Barely feeling it anymore, How to get it back?

[anonanon]

TL;DR at bottom

Hey Everyone,

Been lurking for a bit, appreciate all the info but finally had my own question. I've been taking kratom for a few years now with varied effects. Sometimes its worked great others not so much, even if that same batch previously worked well. Until a few months ago I only took kratom 3x a week at 4g dose absolute max, often less. The past few months due to stress, anxiety, depression and a need to be productive I started taking kratom almost every day, starting at 2g and working up to 6.5g doses. Upping my dosage as the effects lessened, sometimes this worked sometimes it didnt. Even when at 2.5g there was a week sometimes that just didnt work well. Now I have set the limit to 6g and that is barely working. I have tried going back down to 2 as i've seen sometimes that works but it has not for me sadly. It seems that no matter the dose the magic is gone, I can still feel that background feeling but no real energy or mood boost which is what I need. The entire time I have been taking tolerance reducers such as: magnesium glycinate 400mg every night, curcumin most nights, agmatine and PEA a few nights a week. I have tried lots of combinations of kratom and tolerance reducers with no consistent success. I try to take 1-2 days off every now and then but that doesent seem to make a difference anymore. I took 10 days off a month ago and it mightve helped for a day or two but I dont think so. The past few months where I have been dosing every day have all been with lucky herbals, I am currently shopping for some new kratom as maybe that will help. Any advice on how to get even some of those original feelings back would be great. I realize I probably just have a good tolerance but I can't really afford to take the time off right now, on my off days I dont have any WD symptoms thankfully. Sorry for the long post, thank you for reading.

TL;DR: Started dosing every day, magic gone even with different doses, tolerance reducers and some breaks. How to fix?

[Cuttlefish]

People are going to give you different answers. Some are going to say you’re abusing it, some will say half your dose for a week and so on.

My experience is this: for one thing, certain drugs can lose their magic despite tolerance going down. Things like MdMA, but I always had it in my head It’s different for opiates or kratom. Maybe some people can lose the “magic” any substance despite lowering tolerance. I have def lost the “magic” with alcohol, even when I’ve taken a month off kratom, or 6 months off alcohol, it doesn’t make me euphoric, just impaired.

My experience is when I hit a wall not getting effects, I took about 5 weeks off and had good effects. For like 3 months id only eat twice a week, and great burns all around, and without rambling too much, the holidays are very rough for me due to the past and I started eating it every day again in december 2020, until now, and I’m starting to hit a wall again. I also took agmatine the entire 5 weeks I was off kratom, and then when I was intermittently using, I’d use agmatine on the off days.

I am an ex-addict of harder opiates, so my brain is already pre-disposed to kratom not being enough. If I get a mood boost and am able to function like a normal human, I feel like kratom is doing it’s job. I am a 27 male who has used kratom about 4 years, majority of which has been daily, I’d say my average grams per day is like 10g. Right now it’s at 14 g. I feel paragraphs like this are important.

Last thing, do you know what I mean by the honeymoon phase? It will never be as good as it was at first, no matter how much time you take off.

Good luck

[TacomaGuy]

TL;DR at bottom

Hey Everyone,

Been lurking for a bit, appreciate all the info but finally had my own question. I've been taking kratom for a few years now with varied effects. Sometimes its worked great others not so much, even if that same batch previously worked well. Until a few months ago I only took kratom 3x a week at 4g dose absolute max, often less. The past few months due to stress, anxiety, depression and a need to be productive I started taking kratom almost every day, starting at 2g and working up to 6.5g doses. Upping my dosage as the effects lessened, sometimes this worked sometimes it didnt. Even when at 2.5g there was a week sometimes that just didnt work well. Now I have set the limit to 6g and that is barely working. I have tried going back down to 2 as i've seen sometimes that works but it has not for me sadly. It seems that no matter the dose the magic is gone, I can still feel that background feeling but no real energy or mood boost which is what I need. The entire time I have been taking tolerance reducers such as: magnesium glycinate 400mg every night, curcumin most nights, agmatine and PEA a few nights a week. I have tried lots of combinations of kratom and tolerance reducers with no consistent success. I try to take 1-2 days off every now and then but that doesent seem to make a difference anymore. I took 10 days off a month ago and it mightve helped for a day or two but I dont think so. The past few months where I have been dosing every day have all been with lucky herbals, I am currently shopping for some new kratom as maybe that will help. Any advice on how to get even some of those original feelings back would be great. I realize I probably just have a good tolerance but I can't really afford to take the time off right now, on my off days I dont have any WD symptoms thankfully. Sorry for the long post, thank you for reading.

TL;DR: Started dosing every day, magic gone even with different doses, tolerance reducers and some breaks. How to fix?

Take less than your normal dose by 25%. I know it sounds counterintuitive but you will get better results than you currently are. Less is more with kratom. If you go the intuitive route and increase your dose you're going to get worse and worse results. Kratom has a sweet spot.

[FartBlaster]

This happened to me also. If your taking it for something like mood and depression , that first 6 months to a year it works amazing for this. Unfortunately after that it never got back to working at that level, I quit for 10 days to 2 weeks and had good effects for 2 days but not as big an impact as I expected. I think if it's anything other than pain management you might be better off taking it to get thru a rough time or get off hard opiates but after about 2 years I'm starting to wonder if it is more pro than con. Does the current benefit outweigh an addiction with WD symptoms? I cut from 5g to 3 and space the dose out 4-6 hours, this helped more than anything else. First burns on new strains always hit like way better but this is a one burn deal for me so save that for the right time. It's not your vendor in most cases that's just how it is.

[MycatTimmy]

You said that you’ve been taking PEA ? Lots of people reported losing the mood boosting effects when they started on PEA.

[IndelibleDotInk]

There're several diff chemicals called PEA too, make sure you're using the correct one.

[YogKratomSoth]

If I utilize one vendor exclusively for an extended amount of time, variety from different vendors can help. Some of the supplements could be be impacting your burns negatively. For a quick reset try cutting out all supplements (except for the magnesium) while tapering down to a level that causes none or only minor discomfort for 3 to 5 days, then abstain for as long as you can (12hrs, 24hrs, 48hrs..), burn a different vendors leaf. Preferably a batch that’s had good reviews here and on mewe If that doesn’t work a taper to a zero followed by an extended time off may be required. Everyone’s different but once I started to supplement daily, I found that I require an extended break every 6 months (minimum), taking at least a month off to keep Kratom very effective. Hope you find a solution that works for you.