Kratom Crumbs

[Joedaddy77]

So I've been a customer with RVA for about 8 or 9 months. He recently got some Green plantation and Green Vietnam from what he called and old vendor. Everyone was so happy to be getting the Original PMD. I missed it before it sold out, but I got the other 2 GV and GP. I really liked them both, but everyone else said the OGPMD was no good or not as good as before. So, he just restocked the GV and GP this time and said he's probably done with Kratom Crumbs for good bc he's the most unprofessional person he's deals with. Now I'm wondering is it really bc he thinks he's unprofessional or is it bc the KC product is inconsistent? Does anyone have any experience dealing with KC directly? I ordered 4kg from them myself and got shipping info within 2 days and it will be here on Monday.

[BallzDeep9]

Now I'm wondering is it really bc he thinks he's unprofessional or is it bc the KC product is inconsistent? Does anyone have any experience dealing with KC directly? I ordered 4kg from them myself and got shipping info within 2 days and it will be here on Monday.

Very interesting, thanks. I have bought lots of KC leaf, over 2+ years, from trusted US vendors who stock it.. KC has been really a legendary Indo supplier, to many vendors and individuals as well. Experience wise? KC has got a long history, and track record.

So those are Facts: Proven history, long record of exporting quality batches to USA. Well known for Premium Maeng Da, in fact KC may have invented "PMD" right? haha.. So, we've got facts, and then.. some opinions. The opinions expressed by any 1 vendor, regard to business dealings with Mr. Raditya Setiawan, should not affect you and me. Radit has nothing to prove?

I mean, sounds like sour grapes.. And, not the first time we've heard that. These are deals involving 1000's of kilos and.. How much $ is KC making, per kilo? Generally, my opinion is that Indo's should get a little more.. Is the vendor "cheap prices" causing a problem when negotiating a large order? Who is getting squeezed on price, here?

I'll tell you one thing. Business in Indonesia.. it's all about having a personal trusted relationship.. It sounds like, things have gone side-ways for a long, time between these guys. Sad to hear!! One side of the story anyway.. Lots of water under that bridge.

I'd be confident, you'll receive excellent kratom from KC... did you order direct from Radit? May I ask why? As compared to other Indo's or, is this your first time importing from Indo? Please DO keep us posted!

[Joedaddy77]

Now I'm wondering is it really bc he thinks he's unprofessional or is it bc the KC product is inconsistent? Does anyone have any experience dealing with KC directly? I ordered 4kg from them myself and got shipping info within 2 days and it will be here on Monday.

Very interesting, thanks. I have bought lots of KC leaf, over 2+ years, from trusted US vendors who stock it.. KC has been really a legendary Indo supplier, to many vendors and individuals as well. Experience wise? KC has got a long history, and track record.

So those are Facts: Proven history, long record of exporting quality batches to USA. Well known for Premium Maeng Da, in fact KC may have invented "PMD" right? haha.. So, we've got facts, and then.. some opinions. The opinions expressed by any 1 vendor, regard to business dealings with Mr. Raditya Setiawan, should not affect you and me. Radit has nothing to prove?

I mean, sounds like sour grapes.. And, not the first time we've heard that. These are deals involving 1000's of kilos and.. How much $ is KC making, per kilo? Generally, my opinion is that Indo's should get a little more.. Is the vendor "cheap prices" causing a problem when negotiating a large order? Who is getting squeezed on price, here?

I'll tell you one thing. Business in Indonesia.. it's all about having a personal trusted relationship.. It sounds like, things have gone side-ways for a long, time between these guys. Sad to hear!! One side of the story anyway.. Lots of water under that bridge.

I'd be confident, you'll receive excellent kratom from KC... did you order direct from Radit? May I ask why? As compared to other Indo's or, is this your first time importing from Indo? Please DO keep us posted!

