4 Common Kratom Scams - have you encountered any?

[Lokey]

I've had rough few days. Can I get a heads up on the fent laced vendor so I can avoid them? Asking for a friend. Who totally is not into that sort of thing.

There are no vendors doing this. Sorry, haha.

I would really like to know who the vendor is that's spoken of misrepresenting their product and "spiking" it with extract mentioned earlier in this thread, though.. If anyone sees this and is aware of said vendor's identity, I would greatly appreciate a PM. I don't want to get into extract and my funds are very limited so it'd be rough to spend my "kratom allowance" on a vendor whose stuff would mess up my tolerance.

Same here please!

[Supersonic75]

Yeah, I’m fairly sure I know who the vendor in question is, though will keep it to myself for now. But there were a couple of subtle red flags with a new vendor and it had an odd feel to it. And I too was wondering about the extract thing, because sometimes other vendors Kratom felt weak if I took it on the heels of this one, and I knew there was nothing weak about it. If that all makes sense.

[IndelibleDotInk]

Any update?

[Supersonic75]

Not from me. Curious, though…….

[Fallguy]

So if a vendor doesn't post on here their denial then it could be them? Now everybody's A suspect!

[Maengda12]

I Would definitely like to know what vendor and see proof!!

[KCobbBMore]

Yeah, I’m fairly sure I know who the vendor in question is, though will keep it to myself for now. But there were a couple of subtle red flags with a new vendor and it had an odd feel to it. And I too was wondering about the extract thing, because sometimes other vendors Kratom felt weak if I took it on the heels of this one, and I knew there was nothing weak about it. If that all makes sense.

Yes. I did notice that you reviewed it.

[BallzDeep9]

... But there were a couple of subtle red flags with a new vendor and it had an odd feel to it. And I too was wondering about the extract thing,..

Logic, and dollars and sense... would say no vendor could "spike" their kratom with your average full-spectrum Extract, without doubling or 3X the price ?? For cost of Labor and materials.

Look at some of the Enhanced "strains" sold by known, quality vendors. . Liza's for example: Liza's will add Extract, to any "strains" for a custom - Enhanced Blend. - It's a nice offer, I'm surprised more vendors don't try this... We know Liza's is a legit quality vendor! She offers a big variety, many Indo sources, @ reasonable prices overall. But the Enhanced add-on... ain't cheap. Pick any strain. Wild Green Hulu, Quarter Kg = $35 - but you wanna add Extract ? Price jumps to $145. Quadruple the cost!!

Legal Herb Shop is the #1 Online vendor for all Retail products - All the "shots" and extracts like OPMS, Mit-45, Trainwreck, on and on. LHS stocks ALL of this stuff, and sells online for a few bucks cheaper than Retail ... Their regular Kratom (several strains) price 224 grams $40. On the expensive side, I'd suppose they source from a Bulk Wholesale distributor ? Now - check out their House brand extracts - Bulk Extract 20X powder, 112 grams $92. // Ultra Enhanced White Borneo, 112 grams $164. (Also UE Green, UE Red, same price.) // Ultra Enhanced UEI powder = 80 grams $230.

Right. ANY and all, Extract is very expensive... Cost Prohibitive, as they say. - So, what vendor, would or could, sell a "spiked" Plain Leaf powder kratom, without going 4X the price ?? The numbers just don't work. Back to Liza's - one of the FEW vendors who even TRY to offer "Enhanced" kratom, and it's still adds way way too much COST.

The 1 possible solution ?? . Have Indo's do this "Under the Table" and PAY them a $ ransom $ for Enhanced. Yes. There have been Indo Enhanced products offered. You don't see it much these days... because... Indonesia passed a Law or regulation prohibiting extracts. Not sure when Law went into effect. So again, they DO know how, Yes the COST would be workable, IF a USA vendor could even FIND someone over there, to do this - A USA vendor would have full "Plausible Deniability" to claim they didn't know anything about any extracts. . Claim their "Premium" kratom was simply a top quality "strain".... IMO that was the DG Botanicals' scheme from a few years ago. Selling so called "Premium strains" for $320 per Kilo.

[KCobbBMore]

I agree with you, but I do not think (in this instance) it was being done universally. It appeared (to me at least) to be a bit of a bait & switch.

[KCobbBMore]

When a vendor has a small customer base or is new, most know who their customers are. If an individual who is fairly well known in the online Kratom community orders a sample pack, that is probably worth the extra $ to gain some credibility.

Some bulk vendors sell extract for fairly cheap. I have (stupidly) used it in attempt to boost crappy powder.

I don't think that was the main issue happening, though. The issue was more about test results. I use many great small batch vendors who do not test, and I am fine with that. Just be honest. Reselling the same exact products, and posting the exact same test results (from where it was purchased from) with the vendor name changed is just shady.

[Sanbutsushin]

The dishonesty is what gets me. If a vendor is faking lab results, and there are legitimate concerns over whether samples are being "enhanced" without consumer knowledge, that's all I need to know in order to stay away. There are plenty of vendors here with great leaf who don't have to resort to tactics like that to draw in and retain their customers.

Nothing has been made public about which vendor is suspected yet as far as I'm aware, but regarding a post a little further upthread - I don't think any vendor who doesn't post in this thread is automatically suspect, lol. That would rule out so many. Most, I imagine, haven't even seen this thread at all, because not all of the reputable, established vendors are even on DoubleM to begin with. And even then, the guilty vendor could say "it's not me guys, I swear!" ... anyone can. If they're shady enough to be photoshopping lab tests and potentially messing with their product, I doubt they'd come forward on their own.

I would just say to rely on your own experiences and the reviews of others. Does the vendor have a history of good reviews here? Are they established within the community as someone we can all trust? How do they conduct themselves here, if they're a member? That kind of thing.

[KCobbBMore]

I agree. It is the dishonesty that bothers me. When someone is dishonest, it is impossible to gauge where the boundaries are. Photoshopping labs is pretty messed up. Being purposely deceptive with customers is about as shady as it gets...

There ARE plenty of great vendors around, some posted in this thread. I think many of us know who to stay away from. It would be great if everyone knew who the good vendors are, but it is what it is.

[LeafersonJr32]

The 1 possible solution ?? . Have Indo's do this "Under the Table" and PAY them a $ ransom $ for Enhanced. Yes. There have been Indo Enhanced products offered. You don't see it much these days... because... Indonesia passed a Law or regulation prohibiting extracts. Not sure when Law went into effect. So again, they DO know how, Yes the COST would be workable, IF a USA vendor could even FIND someone over there, to do this - A USA vendor would have full "Plausible Deniability" to claim they didn't know anything about any extracts. . Claim their "Premium" kratom was simply a top quality "strain".... IMO that was the DG Botanicals' scheme from a few years ago. Selling so called "Premium strains" for $320 per Kilo.

Idk about dg, but if the indo supplier really wants to impress or the US vendor tells them they desperately need to receive some potent stock from them in order to keep doing business bc customers have claimed.the product to be weak they just use salt based "mitra spray" liquid extract and simply just spray the dried leaves them let sit for a few minutes. Can't detect shiny extract in the powder and gets through customs.