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’ve been contemplating ordering from a new vendor in order to keep a strong rotation going and I think I’m going to give Liza’s a try.

I’ve never seen so many choices and it makes it a bit overwhelming! I really can’t break the bank but I’m having a bit of anxiety trying to choose.

For those that are familiar and regular customers can you please recommend a nice balance of maybe 3 top greens, 3 reds and 3 others or just your favorites in general. I’ve seen Kelleytoons mention Red Bali a few times so I think that’ll be a definite. I’m probably set on trying at least one or two with atypical names to see if there’s a bit of differentiation from other vendors . Which ones do you find stimulating, euphoric, relaxing, etc…

I’m sure there are other threads that may have the suggestions that I’m looking for but I’m wondering if there’s a current consensus on what is “best” from this site!

From Liza's I don't mention Red Bali - I'm not saying it's not good, I've just never tried it (It's Herbal RVA the Red Bali is a must).

Liza's Happy-Go-Lucky is a must - I'm not sure what it's a mix of but it's the kind of go-to when nothing else works (and the name is indeed appropriate). The other one I'd say is a must is her "Red-Headed-Step Child", clearly a red mix.

Unfortunately Liza's has - when last checked - over 120 "strains" on her website ? . there's too many vendors & strains. Over 3000 for sale.

As Kelley said, just picking "Red Bali" means nothing... It's just a word. One vendor's Red Bali - has NO connection to any other Red Bali.

Actually, AVOID Red Bali - you might get some oxidized fermented crappy Red powder... IF I had to order from Liza's , Then I'd try and Sort her huge Store, by Most Recent - and buy a green colored powder with a catchy name

BallzDeep9 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 2:59 pm Unfortunately Liza's has - when last checked - over 120 "strains" on her website ? . there's too many vendors & strains. Over 3000 for sale.

As Kelley said, just picking "Red Bali" means nothing... It's just a word. One vendor's Red Bali - has NO connection to any other Red Bali.

Actually, AVOID Red Bali - you might get some oxidized fermented crappy Red powder... IF I had to order from Liza's , Then I'd try and Sort her huge Store, by Most Recent - and buy a green colored powder with a catchy name

Dude, I just gotta say, I love reading your posts, you have good info and it almost always had some edgy (and funny) truth in there. Can tell you been around a while and appreciate the honesty here. Vendors just tryna vend, but man it's like going to a restaurant and ordering "good soup". Yeah, it's all good, whatever. Give me some Green LongDong Punjab Praawnster MKL-2A and I know what you're talking about! Or Dr. Feelgood or whatever.

The Super Green Elephant is very good. A ‘happy’ burn. The Wild Green I would mention as well, but it’s not as good as the Elephant.

In all honesty, the Green Elephant was the only one I really liked from my last purchase with her. Red Jambu, Red Crow, Green Crow, and Happy-Go-Lucky. They all did nothing for me.

Kelleytoons wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 2:49 pm From Liza's I don't mention Red Bali - I'm not saying it's not good, I've just never tried it (It's Herbal RVA the Red Bali is a must).

Liza's Happy-Go-Lucky is a must - I'm not sure what it's a mix of but it's the kind of go-to when nothing else works (and the name is indeed appropriate). The other one I'd say is a must is her "Red-Headed-Step Child", clearly a red mix.

Thank you! I remembered you saying about Red Bali! For whatever reason I thought it was from Liza’s! I’ve looked at so many posts and websites lately that I’m mixing them up, lol. I’m on a budget as I just started a new remote job and won’t get paid for almost a month so I’ve been looking for budget and variety (isn’t everyone, though? ) .

Maybe I’ll start looking at Herbal RVA again . There are so many choices that it most definitely exacerbates my decision making ability . I recently had to look up “FOMO” from reading on here and I feel as though I always have some level of FOMO after spending some time on the forum!

BallzDeep9 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 2:59 pm Unfortunately Liza's has - when last checked - over 120 "strains" on her website ? . there's too many vendors & strains. Over 3000 for sale.

As Kelley said, just picking "Red Bali" means nothing... It's just a word. One vendor's Red Bali - has NO connection to any other Red Bali.