It's my first time ordering from Indo. I thought the GP and GV are some of the best leaf I personally have ever had so far so I wanted to have plenty to see how the transaction went also. I also believe RVA is just not making enough money to keep dealing with him IMO. I think his product is definitely worth it though. I reached out to KC for a price list and he shot back with 2kg for 150, I asked how much for 4kg. He said 4x65=260, so I went with it. If it's as good as before I would like to know I can purchase from a reliable source straight from Indo. Perhaps I can save up a little more money and get an even better deal next time and more strains from him that I've not tried.

[Jfish030]

No hes legit the least professional one i deal with. Its kind of embarrassing this many years and hes so far behind.

[Joedaddy77]

No hes legit the least professional one i deal with. Its kind of embarrassing this many years and hes so far behind.

He did have his "partner" answer one of my emails and was fairly rude bc he couldn't speak English and he also didn't respond to my email for almost 2 days after I sent my money, but he did eventually. I've never dealt with any Indo supplier so I didn't know what to expect tho. Tbh, there was a moment where I thought maybe I wasn't gonna get anything at all after he didn't respond to my emails after receiving my transaction. I wish you guys could work it out bc I'd really like to be able to buy his product from you, but I get it. If he can't be in the up and up then you gotta do what's you gotta do.

[pray4peace4]

I've been after KC's PMD for years since I couldn't get it from RVA anymore. After reading this post I decided to try a direct order even though there's a risk of seizure. It was quite easy. They responded to my email within an hour, told me what they needed, & in 3 hours my order was placed. Now, 5 days later, I got a text from the carrier that my order just passed customs in the US & is being put on a plane to my city. So 6 to 7 days to get here. That's just as long as it takes to get in an order from RVA. BTW, that's not a slam on Jonathan. I had no idea it could get here this quickly.

[BallzDeep9]

I've been after KC's PMD for years since I couldn't get it from RVA anymore. After reading this post I decided to try a direct order even though there's a risk of seizure. It was quite easy.

Did you know ? For years, Botanical Bunny has been the main US vendor for Kratom Crumbs' PMD. Just realized that nobody had mentioned that .. BB Lot #12 = K.C. Not a knock against Herbal RVA, a business decision was made.. This post is title "Kratom Crumbs" and, so FYI - BB now gets their best PMD.. Look around MM.. Lots of reviews.. 1 of the most popular products the entire summer!!

I do think this Indo supplier K.C. is mainly, a Wholesaler, who prefers to ship 100's of kilos to Botanical Bunny. He is not going to under-cut his relationship with BB - I am sure you'll receive excellent product, however its what is currently in stock.. BB gets all his best batches.

[su9861]

So was the PMD really good? Outstanding?
would anyone care to bundle up 20 - 50 kg with me?
Thanks

[Seanjuan84]

What did you order?
How was it?
Would be nice to see a list of their strains

[pray4peace4]

@su9861 & sean... OMG... I just took 1.5g about 45 minutes ago. This IS the stuff I've been looking for for 2 years. No, this is not like BB's PMD. Maybe I just got an unusually potent batch, but I have a kilo of PMD from BB that is a complete & utter dud, for me anyway. There's no comparison with KC's that I just got. It's way darker than any other kratom I've had & it smells different. Geez, I'm almost incapacitated right now, but in a good way. 2 kilos is $154 counting processing fees. The more you buy, the cheaper it gets.

Ok, down to details. They have a 2 kilo minimum. You have to pay using one of their processors... they'll tell you when you ask for instructions. Be aware that they're in a substantially different time zone, so don't expect a return email right away.

[email protected].

[herbalhippie]

I wonder what his email inbox is going to look like later today?

[WhiteAngelica]

I'm not a big fan of the RVA guy. Sounds like he's passing the buck. I'm biased of course after a bad experience. I'd back KC, since their reputation is sterling.

Just sayin.'

