopefully find info and advice on real issues that are occurring with my daughter in law, son, and my 3 grandkids that live in the house,,this is terrifying as a mother and grandma, ,it's about THEM , not about YOU or showing evidence that these things don't exist, I'm not pushing my beliefs in your face if you don't believe it, fine,,why look for Proof in something you don't believe in,, I'm not trying to prove anything, I'm looking for ADVICE ,instead of cluttering up this thread ,why not start a thread about You and your beliefs, proofs for evidence instead of high jacking this thread holey moley!,

You're looking for advice? See a primary physician and get those kids referred to a psychiatrist/psychologist. Maybe the mother and grandmother too, if they are planting and reinforcing delusional thoughts into their heads.

By the by, saying science is a faith is ludicrous, and goes to show how little you understand about what science is and how it works. Thanks for invalidating anything you say in the future, though.

Post by **Oletimer** » Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:46 pm

Very well said MIVANQUA, it's a waste of energy to try to prove something to someone who believes in nothing,,you are dealing with a real issue, ,,smudging has become very popular, ,I have my crystals, ,but for some reason I'm very attracted to early early, native american practices and artifacts,dreamcatchers everywhere, arrowheads, arrow points,scrapers,,ax heads,so many found near creeks, ,,I have a book about medical healing hebs,practicing, the rituals,,,I try to incorporate both crystals, for the physical self,and energy surrounding us,along with the smudging and rituals to cleanse leftover remnants of past energys, on another note,,my grandson, who is autistic, ,is very calmed down by playing native american flute meditational utube music,,I think it could help calm down activity in the rest of the house,certainly won't hurt,,?

Post by **Oletimer** » Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:14 pm

Science and doctors can't fix this, ,,since you have no knowledge of these things,anything you say in future is invalid, ,your chakras are blocked up, you lack insight, so read this ---https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... es________ very good read if you are into scientific evidence

Post by **beathappening** » Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:19 pm

Oletimer wrote:anything you say in future is invalid,

Lol..."lalala I can't hear you!! You disagree with me so you're wrong!" Give it a rest. You should know better, and raising offspring to believe in fairies and unicorns is downright irresponsible.

First you say science can't prove it and then you cherry pick a "science" article. What was that, the 3rd Google search result for "how to masquerade at legitimacy"? You're grasping at straws. Just admit that you can't prove anything you're saying and move on. It's your belief, it's not fact. Sorry to ruin your silly crystal chakra powwow... you can try to seal yourself off into a bubble, but every now and then someone's going to pop it. Don't get mad everyone doesn't share your bizarre pseudoscientific ideas, and don't get mad because someone laughs at them. Next you'll be saying you're a totally legit alchemist and ancient aliens totally exist because your spirit animal told you so. You're a heartbeat away from Scientology. Your rock called, it misses the warmth you provide its underside.

Post by **herbalhippie** » Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:26 pm

beathappening, you don't believe, fine. Why are you in this thread being borderline hostile?

Post by **beathappening** » Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:30 pm

herbalhippie wrote:beathappening, you don't believe, fine. Why are you in this thread being borderline hostile?

I started out stating that I'll reserve my judgement until I see proof. What followed was a lot of pouting, unwarranted defensiveness, passive aggressiveness ("i'm not going to hold your hand"? Geez) directed at me. That was an escalation, but I don't see you mentioning that, perhaps because you agree with them. Sorry I have a dissenting opinion and am not afraid to make it known.

Post by **herbalhippie** » Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:40 pm

beathappening wrote:
Oletimer wrote:I posted this to hopefully find info and advice on real issues that are occurring with my daughter in law, son, and my 3 grandkids that live in the house,,this is terrifying as a mother and grandma, ,it's about THEM , not about YOU or showing evidence that these things don't exist, I'm not pushing my beliefs in your face if you don't believe it, fine,,why look for Proof in something you don't believe in,, I'm not trying to prove anything, I'm looking for ADVICE ,instead of cluttering up this thread ,why not start a thread about You and your beliefs, proofs for evidence instead of high jacking this thread holey moley!,
You're looking for advice? See a primary physician and get those kids referred to a psychiatrist/psychologist. Maybe the mother and grandmother too, if they are planting and reinforcing delusional thoughts into their heads.

By the by, saying science is a faith is ludicrous, and goes to show how little you understand about what science is and how it works. Thanks for invalidating anything you say in the future, though.

This is where it started to go bad, your post.

