Kratom Tolerance Reduction Stack

[Kryptongame]

Any recommendations on my stack?
Timing: Take around bed, few hours after last kratom dose of day

Agmatine 1.5g
Palmitoylethanolamide 200-400mg
Cats Claw 2000mg
Magnesium Bisglycinate 400mg
DLPA 1000mg

Thoughts on DLPA? I have heard of it and want to know dosage and if it's worth it. I have it coming so will add it.

Is anything too much? Should I increase or decrease anything. Do you even think itll work? I plan to wait 10-12 hours before using next kratom dose.

I need about 3g to feel anything and take that 2-3x per day.

THANKS!

[BallzDeep9]

Any recommendations on my stack?
Timing: Take around bed, few hours after last kratom dose of day

Correct. Take your Tolerance regulators, about an hour before bedtime. Do Not use kratom at night!! That would defeat the purpose... seems obvious, but there's so much confusion and mis-information out there.

Your goal = to up regulate your system/ mµ opioid receptors in your body. This does not happen in 1 day!! Do a 5-day cycle... imo Agmatine Sulfate is #1 on your List. Some of the others you listed, are not well studied. I'd say #2 would be Black Seed Oil, its powerful, but some can't stand the taste or effect on stomach. Mag Glycinate you listed, is good, but Mag L-Threonate is better, more expensive, but rather than spending $ on unproven DLPA, or iffy Cats Claw, get L-Threonate it's wonderful for sleep.

Trouble sleeping? Take a sleep-aid, or a combo: Melatonin, Valerian. Ibuprofen, Gabapentin. Any big supermarket has a Vitamin section with "sleep supplements".

Over the 5-day cycle, slowly taper down your Grams Per Day / daily total of kratom. You'll soon notice stronger effects, from less kratom... Your morning dose, will drop from 3g down to 2g. Later doses could be even less. Lowest Effective Dose!

Good luck, I'm on a taper myself using Aeropress Tea - I never thought Tea alone, could work. Getting nice effects now, from only 2g of "weak" Tea!!

[Kryptongame]

Took 400mg Palmitoyl.
1.5G agmatine
1.5G cats claw
400mg magnesium
Last night before bed and today 3 grams hit super good!
I will update when I try the DLPA

I was also perfectly fine this morning without dosing where usually I can’t wait to take my kratom. I definitely feel something in the stack almost induce a slight opiate withdrawal possibly why it works for tolerance reduction so quickly.

[Cuttlefish]

The DlPa made me uncomfortable when I took it in conjunction with kratom. It works wonders for when I am taking a full on tolerance break though.

Cats claw never did much for me.

Everyone’s body is different, but one dose of agmatine blocks kratoms desirable effects for at least 24 hours for me. I never take agmatine when I want to to take kratom the next day.

Dlpa, black seed oil, and agmatine (and thc) is a good combo for taking a full week off kratom for me personally. I stop the agmatine like 48 hours before I want to go back.

My advice would be to only take these things when taking a full break from kratom. My reasoning is they will work better than if you are already taking them in conjunction with kratom, and in my experience these substances don’t make nearly as much of a difference as lowering/tapering (like cut your dose in half for a whole week if you can’t quit fully) but they do help some.

I know many people on here say taking it before bed helps. To me, if I took all these things, my morning kratom dose would do very little

I think black seed oil is the one I’d pick if I could only pick one.

[Cuttlefish]

Any recommendations on my stack?
Timing: Take around bed, few hours after last kratom dose of day

Correct. Take your Tolerance regulators, about an hour before bedtime. Do Not use kratom at night!! That would defeat the purpose... seems obvious, but there's so much confusion and mis-information out there.

Your goal = to up regulate your system/ mµ opioid receptors in your body. This does not happen in 1 day!! Do a 5-day cycle... imo Agmatine Sulfate is #1 on your List. Some of the others you listed, are not well studied. I'd say #2 would be Black Seed Oil, its powerful, but some can't stand the taste or effect on stomach. Mag Glycinate you listed, is good, but Mag L-Threonate is better, more expensive, but rather than spending $ on unproven DLPA, or iffy Cats Claw, get L-Threonate it's wonderful for sleep.

Trouble sleeping? Take a sleep-aid, or a combo: Melatonin, Valerian. Ibuprofen, Gabapentin. Any big supermarket has a Vitamin section with "sleep supplements".

Over the 5-day cycle, slowly taper down your Grams Per Day / daily total of kratom. You'll soon notice stronger effects, from less kratom... Your morning dose, will drop from 3g down to 2g. Later doses could be even less. Lowest Effective Dose!

Good luck, I'm on a taper myself using Aeropress Tea - I never thought Tea alone, could work. Getting nice effects now, from only 2g of "weak" Tea!!

Why do you say dlpa is unproven? Isn’t it as proven as agmatine, or all the other stuff were talking about? I was given dlpa in a medical detox off harder opiates.