[su9861]

I pulled the trigger & ordered 5 kgs -> 3 PMD, 1 white md ( best ), 1 green md ( best )
Yes the time is like 11 hours out sooo 12 PM here is like 11 PM tonite there
I will review when I receive & even have a few to sell? hope the hype is.....Thanks for everyone's post

[su9861]

I'm not a big fan of the RVA guy. Sounds like he's passing the buck. I'm biased of course after a bad experience. I'd back KC, since their reputation is sterling.

Just sayin.'

Ya Kno Johnathan was my go to domestic guy He gave me a fair price for multi kg orders. the quality was...ok shipping was fast
I am still re using the zip bags, one of the few that had crushed leaf UNTIL i called & was very put off...." If you dont order, I ( RVA ) am way TOO busy to chat. So Im kinda done with RVA oh well Just sayin

[mivanqua]

I'm not a big fan of the RVA guy. Sounds like he's passing the buck. I'm biased of course after a bad experience. I'd back KC, since their reputation is sterling.

Just sayin.'

Ya Kno Johnathan was my go to domestic guy He gave me a fair price for multi kg orders. the quality was...ok shipping was fast
I am still re using the zip bags, one of the few that had crushed leaf UNTIL i called & was very put off...." If you dont order, I ( RVA ) am way TOO busy to chat. So Im kinda done with RVA oh well Just sayin

You guys may be being a little hard on jfish. He literally IS herbal RVA, so maybe he really DIDN'T have time to chit-chat. If he did,you can be sure that not too long after, there would be a post about how someone's order took too long or something. It's a fine line and I dont think he was being out of line or anything. People get busy, and when I'm at work and someone calls me that I would like to talk to, I say "call me back after 3:30, amigo!" If they want to talk to me, they do that. If not, so it goes.

[herbalhippie]

I've never had anything but good communications with Jonathan whether I've called or whether I've emailed.

I heard his side of the story of what happened between him and kratom crumbs. It sounded like a very frustrating situation.

[instantKARMA]

I'm not a big fan of the RVA guy. Sounds like he's passing the buck. I'm biased of course after a bad experience. I'd back KC, since their reputation is sterling.

Just sayin.'

Ya Kno Johnathan was my go to domestic guy He gave me a fair price for multi kg orders. the quality was...ok shipping was fast
I am still re using the zip bags, one of the few that had crushed leaf UNTIL i called & was very put off...." If you dont order, I ( RVA ) am way TOO busy to chat. So Im kinda done with RVA oh well Just sayin

You guys may be being a little hard on jfish. He literally IS herbal RVA, so maybe he really DIDN'T have time to chit-chat. If he did,you can be sure that not too long after, there would be a post about how someone's order took too long or something. It's a fine line and I dont think he was being out of line or anything. People get busy, and when I'm at work and someone calls me that I would like to talk to, I say "call me back after 3:30, amigo!" If they want to talk to me, they do that. If not, so it goes.

Agreed! I've always had quick replies when contacting Jon for information. He's a super busy dude and
doesn't have a lot of time for chit chat, but he's always been prompt in handling my questions, albeit with
very short, to the point responses. He has a face book page but doesn't spend a lot of time there.....ya' gotta
remember, he's probably just about the biggest vendor in the U.S. considering the quantities he moves, it's got
to be difficult to keep up with everything personally!
A few of our other favorite vendors here on DoubleM handle emails in much the same manner. I wouldn't take
it personally if he didn't spend a lot of time on an email inquiry, but that's just me! There has to be a lot of
headaches involved with doing business on this scale!

[beathappening]

I've had nothing but good experiences with Jonathan and RVA. He always answers my emails even if I'm just asking for a recommendation, prices are unbeatable, fast shipping, quality is usually good or at least average, large selection, easy to make payment...professional all around. I cycle between vendors but I always go back to RVA, sometimes seems too good to be true tbh

[su9861]

I pulled the trigger & ordered 5 kgs -> 3 PMD, 1 white md ( best ), 1 green md ( best )
Yes the time is like 11 hours out sooo 12 PM here is like 11 PM tonite there
I will review when I receive & even have a few to sell? hope the hype is.....Thanks for everyone's post

As per my Sept 05 order.... Still no tracking or update on delivery date???
anyone have issues with indo shipments? or is it just me getting,,,jerked??
Thanks Much

[BallzDeep9]

As per my Sept 05 order.... Still no tracking or update on delivery date ???
anyone have issues with indo shipments? or is it just me getting,,,jerked ??

