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Oregon becomes 1st state to Decriminalize Heroin and Meth... and Legalize psilocybin mushrooms. And we've already got the best Cannabis in USA & weed shops on every corner

https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/202 ... ation.html

https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/202 ... rooms.html

Good for Oregon. Education is the key to fighting addiction. Now we need to work on getting more free rehab and treatment centers

This should be an interesting experiment. In theory, I am in favor of decriminalization of all substances- the government shouldn't have a say of what you put into your own body- but I wonder how it would work in practice. I wonder what they define as "small amounts". You could have a tiny gram bag of fentanyl for example that would be enough to overdose and many people. I wonder how law enforcement feels about all this.

Playerpiano72 wrote:This should be an interesting experiment. In theory, I am in favor of decriminalization of all substances- the government shouldn't have a say of what you put into your own body- but I wonder how it would work in practice.

Excellent points, Oregon is being used as an experiment, a guinea pig, by George Soros and Mark Zuckerberg (Facebook) who funded 110 from New York City... like you say, the idea sounds good, but with all ballot measures the devil is in the details. This one sucks!

I unfortunately had to OPPOSE 110, and join my friends in the largest recovery groups: Oregon Recovers, and Mental Health Association Of Portland... in opposing this bullshit measure which offers NO treatment beds for addicts. It's basically a revolving door, you get a $100 ticket for possession 1 gram Heroin... and you get a "appointment" with a Counselor which is optional. How many junkies will keep that appointment, before they turn up dead? https://www.oregonrecovers.org/about/

Sadly... Jail Saves Lives. Being a heroin addict in 2020 is insane, they're cutting the dope with Fent. Death Rate is way way up... Up 70% in just ONE year!! And now, pass the word. Spread the Good News up and down West Coast.. we'll have a million junkies from Seattle to L.A. coming to Portland for the "Free Dope", a bad situation can only get worse!!

Oregon sees ‘alarming spike’ in opioid-related deaths in April May 2020

I lived in a relatively small city in about 2015 when the fentanyl came. Every week someone else overdosed and died...just on my block. I didn't live in the greatest part of town but still. It's extremely dangerous...you only need microgram amounts to kill you if you take it intravenously. Literally a few miniscule specks/crumbs; you can't tell it's there unless you test it, and no heroin addict is going to do that. I think it's the main reason police started carrying narcan all the time.

You should check out the UK and some other countries, they have legal heroin, but it's a program you have to qualify for. You go to a clinic three times a day and inject safely in a clean environment. It's all very controlled. It sounds super liberal, but in essence it's no different than the methadone and suboxone programs they have here.

I have to disagree with jailing people for being addicts, there should be a different program they go into. They don't deserve to be locked up with little or no medical care, and in the same place as violent offenders or people convicted as sex crimes. At the same time, I don't know how much good treatment actually does..the majority of people relapse. Don't even get me started on AA and NA.

Playerpiano72 wrote:I lived in a relatively small city in about 2015 when the fentanyl came. Every week someone else overdosed and died...just on my block. I didn't live in the greatest part of town but still. It's extremely dangerous...you only need microgram amounts to kill you if you take it intravenously. Literally a few miniscule specks/crumbs; you can't tell it's there unless you test it, and no heroin addict is going to do that. I think it's the main reason police started carrying narcan all the time.

You should check out the UK and some other countries, they have legal heroin, but it's a program you have to qualify for. You go to a clinic three times a day and inject safely in a clean environment. It's all very controlled. It sounds super liberal, but in essence it's no different than the methadone and suboxone programs they have here.

I have to disagree with jailing people for being addicts, there should be a different program they go into. They don't deserve to be locked up with little or no medical care, and in the same place as violent offenders or people convicted as sex crimes. At the same time, I don't know how much good treatment actually does..the majority of people relapse. Don't even get me started on AA and NA.

I agree jail is not the answer for addicts and jail does not save lives. The entire AA and NA programs are a joke as well. The whole recovery industry needs an overhaul.

What Oregon is doing is basically what Portugal has done for the last 20 years and it's worked remarkably well for them. Drugs use and death have significantly declined, so has crime.

... and as always, Iowa is frozen in time and absolutely refuses to progress.

Drugs will never be decriminalized in the rust belt.

Is iowa considered part of the rust belt? Just had to ask, I'm a map nerd

e_poison wrote:... and as always, Iowa is frozen in time and absolutely refuses to progress.

Drugs will never be decriminalized in the rust belt.

The bible belt is tough too buddy, alot of people are much more liberal when it comes to drugs than before...but still not much progression. Athens is one of the more liberal cities in Georgia, and Atlanta is pretty liberal these days but the rest of the state still hang on to very close minded views on drugs and drug addiction.

Playerpiano72 wrote:Is iowa considered part of the rust belt? Just had to ask, I'm a map nerd

Not all of it since much of Iowa is farming, but the eastern side by the Illinois border is definitely in the rust belt. Just a bunch of ugly and crappy run down cities with abandoned buildings and grey skies.

