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I’ve never bought from DTE before. I went to their page to get some wild red dragon and it looks like I missed it. They have so many options I don’t know where to start. What are some of your favs from DTE?

Can't go wrong with Red Bali, whether it's Premium Red Bali (Select Series) or Bali R1 from the Vintage drop yesterday (Mitragenie leaf from 2018-2022).

I enjoyed the Wild White Jongkong A27 as well. He has a drop from K supplier coming in about 2 weeks, you might want to wait to a fresh drop. You can join the subscription email on his site or find the DTE server on Discord for reviews of the samples for the new drop.

My own Vendor Rating = DTE "Down To Earth" Botanicals - IS absolutely TOP of the Vendor List, right now... Anyone who is buying Quality Kratom - Needs an account with DTE... I have followed the business closely over past 2+ years, and DTE - has done a fantastic job.

Product Selection: MIT extract "Astral Amber", I have used (and "Solar Flare" etc.) are THE best way, to customize your Kratom serving... More MIT and less dirt!! ~ DTE offers quite a variety of unique items. ✔

DTE is legit. Very. And Andrew provides excellent contact and customer service.

He does a very smart thing: before a release of new kratom, he offers samplers, packs of small amounts of the upcoming batches for a small cost, letting you try some instead of going in blind.

He released his most recent samplers today, 7/1/25, so get in on it.

BallzDeep9 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 02, 2025 4:58 pm My own Vendor Rating = DTE "Down To Earth" Botanicals - IS absolutely TOP of the Vendor List, right now... Anyone who is buying Quality Kratom - Needs an account with DTE... I have followed the business closely over past 2+ years, and DTE - has done a fantastic job.

Product Selection: MIT extract "Astral Amber", I have used (and "Solar Flare" etc.) are THE best way, to customize your Kratom serving... More MIT and less dirt!! ~ DTE offers quite a variety of unique items. ✔

The freeze dried shots are very legit, seems more potent than normal powder. Just two squirts in a bottle of water and you are good to go, kicks hard within a few minutes.

Madvillain626 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 02, 2025 3:37 pm Can't go wrong with Red Bali, whether it's Premium Red Bali (Select Series) or Bali R1 from the Vintage drop yesterday (Mitragenie leaf from 2018-2022).

I enjoyed the Wild White Jongkong A27 as well. He has a drop from K supplier coming in about 2 weeks, you might want to wait to a fresh drop. You can join the subscription email on his site or find the DTE server on Discord for reviews of the samples for the new drop.

Ok maybe it’s just me but I have no idea how to navigate discord. How do I find DTE server?

SunnyD wrote: ↑Thu Jul 03, 2025 11:52 pm

Madvillain626 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 02, 2025 3:37 pm Can't go wrong with Red Bali, whether it's Premium Red Bali (Select Series) or Bali R1 from the Vintage drop yesterday (Mitragenie leaf from 2018-2022).

I enjoyed the Wild White Jongkong A27 as well. He has a drop from K supplier coming in about 2 weeks, you might want to wait to a fresh drop. You can join the subscription email on his site or find the DTE server on Discord for reviews of the samples for the new drop.

Ok maybe it’s just me but I have no idea how to navigate discord. How do I find DTE server?

the name of the server is DTE Botanicals. didn't come up when I searched for it so just DM ur handle on Discord and I'll add u

Anything with "Deep Jungle" monacre is great. I would say "20 Year," too, but I have had very little luck with the 20 Year Wild Red Maeng Da which is irritating because, based on the name alone, it checks all of the boxes for what I'm after.

The Wild Red Saka and the 20 Year Wild Red Sakit both delivered big time. The Deep Jungle Red Sumatra is fucking awesome.

Some hit, and some miss, and it is all basically the same, so they can't ALL be that ONE.

IndelibleDotInk wrote: ↑Wed Jul 02, 2025 10:31 pm DTE is legit. Very. And Andrew provides excellent contact and customer service.

He does a very smart thing: before a release of new kratom, he offers samplers, packs of small amounts of the upcoming batches for a small cost, letting you try some instead of going in blind.

He released his most recent samplers today, 7/1/25, so get in on it.

What are your faves from the sampler so far? I just got mine - looking to try the red bone. Also tried the PRMD14 yesterday and was kind of disappointed.

T0wlie04 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 12:10 pm

IndelibleDotInk wrote: ↑Wed Jul 02, 2025 10:31 pm DTE is legit. Very. And Andrew provides excellent contact and customer service.

He does a very smart thing: before a release of new kratom, he offers samplers, packs of small amounts of the upcoming batches for a small cost, letting you try some instead of going in blind.

He released his most recent samplers today, 7/1/25, so get in on it.

What are your faves from the sampler so far? I just got mine - looking to try the red bone. Also tried the PRMD14 yesterday and was kind of disappointed.