As I posted, this Indo supplier is mainly a Wholesaler. They deal in 100's of kilos, and not really set-up for small 5- kg orders. KC does not even have a website.. Yes, they should give you a tracking # someone is probably busy on Whatsapp or ??

Assuming they did receive your payment, and boxed up your 5- kg and shipped through POS Indonesia... delivery should be around 3+ weeks. Right now its only been 11 days? . Keep us posted.

[acejestyr15]

This post was made just earlier tn about the wildfires in Indo currently.... Check it out, and Good Luck!!!

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3512#p32603

[gumbyke1]

I pulled the trigger & ordered 5 kgs -> 3 PMD, 1 white md ( best ), 1 green md ( best )
Yes the time is like 11 hours out sooo 12 PM here is like 11 PM tonite there
I will review when I receive & even have a few to sell? hope the hype is.....Thanks for everyone's post

As per my Sept 05 order.... Still no tracking or update on delivery date???
anyone have issues with indo shipments? or is it just me getting,,,jerked??
Thanks Much

You should receive tracking by now, and at the very least an update on your order would be appropriate. Ballz is correct that most of the Indonesian suppliers are mostly concerned with bulk sales... there just isn't much profit in selling 1-10kg's at a time. If you are worried and need assistance, PM me.

[su9861]

ARRIVED - HAD TO PICK UP @ POST OFFICE Just opened the order kinda saran then packing tape & inside cardboard - 2 x 2 ish all wrapped in more packing tape....I wish I had a Packing tape outlet in Indo??? could smell at the counter when picking up...LOL
WOW reallly fresh kinda like the jungle was in the box & the PMD - quite bitter but ultra fine ground. totally disappeared in my coffee. right on the edge of a white NICE as if a premium green strain....was egg xactly what I was hoping for All weighed in @ 2.3 lbs & must be on the good guy list- 7 oz gold samples & 7 oz red samples All in all worth the waiting & drive to the PO
definitely some good kratom thank you very much Kratom Crumbs

[herbaldom]

The last time I used kratom crumbs, he sent us kratom we confirmed via lab testing was contaminated with Salmonella & Ecoli, he sent me a screenshot of the spreadsheet for that shipment too and that shipment that we didn't sell, we saw other vendors selling before our labs even came back. KC never made it right and we never worked with him again. KC sells whatever he can gets his hands on, he's just a sharpie king. He is not a good supplier on multiple fronts.

[beathappening]

lol what is a sharpie king?

[mivanqua]

lol what is a sharpie king?

Buys "beathappening" brand lemonade and scratches it out and puts "Kratom Crumbs" over your name and sells it as Kratom Crumbs brand lemonade perhaps? That's all I can think of.

[su9861]

The last time I used kratom crumbs, he sent us kratom we confirmed via lab testing was contaminated with Salmonella & Ecoli, he sent me a screenshot of the spreadsheet for that shipment too and that shipment that we didn't sell, we saw other vendors selling before our labs even came back. KC never made it right and we never worked with him again. KC sells whatever he can gets his hands on, he's just a sharpie king. He is not a good supplier on multiple fronts.

WOW thanks so much for the HEADS UP Andrew. I never knew?? I certainly wont be selling any of my shitty kratom to my customers, if I knew how I would post the pictures of all my kgs that are in the dumpster in the back, Please tell us when was your "LAST PURCHASE" from Crumbs?
And I am sure you would never divulge any really good INDO vendor?? Thanks again Great job on your Clean room

[BallzDeep9]

The last time I used kratom crumbs, he sent us kratom we confirmed via lab testing was contaminated ...