Post by **mivanqua** » Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:53 pm

Well, isn't that what you expect? Don't you want me to hold your hand and list off proof to you? I'm NOT going to share my experiences with you. Why? It isn't PROOF. What makes you think there IS proof? I dont understand why you said to me "everything you say from now on is invalid," and then oletimer said the EXACT same thing to you and you got offended. Explain how its a-ok for you to say it but not him? Literally pretty much the exact same words. I don't care one way or another. And science IS a faith. You're being foolish if you think I don't "understand" science. Look! You don't know me and you don't have a clue about my interests or knowledge. But I'll tell you this. I'm all about science, but I know its limitations. Lots of lies and misunderstandings in the field of science. You like NASA? That's science, right? Well, prove that we've been to the moon. I want PROOF, not a YouTube video. Before you start, I'll just say that you CAN'T prove we've been to the moon. Nobody can. YET NASA says we've FOR SURE been there. Do you see my point? What exactly IS proof? And by the way, you are indeed being a tad condescending here. FYI. This is my last post on the topic, do what you do. Whatever gets you to sleep at night. I'm not here to argue with.a staunch 3-Der because I'm acutely aware that there is more to life than what we see. You can think what I say is invalid all you'd like. That won't change what I've seen with my own eyes and never will. Adios!

Post by **Oletimer** » Wed Jul 03, 2019 7:41 pm

Sorry MIVANQUA, I enjoyed your input, but it's hard to have discussions with the unnecessary drama afterall this is _________Off Topic
Off topic forum for all non-kratom related discussion. Movies, music, sports, weather - anything goes! Come on in and start a thread for anything you want to talk about with your fellow kratomites.________ In order to share experiences, apparently you have to block posts by people like B, ,that's unnecessary ,,it's rude, the proper thing would be for her to post her own thread,,,,

Post by **Oletimer** » Wed Jul 03, 2019 7:54 pm

I agree with you Hh_____herbalhippie » Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:26 pm

beathappening, you don't believe, fine. Why are you in this thread being borderline hostile, ------ if you don't believe, why insert yourself in the thread, ,unless you know it will cause discord, we are opening up about very personal experiences, ,the whole thing is discourteous to other members,,

Post by **e_poison** » Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:36 am

I’m a man of science and take most paranormal stories with a grain of salt, but I’ve had a few experiences myself that I can’t rationally explain. Science is great, but there are some things we have yet to learn about how our world works. It may turn out that ghosts and hauntings are some as-of-yet unknown natural phenomena that will be explained with science in the future, but for now, it’s fun to speculate and I definitely enjoy a good ghost story.

Post by **brave777** » Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:15 am

From all the stuff i had extra time to study, i am convinced we are not alone in universe. Even the moon. When we tried to shit on moon with our trash being send up there, dont matter any country, Russa, USA, China, everyone was warned. Look hard enough, you will see some pics floating on the back side of the moon having bases. Who gets to clean up all the shit we sent up there and goes out of order? not earth humans and they simply got sick of wiping shit (who ever they are). Thats why you still hear no more race to the moon or any type of that thing. I am sure some beings on moon work with some earth people and have even a base for earth people with C02. Now thats just assumption, so go figure. Some say its Reptilians others says its tall whites, maybe there is more then one race on it. I do think we have been to the moon, only problem with that is stuff that happened on the moon has to be shush shush, and "Never A Strait Answer" recorded some entertainment to watch how we walking on the moon in Nevada Desert, we sheep needed something. If the moon had to be talked that means people in power have no control or power since other race is involved so thats where it all ends in my opinion. I am i saying we are being influenced by other race, i dont know, could be, possibility are endless. I do think we were many different beings in past lifes, Alba weinman does healing past life regressions and she encountered planets and beings we never heard of which their clients experienced, is better then watching any movie. One of the most talked about beings is Reptilian, of top of my head i remember "179 Alba Weinman - A Reptilian from Mars" her client was a reptilian in past life, so if someone has extra time, i ll leave the link below,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIWKHxxivag

Its like baking a cake and if you leave one ingredient out, nothing taste right. Every individual is part of it, you being here already doing something.

Enjoy the watch.

Post by **Bigblind** » Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:13 am

Yall need God not sage.Sounds like your dealing with demons.

Post by **Thekid1420** » Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:46 am

brave777 wrote:From all the stuff i had extra time to study, i am convinced we are not alone in universe. Even the moon. When we tried to shit on moon with our trash being send up there, dont matter any country, Russa, USA, China, everyone was warned. Look hard enough, you will see some pics floating on the back side of the moon having bases. Who gets to clean up all the shit we sent up there and goes out of order? not earth humans and they simply got sick of wiping shit (who ever they are). Thats why you still hear no more race to the moon or any type of that thing. I am sure some beings on moon work with some earth people and have even a base for earth people with C02. Now thats just assumption, so go figure. Some say its Reptilians others says its tall whites, maybe there is more then one race on it. I do think we have been to the moon, only problem with that is stuff that happened on the moon has to be shush shush, and "Never A Strait Answer" recorded some entertainment to watch how we walking on the moon in Nevada Desert, we sheep needed something. If the moon had to be talked that means people in power have no control or power since other race is involved so thats where it all ends in my opinion. I am i saying we are being influenced by other race, i dont know, could be, possibility are endless. I do think we were many different beings in past lifes, Alba weinman does healing past life regressions and she encountered planets and beings we never heard of which their clients experienced, is better then watching any movie. One of the most talked about beings is Reptilian, of top of my head i remember "179 Alba Weinman - A Reptilian from Mars" her client was a reptilian in past life, so if someone has extra time, i ll leave the link below,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIWKHxxivag

Its like baking a cake and if you leave one ingredient out, nothing taste right. Every individual is part of it, you being here already doing something.

