I just started doubling my serving size

[Burninator]

And I’m kind of glad I did so far. I’ve taken 2g religiously for the last couple years, really taking that ‘less is more’ philosophy to heart and feeling like if I took more it would have diminishing returns. The problem—especially in the last 6 months or so—is that I progressively felt the need to redose sooner and sooner.

I went up to 4g a few days ago and feel no desire to redose for nearly three times longer. The math adds up to less GPD, though I wonder if it’s less of an overall receptor load or not since I’m taking twice as much at once.

Has anyone else experienced what I’m talking about?

[BallzDeep9]

The math adds up to less GPD,

that's the important thing, imo.. Its a balancing act, time will tell, how it works for your schedule w/ meals and sleep. I think, or hope, everyone agrees kratom works best on empty stomach so Morning is best & then... depends on exercise, activity, etc. For me a booster late afternoon, combo with caffeine (Tea, coffee, or Energy shot).. really feels good, right up to Dinner time. GPD is the bottom line... Those who wanna enjoy kratom more, during the day? Stop taking kratom at night!

Diet is so important with kratom. I've been feeling better, avoiding that sluggish WD feeling, by eating more protein less sugar/ and taking a daily Probiotic yogurt (Activa, Goodbelly, etc) Anyone who struggles with low energy, try priobiotics!

[Burninator]

I’ll have to give probiotics another shot. I started taking Lion’s Mane about a week ago and have definitely noticed improved energy/motivation.

[MikeEdoessomething]

And I’m kind of glad I did so far. I’ve taken 2g religiously for the last couple years, really taking that ‘less is more’ philosophy to heart and feeling like if I took more it would have diminishing returns. The problem—especially in the last 6 months or so—is that I progressively felt the need to redose sooner and sooner.

I went up to 4g a few days ago and feel no desire to redose for nearly three times longer. The math adds up to less GPD, though I wonder if it’s less of an overall receptor load or not since I’m taking twice as much at once.

Has anyone else experienced what I’m talking about?

I've actually done basically the same exact thing as you have in the past few months as well!!

I never dosed higher than 2g, but I would take 1-2 gram doses throughout the day (as needed). Usually no more than 4 doses, but some bad days may have been 6 doses between 1-2g each. Basically I was stacking my doses, and it worked great. Nearly 5 years doing it that way. I don't get any withdrawals or anything without kratom, just the chronic pain I use kratom for

Except within these past few months I've gone to 4 gram doses (roughly 3 times a day dosing now but not all at 4g). I always have my first dose of the day be 4 grams. The rest of my doses that day range from 2-4 grams. But generally speaking, most days I dose 3 times at 4 grams per dose. What have I noticed? The effects last longer, and of course the pain relief is better. But yeah my experience sounds exactly like yours: doubled doses from 2g to 4 grams and don't have to re-dose as often and my overall GPD has stayed the same, and the effects are stronger.

I won't go above 4 grams per dose though (unless I have more kidney stones, which when I do, I take whatever is needed to avoid going to the ER ). But I also dose depending on vendor (which sounds a bit strange). But, for example, TFH and Denette have the cleanest/balanced leaf for me, and I rarely get even the wobbles using TFH/Denette. Some vendors I will stick with my old 2g dose though.

[IndelibleDotInk]

Super good info.

Am still trying to find the sweet spot, and it varies for each batch and vendor, but get better effects in general with 3-4g instead of 2-3g, and have to fight the urge to do booster shots and keep my gpd as low as possible.

[MikeEdoessomething]

The math adds up to less GPD,

that's the important thing, imo.. Its a balancing act, time will tell, how it works for your schedule w/ meals and sleep. I think, or hope, everyone agrees kratom works best on empty stomach so Morning is best & then... depends on exercise, activity, etc. For me a booster late afternoon, combo with caffeine (Tea, coffee, or Energy shot).. really feels good, right up to Dinner time. GPD is the bottom line... Those who wanna enjoy kratom more, during the day? Stop taking kratom at night!