I'm still stocked up on the last drop, but every green from there has been a hit, though the red MD and red Malay weren't sock knocking, but my tolerance is up. Also could not get a good read on the pink panther. Doesn't hurt to ask about the factors you are looking for in an email too. Or inquire if there's any left from the last drop - the North Hulu Kapuas j9 was my fave, along with the Super Green Kali k18.

Buy whatever of the Vintage leaf is left to get.

They are all good.

If you gotta pick one get the Red Bali R1

I just tried them for the first time last week, and recieved my order yesterday! I also have an order with some of the K17 drop and some of the Vintage on the way! Of last week's order I've only tried the Super Gold MD so far and it was nice, relaxing but kept me up late lol. Looking forward to trying the rest! I missed out on the Deep Jungle Green Horn from the K17 drop, SOLD OUT, bummer lol. Hoping to snag some on the Trading Post if my request gets approved. (Haven't used my account here in a long time)

Khorbib wrote: ↑Wed Jul 30, 2025 6:05 pm I just tried them for the first time last week, and recieved my order yesterday! I also have an order with some of the K17 drop and some of the Vintage on the way! Of last week's order I've only tried the Super Gold MD so far and it was nice, relaxing but kept me up late lol. Looking forward to trying the rest! I missed out on the Deep Jungle Green Horn from the K17 drop, SOLD OUT, bummer lol. Hoping to snag some on the Trading Post if my request gets approved. (Haven't used my account here in a long time)

I was low on funds so I only got 125g of the DJGH. A28 drop is coming in around 3 weeks. Some bangers are coming like Green Embaloh and Wild Red Sakit. Last batch of Super Green Dragon (A26) was insanely good and that was April so I can only imagine how dank dry season Green Dragon might be. K supplier is amazing but I love A supplier more by a hair, feel like the strains are bit more...distinct?

Yeah I love the A supplier and everything that comes out with them like E and J can be fire as well.

I LOVE the D supplier maybe the most though and am so disappointed that the last shipment didn’t make it.

BallzDeep9 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 02, 2025 4:58 pm My own Vendor Rating = DTE "Down To Earth" Botanicals - IS absolutely TOP of the Vendor List, right now... Anyone who is buying Quality Kratom - Needs an account with DTE... I have followed the business closely over past 2+ years, and DTE - has done a fantastic job.

Product Selection: MIT extract "Astral Amber", I have used (and "Solar Flare" etc.) are THE best way, to customize your Kratom serving... More MIT and less dirt!! ~ DTE offers quite a variety of unique items. ✔

If what you mean by top quality being the highest amounts of Aerobic Plate Counts, Yeast , Mold & Coliforms seen on their COA's than any other popular vendor in this forum, then sure, Ballz.

This is something I just recently started really paying attention to as I've ran into horrible fungal overgrowth and other health related issues. Was the kratom effects great, yeah most batches were, but at what cost. It's actually disgusting to think about now as I looked back on some of my favorite batches, riddled with high amounts of this stuff. Any mold exposure over 1,000 CFU/G is going to be damaging to your health if taken daily for extended periods of time. 4,800 CFU/G MOLD for the K17 Super Gold MD / Wild Gold Dragon? I'm helping to bring attention to this so we don't get sick. Taking 5 grams of this daily would expose you to 24,000 CFU total, 24x above the level the United States Pharmacopeia recommends. If you have respiratory issues, weakened/slow metabolism, or are immunocompromised, even lower levels could cause problems especially if you are consuming over 1-2 grams daily. There are vendors out there providing leaf that is at 200 CFU/G and under, even at 0, no mold or yeast, imagine that.

Not only that, for example the Red Bali G4 has 5 times more lead than compared to another vendor I see. At 6.6 grams or more of this leaf, you'd be OVER the daily FDA limit set for safe levels of exposure of 5 ug/day. That's just the lead your getting from kratom, aside from all other sources daily. I know plenty of people take 10-20 grams per day, just think about the carcinogenic effects.

Don't know if they'll ever have any of the old bangers again, but the gold kuat and 30 year green from late 2023 was outstanding

You are totally misreading the lead measurement on the Red Bali G4 lab report. It is being reported in different units (parts per billion rather than parts per million) [EDIT: correction, ug/day vs ug/g] than most labs normally show and would be equivalent to .380 on most other lab reports which is totally average [EDIT: correction, .760 ug/g, which is on the higher side but still within the normal range]. There is also a huge difference in mold ingested orally and mold inhaled. People eat blue cheese and other moldy cheeses on the regular with MUCH higher mold counts. As long as you aren't insuflating your kratom, you should be ok. Regarding aerobic plate counts, anytime a fermented product is involved, there will be bacteria (not all bacteria are bad), and it just indicates the presence of fermented kratom in the mix.

These types of figures are generally present in most other vendors as well and are not problematic. If a person has fungal overgrowth issues, kratom is probably the least of the causes.

Based on your pattern of posts lately, you have a beef with DTE and are trying to find any reason to start trouble.