WOW thanks so much for the HEADS UP Andrew. I never knew ?? I certainly won't be selling any of my shitty kratom to my customers, if I knew how I would post the pictures of all my kgs that are in the dumpster in the back,

Yes indeed, I also would give a lot of weight to Herbaldom's comments .. A veteran experienced USA vendor and he has imported many TONS, from different Indo suppliers over the years... However, otoh I have purchased a lot of Crumbs' product from Botanical Bunny and never encountered any problem ... BB has/ and does/ import a big variety from Crumbs' .. I'll stand by my comments above, regarding my own experience consuming this leaf.

Besides BB, there are many many USA vendors who stock Kratom Crumb's product / This is a large Indo supplier. Herbal RVA just one example. Herbal RVA sold Crumbs' PMD and other products for... over 1 year? Never heard a single instance of "salmonella" , But, its possible they never got caught, who knows

su9861, are you saying... You tossed out this leaf, in the dumpster... only based on Herbaldom's comment ??

[su9861]

"su9861, are you saying... You tossed out this leaf, in the dumpster... only based on Herbaldom's comment ?? "

I think we should PM on this question I would not want anyone dumpster diving for free contaminated KC kratom

My comment was specifically for Herbaldom---> Andrew to reply.
I spent some of my time reading HIS previous posts / comments ( reddit ) & this current reply
about how immoral "some" vendors are to sell UNTESTED kratom to unsuspecting
customers - that would be so very dangerous ( as in salmonella poisoning & e coli )
Please set me straight on how tobacco & phama are LEGAL to sell death ( OTC )

Ok done venting Thanks so much

EDIT: This account has been suspended---> https://www.reddit.com/user/herbaldom

[mivanqua]

Well...it all depends on how much you want to pay big Brother to get allowances to sell death. If there was a "Big Kratom" out there and they had the resources to pay the government/pharma (same entity) a portion of the money they would lose on products that kratom would take the place of, then there would be none of this "kratom kills" bullshit and they would all be in bed together in a big ol' orgy fucking the American people. Fortunately for us, though, there is no "Big Kratom" because if there was, who knows WHAT would be mixed into kratom and quality would be SHIT. You win some, and you lose some I guess....

[pray4peace4]

I got my second order from KC right about the same time as su9861. There were a bunch of problems we each experienced. KC said the smoke was really bad in their area & they had to leave for a while. Then my package was rejected by the shipper & then "lost". Then they shipped out a replacement order via EMS & it went smoothly from there.

All 6 kilos were compressed into one giant cube of powder & wrapped in a huge amount of tape. I have no problem with that as a busted container would be a real disaster. The powder was compressed so tightly that it stayed intact after I peeled it open, & had to use an ice pick to break it up. The first time I ordered I only asked for PMD. They didn't ask me which one so I didn't know they had 4 different PMD's, all based on which forest they came from. So the 2nd order I asked for their most popular one from the Jongkong forest.

The JK PMD is incredibly strong & acts like a green strain. It takes about an hour to an hour & 15 minutes to kick in. In fact it takes so long I keep thinking my dose was a dud. And right when I start thinking that it kicks in. It has a very deep euphoria, strongest I've ever had from kratom, that lasts anywhere from one to 3 hours, moderate mood boost, moderate energy lasting up to 6 hours. The first batch of PMD is different. It takes about an hour to kick in & then unleashes its effect in a kind of surprising cascade where right when you think it can't possibly get any stronger, it does. It acts more like a red because after the 3 hours of powerful euphoria, the sedation kicks in & it's really difficult to keep the eyes open. I did ask them which kind of PMD they sent the first order & they don't know - just pulled something off the shelf & shipped it. So these 2 strains are mammothly powerful. They hit 100% of the time. They put all my other strains to shame. I really want to try their other strains now. They have about 16 different ones.

[Violalee]

I ordered from them before - good quality

[pray4peace4]

@Violalee... what are their reds like? Are they as strong as their greens?