Diet is so important with kratom. I've been feeling better, avoiding that sluggish WD feeling, by eating more protein less sugar/ and taking a daily Probiotic yogurt (Activa, Goodbelly, etc) Anyone who struggles with low energy, try priobiotics!

I find Kratom works the best when I am at work (I'm a server). Especially the mood boost and energy and social aspects it can help with. For me, when I am moving around non-stop at work, a (very) level teaspoon dose hits me better than almost any dose at home. I wonder why that is or if that is common? But at work, my doses give me better energy, mood lift, and excellent pain relief. It is strange because I do not drink enough water at work!! It's non-stop so busy and I never drink as much water as I do when I am at home. But def agree that diet, sleep and exercise all play roles in how kratoms works for someone.

Oh and I struggle big time with energy (have chronic fatigue syndrome and mitochrondria myopathy). What probiotics do you suggest for someone new to probiotics? I see so many options at stores, is it better to take in food or are there any supplements pills that are good (reputable)? I'd rather take in capsule form but I'll try any option. They never taught us about gut health in schools I've been interested in gut health for a while, and need to get more serious about treating my body/gut better.

[the_spookiest]

glad it is working out for you by doubling! really a crazy leaf to be able to sorta switch gears on us mere mortals when we play the game right. When I moved from extract+leaf to just leaf, i started relying on my kratom scoop spoon for measure. With the extract I was using on top of a scoop or two of leaf, i figured I was at about 7g worth of leaf. So, assuming 2g per level scoop, I assumed I was getting 6g per serving.

Turns out, the people who say 'use a scale' really say it for a reason. I was only using about 4.5g insted of the 6 or 7 i assumed. To me, that was a big deal that my tolerance was not so bad. Now, I use between 5 and 6, weighed, and really can feel the difference between that 5 and 6 range. crazy. The other night I only took 3.5 of TFH Wild Red Sumpur and had an incredible burn...way different feeling...stronger, maybe. Anyway, I have accepted that in order to find the range of uses different batches and dose sizes can bring, I must play with variables -- which risks the ever-valuable burn.

Anyway just agreeing with the fact that an increase or decrease of 2g or less is definitely something that is discernible and has a ton of different properties. Buy a scale!!!

[Burninator]

glad it is working out for you by doubling! really a crazy leaf to be able to sorta switch gears on us mere mortals when we play the game right. When I moved from extract+leaf to just leaf, i started relying on my kratom scoop spoon for measure. With the extract I was using on top of a scoop or two of leaf, i figured I was at about 7g worth of leaf. So, assuming 2g per level scoop, I assumed I was getting 6g per serving.

Turns out, the people who say 'use a scale' really say it for a reason. I was only using about 4.5g insted of the 6 or 7 i assumed. To me, that was a big deal that my tolerance was not so bad. Now, I use between 5 and 6, weighed, and really can feel the difference between that 5 and 6 range. crazy. The other night I only took 3.5 of TFH Wild Red Sumpur and had an incredible burn...way different feeling...stronger, maybe. Anyway, I have accepted that in order to find the range of uses different batches and dose sizes can bring, I must play with variables -- which risks the ever-valuable burn.

Anyway just agreeing with the fact that an increase or decrease of 2g or less is definitely something that is discernible and has a ton of different properties. Buy a scale!!!

Oh man, for the first two years I never used a scale either. I got really good at eyeballing what the teaspoon looked like so I felt like I was within .2 grams consistency with each dose. Hadn’t ever really taken strain specific density into consideration until I started using a scale though.

Anyways, I was convinced I was taking at least 3-4 grams a dose but it turned out I was closer to 1.5-2 grams. That was a pretty nice feeling actually haha.

Now I have a love/hate relationship with my scale. I’ve become so anal retentive about taking the exact same amount every dose that it started stressing me out...and seriously limiting my capacity for experimentation. I can’t blame the scale for that one though. I’m just way too much a creature of habit lol.