Enjoy the watch.

This reads like an L Ron Hubbard novel!

Post by **brave777** » Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:46 pm

Thekid1420 wrote:
brave777 wrote:From all the stuff i had extra time to study, i am convinced we are not alone in universe. Even the moon. When we tried to shit on moon with our trash being send up there, dont matter any country, Russa, USA, China, everyone was warned. Look hard enough, you will see some pics floating on the back side of the moon having bases. Who gets to clean up all the shit we sent up there and goes out of order? not earth humans and they simply got sick of wiping shit (who ever they are). Thats why you still hear no more race to the moon or any type of that thing. I am sure some beings on moon work with some earth people and have even a base for earth people with C02. Now thats just assumption, so go figure. Some say its Reptilians others says its tall whites, maybe there is more then one race on it. I do think we have been to the moon, only problem with that is stuff that happened on the moon has to be shush shush, and "Never A Strait Answer" recorded some entertainment to watch how we walking on the moon in Nevada Desert, we sheep needed something. If the moon had to be talked that means people in power have no control or power since other race is involved so thats where it all ends in my opinion. I am i saying we are being influenced by other race, i dont know, could be, possibility are endless. I do think we were many different beings in past lifes, Alba weinman does healing past life regressions and she encountered planets and beings we never heard of which their clients experienced, is better then watching any movie. One of the most talked about beings is Reptilian, of top of my head i remember "179 Alba Weinman - A Reptilian from Mars" her client was a reptilian in past life, so if someone has extra time, i ll leave the link below,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIWKHxxivag

Its like baking a cake and if you leave one ingredient out, nothing taste right. Every individual is part of it, you being here already doing something.

Enjoy the watch.
This reads like an L Ron Hubbard novel!

and it turned into a Scientology cult that steals money, i am sure he had good intention to write fantasy novel about xinhu to make people aware of otter beings but dwindled down the hill with greed really fast. Same thing with Christians, they made Jesus an idol and worship it and make him God. When Jesus him self said, "heavens are whiten you!" "why they ignore this statement is beyond me. Do most Christians not realize every single part of us are creators, we can experience Hell and heaven right whiten us, what makes you think its any different when you don't have a physical body? When its your B Day and you have lots friends bring you presents, what state you experience? Heaven... When you are in a car crash, what state you experience? Hell... But yeah it might read as a fantasy how i wrote, even thought its just pure assumption and no evidence, but i choose to believe that because Nevada recordings with fake moon landings wont do it for me.

I do believe, Other beings been among us, I like how Jay Essex captured a video after he came out of Home Depot on a parking lot, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV9f34oFUyg I am very sure their space ship can hide themselves by making clouds to not be able be seen. If you driving around and see weird cloud formations, i am sure if its not our tech it is other beings. News and movies control everything, by not talking about weird objects in the sky and movies always makes other beings look bad. So called alians understand the concept of how everything is connected. I am convinced once people understand we are all family just in another suite, they will show up physically. For now with all the movies making them look bad, they wont show up, they know everyone will run for the gun. Now my mind can change if you give me a better story. It is never fixated, on "this is the only way and everyone else will go to hell". that's childish. I consider my self open minded, trying to figure the big puzzle. I respect anyone who follows their own hearts but not going with the mass to the slaughter house.

Those who are fixated on one thing only, be it Science faith, Jesus faith or Xinhu faith will be in the box for a long time, their is no peeking out for them what the possibility's are. Do I consider my self God, not in a million years, but as me being part of that big puzzle? yes, just like everyone is. my 2 cents.