Eastern Iowa is disgusting. The further west you go, the nicer it gets in general.

BallzDeep9 wrote:Oregon becomes 1st state to Decriminalize Heroin and Meth... and Legalize psilocybin mushrooms. And we've already got the best Cannabis in USA & weed shops on every corner

https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/202 ... ation.html

https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/202 ... rooms.html

Awesome, you'll get even more homeless headed your way to destroy the PNW. That scourge on such beautiful land, what a shame, it could have been avoided.

Dude you suck at trolling . Nothing wrong with being homeless either. Maybe if you went through it you'd have a more objective world view.

Home Sweet Home for all the Vegan, clean earth people. It gets much wise then this. They are destroying public property and costing money in cleanup. With the new drug laws shit gonna get real nasty. People getting high on the streets and nodding out. Crime, you name it. And crazy ass Ted Wheeler still Seattle's mayor. Everything Democrats touch turns to shit given time.

Don't feed the poor troll. He's looking the attention he never got as a child. Ten bucks says he loves Putin.

Playerpiano72 wrote:Don't feed the poor troll. He's looking the attention he never got as a child. Ten bucks says he loves Putin.

Yeah, he's too stupid to realize that The Netherlands, Portugal, Czechia and Switzerland have decriminalized drugs and
instituted treatment plans and they're all the better for it!

Oh, and you just won ten bucks!

Mr. keaton wrote:Home Sweet Home for all the Vegan, clean earth people. It gets much wise then this. They are destroying public property and costing money in cleanup. With the new drug laws shit gonna get real nasty. People getting high on the streets and nodding out. Crime, you name it. And crazy ass Ted Wheeler still Seattle's mayor. Everything Democrats touch turns to shit given time.

Not sure what U mean here? "clean earth people. It gets much wise then this", huh ?? Yes I believe Clean Earth folks are generally "wise", they listen to Scientists, doctors, teachers... you know, academics/ intelligent people who are hated by the Far Right, low-information voters?

Brainwashed much? Ted Wheeler is the Mayor of Portland oregon. Not "Seattle".. Ted got re-elected.. You're repeating some BS they fed you on Rump TV? No public property was "destroyed". They spray tagged a building... big deal. That's already been washed off. Oh, they Lit a fire in the street. Oooh. You saw that on Fox? PDX = Metro population > 3 Million people, it's actually a pretty nice area.

Look, Every big city has it's share of crazy people.. Mental health issues. I do agree with you, homeless is a problem. Measure 110, may cause problems, Time will tell... We got homeless folks, all over the USA now.. ( thanks to Republicans!) Many more soon, as Rent moratoriums expire in each state.. I hope Joe Biden, will jack up Corporate Tax as he promised. 28% baby! Help is needed.. A Stimulus Check is needed.

I really think keaton is going into various political threads and trying to rev people up with his trumpist rhetoric as a joke. I wouldn't take it seriously, he's just trying to push people's buttons. The best thing is to ignore any trolling, the best way to get rid of that type is to deprive it of any oxygen (metaphorically, of course). He doesn't coherently expand on his views, he says just enough to bother people and suck people in to responding and giving him attention. If he actually had a cogent argument, I would give him a chance and engage in discussion. As of now, his comments don't warrant a serious response. If I am wrong, then make an argument keaton, don't just spout Trumpisms.

What a disaster that would be. Worse then now, homeless everywhere, people shooting up in the streets. Good god this a dumb idea. The trash unfer thr overpasses is full already. Where are the adults?

Mr. keaton wrote:What a disaster that would be. Worse then now, homeless everywhere, people shooting up in the streets. Good god this a dumb idea. The trash unfer thr overpasses is full already. Where are the adults?

This trolling is so bad it makes me cringe. Please get a new routine. You've just repeated what you already said earlier in this thread. If you really consider any human beings to be trash I really feel sorry for you. How can you reconcile taking kratom while Republican? Honest question.

The "drug war" is an abysmal failure and only amounts to more revenue for treatment facilities (who would still make plenty if drugs were decriminalized) and states. Its bullshit and drugs need to be decriminalized across the board. Either that or illegalize the ones that are even more dangerous for the sake of "public health." Like state troopers, who are so very important to fund but essentially do nothing except sit on highway construction sites with lights flashing (they don't make machines that do this?) and stopping those evil speeders! Yeah, what's the point again? Speed limits are so important that we need a whole clan of fuckers to try to thwart it? Seriously? Anyway, drug war is through, our government, especially with this Mrna vaccine they.want to force on people with literally NO culpability or transparency, has lost.ALL credibility and if you have two brain cells to rub together, you know the "drug war" is just another money making scam. If i want to bang every narcotic in existence at the same time, besides myself, who am I hurting? Should I REALLY be imprisoned or have to pay MORE money? That cocktail would already be pretty pricey! This, in light of all of the blatant horse shit they have been hemorrhaging about kratom, should not even be a conversation here. We should.all just.whisper "alright!" and move on. A win for them is a win for us in the long run.