[Loveandpeace]

...Now I have a love/hate relationship with my scale. I’ve become so anal retentive about taking the exact same amount every dose that it started stressing me out...and seriously limiting my capacity for experimentation. I can’t blame the scale for that one though. I’m just way too much a creature of habit lol....

I have a similar tale. Knowing my previous time with all past medicines, I chose to get the scale pretty quick in my journey here. Less than a year in. Still need the more precise one, it seems at this point. Anyway, after buggin out on reddit some long ass night, I couldn't understand why posts would say "effects felt as low as .500 mg"...huh?!?...then I thought of all the weed I have bought/smoked measured in grams and so the spiral goes. I'm sure others have done it too.

The scale is empowering to those who have ever wondered about real physical consumption of matter, it is neat in that way.

Also, I'm finding great joy in experimenting other ways with this multi faceted, bizarre ass plant. The strain mixing and synergy and lemon juice and on and on.

Did I mention I'm a newbie?


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[brave777]

I find it odd people think less is more. 4-6 grams and i also find i re dose only once a day. Also it last longer with 4+ grams compare to 2 grams, but like ya'll said, you could do 4 serving a day with 2 grams or two servings a day with 4 grams. sure some bad days you can go 6 grams then 4 grams later. it always works on the bad days, but other days just drop it down to 2 grams or 3 grams when you feeling good. Just keep one word in mind. Balance. Balance in a way you use it only when you need it, not to chase dragons and in return it will bless you. I been under 10 grams for a long time, since 2014? And i been some days 4 grams per day, some days 6 and half the days 10 grams per day. I would not exceed 10 grams a day or you will start running into trouble. From my experience 10 grams is more then enough. if you are on other craxy doc pills, highly advice to not use kratom so you dont give it bad name. i see so many use it as alternative and over do to cover their doc pills, i rather just them quit doc pills somehow and then move on to mothers earths fresh nature leafs. or what ever color mother nature created.

[D_B_C]

The math adds up to less GPD,

that's the important thing, imo.. Its a balancing act, time will tell, how it works for your schedule w/ meals and sleep. I think, or hope, everyone agrees kratom works best on empty stomach so Morning is best & then... depends on exercise, activity, etc. For me a booster late afternoon, combo with caffeine (Tea, coffee, or Energy shot).. really feels good, right up to Dinner time. GPD is the bottom line... Those who wanna enjoy kratom more, during the day? Stop taking kratom at night!

Diet is so important with kratom. I've been feeling better, avoiding that sluggish WD feeling, by eating more protein less sugar/ and taking a daily Probiotic yogurt (Activa, Goodbelly, etc) Anyone who struggles with low energy, try priobiotics!

I find Kratom works the best when I am at work (I'm a server). Especially the mood boost and energy and social aspects it can help with. For me, when I am moving around non-stop at work, a (very) level teaspoon dose hits me better than almost any dose at home. I wonder why that is or if that is common? But at work, my doses give me better energy, mood lift, and excellent pain relief. It is strange because I do not drink enough water at work!! It's non-stop so busy and I never drink as much water as I do when I am at home. But def agree that diet, sleep and exercise all play roles in how kratoms works for someone.

Oh and I struggle big time with energy (have chronic fatigue syndrome and mitochrondria myopathy). What probiotics do you suggest for someone new to probiotics? I see so many options at stores, is it better to take in food or are there any supplements pills that are good (reputable)? I'd rather take in capsule form but I'll try any option. They never taught us about gut health in schools I've been interested in gut health for a while, and need to get more serious about treating my body/gut better.

Man, it’s funny you mention the work thing. I work a 21/21 rotation, my burns are so much better at work! I just wrote it off to routine, I wake, eat, sleep, dose on a strict routine while at work. At home I get a bit lazy, eat like shit most days, and my burns suck more days than not. Weird.