Post by **Oletimer** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:58 am

I totally agree with Brave 777 and the THE KID, I think we were genetically altered, and being watched to follow our progress, the huge leaps in technology throughout history, ,etc. I think there are also realms outside of what we can see,,our body's die,but the soul, energy remains, maybe it lingers around, and some reincarnates,,those experiences that some have had aren't delusional, I believe there are angelic energies, ,as far as that subject, I have had 1 life /death experience where I don't know if you'd call it a guardian angel,or what,,but I will never forget it,I had a tubal pregnancy that burst at 3 am,,I tried to get off couch to get to phone, I'd get faint, I was bleeding internally, I tried to get up to wake my parents to call 911,,I'd get faint, drop back to the couch,,I was weak, I was in pain,,I had no energy,,that's when I felt a push on my shoulder pushing me to floor,,at same time I heard a voice, from another realm,crawl, got to crawl now,,I crawled on my belly pulling myself with arms and legs,,I wasn't faint, cause I wasn't standing, I crawled to parents bed room and barely got the words out call 911 NOW, less than 10 minutes ambulance was there, I had no blood pressure, and they had me at er in 10 minutes,,during this time I was awake, talking,but felt pure euphoria, my body was going into shock, I felt like I was on cloud 9,,,well after the emergency surgery,the dr said it looked like a bomb blew up inside my female parts,,that if I had gotten there 5 minutes later, I'd be dead,,I lost a llot of blood, took 2 bags of transfusion to replace what was floating internally, ,so,,That PUSH,nudging me to the floor, and the voice crawl, NOW, I,well I guess it wasn't my time, but I don't know if it was a guardian angel,or what,but I felt the push,and will Never forget that voice,,,

Post by **Oletimer** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:00 am

SO TRUE______Those who are fixated on one thing only, be it Science faith, Jesus faith or Xinhu faith will be in the box for a long time, their is no peeking out for them what the possibility's are.

Post by **herbalhippie** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:06 am

Life would be a bit sad and boring if it weren't for these other experiences in my opinion. But you have to open your mind to the possibilities for them to happen. I love the magic!

Post by **beathappening** » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:09 pm

And who doesn't love Santa Claus??!

Post by **Oletimer** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:18 am

So true, well said Hh____[quote][/y herbalhippie » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:06 am

Life would be a bit sad and boring if it weren't for these other experiences in my opinion. But you have to open your mind to the possibilities for them to happen. I love the magic!
Open minds lead to inventions,,,etc. New technologies, understanding what was once unknown, ,when you have experienced paranormal, extraterrestrial, you just know, knowing is the magical part,,,,close minded skeptics who have experienced things,,some KNOW, but have no explanation, but they aren't skeptical, ,they know what they experienced,I think you have to have an open mind to be receptive, ,there's a lot more to thisworld,universe, ,magic, is a beautiful thing]

Post by **Oletimer** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:22 am

So true, well said Hh____[quote][/y herbalhippie » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:06 am

Life would be a bit sad and boring if it weren't for these other experiences in my opinion. But you have to open your mind to the possibilities for them to happen. I love the magic!
Open minds lead to inventions,,,etc. New technologies, understanding what was once unknown, ,when you have experienced paranormal, extraterrestrial, you just know, knowing is the magical part,,,,close minded skeptics who have experienced things,,some KNOW, but have no explanation, but they aren't skeptical, ,they know what they experienced,I think you have to have an open mind to be receptive, ,there's a lot more to thisworld,universe, ,magic, is a beautiful thing]

Post by **beathappening** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:36 am

I know it's beyond pointless to engage in any sort of meaningful exchange but there are thru thing happening in science that would blow your mind. Asytrophyics, astronomy, cosmology. Quantum theory, quantumentanglment, rocket science, mutliverse theory....it goes on and on and on. I don't expect you understand a fraction of this, because I sure as hell don't. There is far more that we don't know than what we do. Does not that mean we automatically ascribe our lack of knowledge to an equally unknowable force that has absolutely no basis in reality?? Surely that many people's what flock to. It's your freedlm. But one famous scientist one said "Absence of evidence if not evidence of absence?"

Now.i know I have not an idiota.of.chsnging your mind. So I'm not going to even try. You're opinions are set in stone forever. That's too bad thdt you've closed your eyes on s y new evidence. Such is the way of Christiams and muslim and some others. All I can say if you're missing of a lot, a it's never to late to experience life, fior real. You maybe be old, but that's nothing to hold you back. Good luck friend. There is much to discover.

Post by **Oletimer** » Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:43 pm

I agree with you B, about the leaps in science, ,so much more to discover, the possibilities are endless, ,I am not trying to prove anything, this is about experiences,I understand that when topics about crystals, aliens, paranormal, come up,,you want proof,,but that's not what this is about, ,it's sorta like discussing Kratom, what it does for us,,there's no scientific proof ,we just know it works,,I'm sure there are studies about it,but much more scientific research to prove it,,I'm making a comparison here,,,,anyhow I appreciate your enthusiasm in science, I am not trying to force my beliefs on you,,and I don't expect you to believe them, I'm sharing experiences,,I respect your beliefs in science,,but in these type of conversations, there's no place for science,,these things happen, ,and it's futile to make me believe your way,,why would you want to make me believe your way? And I am not trying to make you believe my way,,just because there's not enough scientific proof doesn't mean we don't experience these things,,that's the reason for this topic,if you can't relate to it,or you think it's nonsense, that's fine I respect that,,,and I just guess I'd appreciate a little respect in return