[Kryptongame]

Any recommendations on my stack?
Timing: Take around bed, few hours after last kratom dose of day

Correct. Take your Tolerance regulators, about an hour before bedtime. Do Not use kratom at night!! That would defeat the purpose... seems obvious, but there's so much confusion and mis-information out there.

Your goal = to up regulate your system/ mµ opioid receptors in your body. This does not happen in 1 day!! Do a 5-day cycle... imo Agmatine Sulfate is #1 on your List. Some of the others you listed, are not well studied. I'd say #2 would be Black Seed Oil, its powerful, but some can't stand the taste or effect on stomach. Mag Glycinate you listed, is good, but Mag L-Threonate is better, more expensive, but rather than spending $ on unproven DLPA, or iffy Cats Claw, get L-Threonate it's wonderful for sleep.

Trouble sleeping? Take a sleep-aid, or a combo: Melatonin, Valerian. Ibuprofen, Gabapentin. Any big supermarket has a Vitamin section with "sleep supplements".

Over the 5-day cycle, slowly taper down your Grams Per Day / daily total of kratom. You'll soon notice stronger effects, from less kratom... Your morning dose, will drop from 3g down to 2g. Later doses could be even less. Lowest Effective Dose!

Good luck, I'm on a taper myself using Aeropress Tea - I never thought Tea alone, could work. Getting nice effects now, from only 2g of "weak" Tea!!

Why do you say dlpa is unproven? Isn’t it as proven as agmatine, or all the other stuff were talking about? I was given dlpa in a medical detox off harder opiates.

Think my stack and dlpa would help speed up a 2-3 day no kratom break??

[Cuttlefish]

Yes, they will help speed it up, but the most important thing is taking the break itself.

I don’t know your exact situation, but another advice I would give is there is no dragon to chase. If you are hoping this will send you back to how it was when you first took kratom, even after full month breaks i have never gotten back. It will work better than before the break, but honeymoons don’t come back.

I have also found when I start up again after a break, the “magic” goes away quicker each time of daily dosing. I fear one day kratom may stop working fully for me personally. As in I’ll take a month break, eat it, and still barely feelit

[Hashtag-acid]

Yes, they will help speed it up, but the most important thing is taking the break itself.

I don’t know your exact situation, but another advice I would give is there is no dragon to chase. If you are hoping this will send you back to how it was when you first took kratom, even after full month breaks i have never gotten back. It will work better than before the break, but honeymoons don’t come back.

I have also found when I start up again after a break, the “magic” goes away quicker each time of daily dosing. I fear one day kratom may stop working fully for me personally. As in I’ll take a month break, eat it, and still barely feelit

I NEED to take a hard taper. I’ve used daily for just over 3 years. I need a super high dose to feel anything. The hardest part is my anxiety, I started kratom for my anxiety. I can handle the physical withdrawal crap, that’s nothing. The mental game is where I die.

[Kryptongame]

Yes, they will help speed it up, but the most important thing is taking the break itself.

I don’t know your exact situation, but another advice I would give is there is no dragon to chase. If you are hoping this will send you back to how it was when you first took kratom, even after full month breaks i have never gotten back. It will work better than before the break, but honeymoons don’t come back.

I have also found when I start up again after a break, the “magic” goes away quicker each time of daily dosing. I fear one day kratom may stop working fully for me personally. As in I’ll take a month break, eat it, and still barely feelit

I’ve been using for about 3 years and had a total of maybe 7 months off those 3 years.

Still never go above 10g a day and it gets be by WAY better than my baseline self/mood ever was.
This is first time I’ve ever even taken anything to attenuate tolerance

[Mossy7]

DLPA is an effective supplement but I wouldn’t take at night before bed. It’s too stimulating. The other supplements you mentioned are fine at night.

[Luvndpeace]

Yes, they will help speed it up, but the most important thing is taking the break itself.

I don’t know your exact situation, but another advice I would give is there is no dragon to chase. If you are hoping this will send you back to how it was when you first took kratom, even after full month breaks i have never gotten back. It will work better than before the break, but honeymoons don’t come back.

I have also found when I start up again after a break, the “magic” goes away quicker each time of daily dosing. I fear one day kratom may stop working fully for me personally. As in I’ll take a month break, eat it, and still barely feelit

I NEED to take a hard taper. I’ve used daily for just over 3 years. I need a super high dose to feel anything. The hardest part is my anxiety, I started kratom for my anxiety. I can handle the physical withdrawal crap, that’s nothing. The mental game is where I die.

I understand what you’re going through. I suffer from severe debilitating anxiety and agoraphobia at my worst, along with some other things.

I usually do a slow taper. Like decrease daily intake by a gram or 0.5 a day. Honestly I get so worked up, and my burns ends up better during the taper than before the taper.

L-theanine, particularly in form of suntheanine is a supplement I just started from others advice , lower dose (100) in the morning and higher at night for sleep (some take 200-300) but make sure it’s safe for you to take. Jarrow is the brand I got.

Stay positive you can do it !