[the_spookiest]

I would not exceed 10 grams a day or you will start running into trouble.

everyones mileage may vary thats a pretty blanket statement that I know a lot of users would disagree with. Rather, trouble comes from continuously increasing intake quantities or frequency. That thread earlier about the Lowest Effective Dose showcased how personal history and chemistry can greatly alter the absorbtion process and how the binding works in the brain. My GPD is not as low as I would rather it be...ideally it would be 3.5g taken 4x a day. Thats still over 10. I wouldnt be in trouble then, and am not now despite my 20 GPD tolerance.

[BallzDeep9]

What probiotics do you suggest for someone new to probiotics? I see so many options at stores, is it better to take in food or are there any supplements pills that are good (reputable)? I'd rather take in capsule form but I'll try any option. They never taught us about gut health in schools I've been interested in gut health for a while, and need to get more serious about treating my body/gut better.

Hi MikeE I never got into probiotics either, until this year... def some strains which work better than others. I suspect many dry capsule strains don't work as good.? You'd have to read and research. Goodbelly definitely is the right stuff - https://goodbelly.com/ - find a store in your area. (They also make a juice product,.) It's sold at Kroger stores, and probably Publix? Wegmans? .. another new one, is the Activia probiotic small bottles. Just finished a 6-pack of that.. Now I see Dannon has one also. Main effect I notice, is waking up fresh in morning the next day, with some good energy!!

[Loveandpeace]

I would not exceed 10 grams a day or you will start running into trouble.

everyones mileage may vary thats a pretty blanket statement that I know a lot of users would disagree with. Rather, trouble comes from continuously increasing intake quantities or frequency. That thread earlier about the Lowest Effective Dose showcased how personal history and chemistry can greatly alter the absorbtion process and how the binding works in the brain. My GPD is not as low as I would rather it be...ideally it would be 3.5g taken 4x a day. Thats still over 10. I wouldnt be in trouble then, and am not now despite my 20 GPD tolerance.

This is what I have been saying...the forgiveness provided by the Kratom is astounding!! It sounds stupid (I know) but it is such a unique lil bundle o alks with that ceiling effect and other anti abuse tricks, much more study needed (a doy)

....just about to digress...

I simply love this leafs ability to be so much to so many...and those many are pretty cool at that

[MikeEdoessomething]

Man, its funny you mention the work thing. I work a 21/21 rotation, my burns are so much better at work! I just wrote it off to routine, I wake, eat, sleep, dose on a strict routine while at work. At home I get a bit lazy, eat like shit most days, and my burns suck more days than not. Weird.

21/21 rotation I thought my 14 hour doubles were hard. What do you do for work, if I may ask and it's not too personal?

But yeah, burns almost always hit great at work and much better then when I am at home. I also noticed kratom works great during and after exercise, well for me at least! Wonder if moving around makes a difference (like if there is a scientific reason behind it working better while at work). I'm just happy there is something that helps for work and exercise

[MikeEdoessomething]

What probiotics do you suggest for someone new to probiotics? I see so many options at stores, is it better to take in food or are there any supplements pills that are good (reputable)? I'd rather take in capsule form but I'll try any option. They never taught us about gut health in schools I've been interested in gut health for a while, and need to get more serious about treating my body/gut better.

Hi MikeE I never got into probiotics either, until this year... def some strains which work better than others. I suspect many dry capsule strains don't work as good.? You'd have to read and research. Goodbelly definitely is the right stuff - https://goodbelly.com/ - find a store in your area. (They also make a juice product,.) It's sold at Kroger stores, and probably Publix? Wegmans? .. another new one, is the Activia probiotic small bottles. Just finished a 6-pack of that.. Now I see Dannon has one also. Main effect I notice, is waking up fresh in morning the next day, with some good energy!!

Appreciate the info and the link! I'm gonna pick up and try goodberry and the activia bottles next time I go to the store... Starting the day refreshed and with energy sounds amazing, and been so long I have trouble remembering what that feels like! The value of the simple and small things in life

Thanks again!