Actually, AVOID Red Bali - you might get some oxidized fermented crappy Red powder... IF I had to order from Liza's , Then I'd try and Sort her huge Store, by Most Recent - and buy a green colored powder with a catchy name

Your posts have been informative and refreshing! Navigating through all of the marketing has been menacing to my mental health . I get that it’s all pretty much the same but the names and “strains” still make me feel like a can make some wrong decisions! I guess it’s most important to find vendors that have products that work for m! I’m assuming that they’re all going to be some variation of the same leaves mixed in differing ratios depending on the maturity and drying processes.

I’ve been reading on here for awhile and you’re most definitely very knowledgeable and apparently one of the most popular posters on here for trustworthy (but subjective ) advice.

Like I’ve mentioned before and like almost everyone else on here I’m looking for variety and budget. Even if most of the strains are similar or the same, the placebo effect is real and having different strains from different vendors to rotate absolutely seems to help keep my kratom working to it’s full potential without having to overuse!

Would you recommend that I not use Liza’s? How many vendors and strains do you keep in your rotation?

uspatriot995 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:11 pm

BallzDeep9 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 2:59 pm Unfortunately Liza's has - when last checked - over 120 "strains" on her website ? . there's too many vendors & strains. Over 3000 for sale.

As Kelley said, just picking "Red Bali" means nothing... It's just a word. One vendor's Red Bali - has NO connection to any other Red Bali.

Actually, AVOID Red Bali - you might get some oxidized fermented crappy Red powder... IF I had to order from Liza's , Then I'd try and Sort her huge Store, by Most Recent - and buy a green colored powder with a catchy name

Dude, I just gotta say, I love reading your posts, you have good info and it almost always had some edgy (and funny) truth in there. Can tell you been around a while and appreciate the honesty here. Vendors just tryna vend, but man it's like going to a restaurant and ordering "good soup". Yeah, it's all good, whatever. Give me some Green LongDong Punjab Praawnster MKL-2A and I know what you're talking about! Or Dr. Feelgood or whatever.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

IjustFeltLikeRunnin’ wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:25 pm The Super Green Elephant is very good. A ‘happy’ burn. The Wild Green I would mention as well, but it’s not as good as the Elephant.

In all honesty, the Green Elephant was the only one I really liked from my last purchase with her. Red Jambu, Red Crow, Green Crow, and Happy-Go-Lucky. They all did nothing for me.

Oh no! . I had a good feeling about Liza’s and now from reading this one single post, I’m starting to worry that I should pick somewhere else to try (seriously ). I ask just about everyone the same to see which answers pop up the most or if there is some sort of consensus on which vendors and strains are preferred.

Who are your favorites to purchase from? I’ll start looking over websites and considering tonight!

The problem you will find is that kratom is SUCH an individual thing that YMMV way too much to listen to just one person.

I would recommend you look at things that have a consensus - Liza's Happy-Go-Lucky IS one of those things - and don't pay too much attention if ONE person doesn't find something worthwhile.

(There are a ton of folks who LOVE TFH Sapphire Sundra and for me it's ho-hum - but that doesn't mean that it's bad. It just doesn't work for my chemistry).

uspatriot995 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:11 pm Vendors just tryna vend, but man it's like going to a restaurant and ordering "good soup". Yeah, it's all good, whatever. Give me some Green LongDong Punjab Praawnster MKL-2A and I know what you're talking about! Or Dr. Feelgood or whatever.

LOL! - Hey. Not only are VENDORS all different - but we know, people are different, buyers want different things, on and on... There IS a long back-story to Liza's - and other vendors - and maybe I've been hanging around here too long ? 4 freakin' years. Wow.

Goes back to 2016 - A vendor known as KOG, puts up a website. Kratom-OG. LINK - very nice looking site, with... LOTS and lots of choices. And, low prices! And, the guy - Harry - was cool, he was on Facebook & Reddit - he knew a helluva lot, about kratom... (and skateboard!) Yes. He spent, lots of time, connecting with Indonesia - which, WAS the thing 5 years ago...

SO of course... Other vendors took notice. Harry had MORE "strains" than anyone ... Imported from more sources. The Business Model, was copied by other vendors... call it ? Big Selection type of vendor. TWO vendors who did this --> Liza's Botanicals, and Smiley Time. They even copy his strain names!! Harry gets "Wild Bota" ? Sure enough 2 weeks later, Smiley has Green Bota... Harry sells Jambu ? Month later, Liza's has Red Jambu...