[brave777]

Man, its funny you mention the work thing. I work a 21/21 rotation, my burns are so much better at work! I just wrote it off to routine, I wake, eat, sleep, dose on a strict routine while at work. At home I get a bit lazy, eat like shit most days, and my burns suck more days than not. Weird.

21/21 rotation I thought my 14 hour doubles were hard. What do you do for work, if I may ask and it's not too personal?

But yeah, burns almost always hit great at work and much better then when I am at home. I also noticed kratom works great during and after exercise, well for me at least! Wonder if moving around makes a difference (like if there is a scientific reason behind it working better while at work). I'm just happy there is something that helps for work and exercise

Mike, for sure movement plays a big roll!!! i can tell i am more lazy on my days off when i sit here and type on doubleM and find prime amazon day deals all day, makes me lazy and sleepy. I even did a test today, did 3 gold TFH and 2 gram green True Malay, just wanted to see how much the 3 gold will over power the 2g green. You know, it worked like a creeper, even thought i woke up and was refreshed it zapped me back into bed, the best and the most sleep ever! but again??? man iam not making that mistake again. i know it was 5g total but from now on it will be 50% 50% or 75% more green then red. Unless you need serious awesome sleep? Any moment and busy thinking at work will make time more fun over sitting behind PC that will make you eat more and be more lazy. I noticed something simple as 20 push ups zaps me out of lazy state. You just have to do it, it works, if cant do 20 push ups, try 10. 10 should work too. Darn even 20 jumping jacks works. I think the reason kratom works much better with body movements is be you get better blood flow, i mean you could take some herbs or aspirin or ACV or vitamin c, i noticed it kicks in harder and stronger but be wary it might put you to sleep if empty stomach. Or avoid all that and do some pushups or jumping jacks, it works well.

[brave777]

I would not exceed 10 grams a day or you will start running into trouble.

everyones mileage may vary thats a pretty blanket statement that I know a lot of users would disagree with. Rather, trouble comes from continuously increasing intake quantities or frequency. That thread earlier about the Lowest Effective Dose showcased how personal history and chemistry can greatly alter the absorbtion process and how the binding works in the brain. My GPD is not as low as I would rather it be...ideally it would be 3.5g taken 4x a day. Thats still over 10. I wouldnt be in trouble then, and am not now despite my 20 GPD tolerance.

This is what I have been saying...the forgiveness provided by the Kratom is astounding!! It sounds stupid (I know) but it is such a unique lil bundle o alks with that ceiling effect and other anti abuse tricks, much more study needed (a doy)

....just about to digress...

I simply love this leafs ability to be so much to so many...and those many are pretty cool at that

Yeah i did 20 grams before for little bit during my learning days, it is in fact very forgiving, i had no trouble dropping it down to 6 grams. I was saying long term over 10 grams it can cause issue? i might be wrong because it needs more research but just to be on save side i set a bar at 10 grams per day not more. But to each their own, as long as you know what your doing, even if you dont, they will learn.

[IndelibleDotInk]

What probiotics do you suggest for someone new to probiotics? I see so many options at stores, is it better to take in food or are there any supplements pills that are good (reputable)? I'd rather take in capsule form but I'll try any option. They never taught us about gut health in schools I've been interested in gut health for a while, and need to get more serious about treating my body/gut better.

Hi MikeE I never got into probiotics either, until this year... def some strains which work better than others. I suspect many dry capsule strains don't work as good.? You'd have to read and research. Goodbelly definitely is the right stuff - https://goodbelly.com/ - find a store in your area. (They also make a juice product,.) It's sold at Kroger stores, and probably Publix? Wegmans? .. another new one, is the Activia probiotic small bottles. Just finished a 6-pack of that.. Now I see Dannon has one also. Main effect I notice, is waking up fresh in morning the next day, with some good energy!!

Activia the yogurt has high sugar, but this Goodbelly shots have low carbs, there is a copoun for free trial.

Mahalo Ballz

[Loveandpeace]

...Mahalo Ballz...

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