Kratom OG - The Original - IS STILL open for business... . by Email contact now, but... KOG's website still - has the best descriptions. For each strain. Lets give credit where credit is due - ALL of these Big Selection vendors... have TOP quality stuff. And they all, sell some average stuff. You probably won't find any HPLC Lab Test - But! It's definitely, Small Batch - Direct Import kratom!!

How To Buy ? you get into, these vendors by looking at what's on their website - And ask questions by Email. (Never ask about Medical Claims, but) Ask about what's NEW, ask about Color (what's a green Red?) - ask what's popular. And look around. You MAY find a "Review" on MM or Reddit, but remember these 3 vendors may carry 200 "strains" between them... All good!

Renob wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:06 pm Oh no! . I had a good feeling about Liza’s and now from reading this one single post, I’m starting to worry that I should pick somewhere else to try (seriously ). I ask just about everyone the same to see which answers pop up the most or if there is some sort of consensus on which vendors and strains are preferred.

Who are your favorites to purchase from? I’ll start looking over websites and considering tonight!

Liza's an excellent vendor and her customer service is some of the best. In fact, I'm burning some of her White MD right now. If you like white strains, she has some great ones. The White Peacock is also good. As others have mentioned, her 'Happy Go Lucky' and 'Red Headed Stepchild' blends are really good too and definitely worth picking up. Being an admin here, I don't usually recommend things, but making an exception here since you specifically asked about her.

Renob wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:06 pm

IjustFeltLikeRunnin’ wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:25 pm The Super Green Elephant is very good. A ‘happy’ burn. The Wild Green I would mention as well, but it’s not as good as the Elephant.

In all honesty, the Green Elephant was the only one I really liked from my last purchase with her. Red Jambu, Red Crow, Green Crow, and Happy-Go-Lucky. They all did nothing for me.

Oh no! . I had a good feeling about Liza’s and now from reading this one single post, I’m starting to worry that I should pick somewhere else to try (seriously ). I ask just about everyone the same to see which answers pop up the most or if there is some sort of consensus on which vendors and strains are preferred.

Who are your favorites to purchase from? I’ll start looking over websites and considering tonight!

You should absolutely give her a try. Like I said, the Super Green Elephant is very good. She has sooooo many things to choose, and I’ve tried so few of them. And like Kelley said, everyone is so different in the effects they are looking for, so don’t go off of one review, but rather the general consensus.

e_poison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:30 pm

Renob wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:06 pm Oh no! . I had a good feeling about Liza’s and now from reading this one single post, I’m starting to worry that I should pick somewhere else to try (seriously ). I ask just about everyone the same to see which answers pop up the most or if there is some sort of consensus on which vendors and strains are preferred.

Who are your favorites to purchase from? I’ll start looking over websites and considering tonight!

Liza's an excellent vendor and her customer service is some of the best. In fact, I'm burning some of her White MD right now. If you like white strains, she has some great ones. The White Peacock is also good. As others have mentioned, her 'Happy Go Lucky' and 'Red Headed Stepchild' blends are really good too and definitely worth picking up. Being an admin here, I don't usually recommend things, but making an exception here since you specifically asked about her.

Thanks! The consensus seems to be leaning towards the named blends. What I’ve been able to discern from reading and re-reading this forum is that the Happy Go Lucky is a crowd pleaser. Red Headed Stepchild (). Seems to be popular too! I think I’m gonna be ordering from Liza’s for the first time in the upcoming week so I’ll almost definitely include those two!

Now I just have to sort through the other hundred or so choices on her site and try to guess which 4-6 other ones I’d most like to try!

For me Lizas tied with TFH I've tried leaf from most of the vendor s on Ballz List but I will always go back to Liza some of my favorite greens from her recently her Green Malay 3 ,SGE, Green nugroz, Green BotaGreen Aceh
Whites are Tanjung ,LHok,
I Still believe that if I could only ever have 2 blends it would be her Happy-go-lucky a Green white and RHSC a blend of reds and yellow hulu is also a must have.Shes alway super generous with samples with orders and is an Amazing Caring soul