WickedMadScientist wrote: ↑Sat Aug 02, 2025 1:44 pm If what you mean by top quality being the highest amounts of Aerobic Plate Counts, Yeast , Mold & Coliforms seen on their COA's than any other popular vendor in this forum, then sure, Ballz.

This is something I just recently started really paying attention to as I've ran into horrible fungal overgrowth and other health related issues. Was the kratom effects great, yeah most batches were, but at what cost. It's actually disgusting to think about now as I looked back on some of my favorite batches, riddled with high amounts of this stuff. Any mold exposure over 1,000 CFU/G is going to be damaging to your health if taken daily for extended periods of time. 4,800 CFU/G MOLD for the K17 Super Gold MD / Wild Gold Dragon? I'm helping to bring attention to this so we don't get sick. Taking 5 grams of this daily would expose you to 24,000 CFU total, 24x above the level the United States Pharmacopeia recommends. If you have respiratory issues, weakened/slow metabolism, or are immunocompromised, even lower levels could cause problems especially if you are consuming over 1-2 grams daily. There are vendors out there providing leaf that is at 200 CFU/G and under, even at 0, no mold or yeast, imagine that.

Not only that, for example the Red Bali G4 has 5 times more lead than compared to another vendor I see. At 6.6 grams or more of this leaf, you'd be OVER the daily FDA limit set for safe levels of exposure of 5 ug/day. That's just the lead your getting from kratom, aside from all other sources daily. I know plenty of people take 10-20 grams per day, just think about the carcinogenic effects.

whoisseananyway wrote: ↑Mon Aug 04, 2025 6:54 am You are totally misreading the lead measurement on the Red Bali G4 lab report. It is being reported in different units (parts per billion rather than parts per million) than most labs normally show and would be equivalent to .380 on most other lab reports which is totally average. There is also a huge difference in mold ingested orally and mold inhaled. People eat blue cheese and other moldy cheeses on the regular with MUCH higher mold counts. As long as you aren't insuflating your kratom, you should be ok. Regarding aerobic plate counts, anytime a fermented product is involved, there will be bacteria (not all bacteria are bad), and it just indicates the presence of fermented kratom in the mix.

These types of figures are generally present in most other vendors as well and are not problematic. If a person has fungal overgrowth issues, kratom is probably the least of the causes.

Based on your pattern of posts lately, you have a beef with DTE and are trying to find any reason to start trouble.

WickedMadScientist wrote: ↑Sat Aug 02, 2025 1:44 pm If what you mean by top quality being the highest amounts of Aerobic Plate Counts, Yeast , Mold & Coliforms seen on their COA's than any other popular vendor in this forum, then sure, Ballz.

This is something I just recently started really paying attention to as I've ran into horrible fungal overgrowth and other health related issues. Was the kratom effects great, yeah most batches were, but at what cost. It's actually disgusting to think about now as I looked back on some of my favorite batches, riddled with high amounts of this stuff. Any mold exposure over 1,000 CFU/G is going to be damaging to your health if taken daily for extended periods of time. 4,800 CFU/G MOLD for the K17 Super Gold MD / Wild Gold Dragon? I'm helping to bring attention to this so we don't get sick. Taking 5 grams of this daily would expose you to 24,000 CFU total, 24x above the level the United States Pharmacopeia recommends. If you have respiratory issues, weakened/slow metabolism, or are immunocompromised, even lower levels could cause problems especially if you are consuming over 1-2 grams daily. There are vendors out there providing leaf that is at 200 CFU/G and under, even at 0, no mold or yeast, imagine that.

Not only that, for example the Red Bali G4 has 5 times more lead than compared to another vendor I see. At 6.6 grams or more of this leaf, you'd be OVER the daily FDA limit set for safe levels of exposure of 5 ug/day. That's just the lead your getting from kratom, aside from all other sources daily. I know plenty of people take 10-20 grams per day, just think about the carcinogenic effects.

I'm not misreading it, it's 3.8 ug/day at 5 grams. YOU are misreading it. And it is different, ingesting is worse, but, okay.

My mistake. Most labs report in ug/g, not ug/day. The ug/g would be .760 which is on the higher side but under the 1.0 ug/g limit. Per the FDA, the limit for females of childbearing age is 8.8 μg/day or 12.5 ug/day for men. I'd keep that one to one dose every few days, which is what I do.

WickedMadScientist wrote: ↑Mon Aug 04, 2025 7:01 am

whoisseananyway wrote: ↑Mon Aug 04, 2025 6:54 am You are totally misreading the lead measurement on the Red Bali G4 lab report. It is being reported in different units (parts per billion rather than parts per million) than most labs normally show and would be equivalent to .380 on most other lab reports which is totally average. There is also a huge difference in mold ingested orally and mold inhaled. People eat blue cheese and other moldy cheeses on the regular with MUCH higher mold counts. As long as you aren't insuflating your kratom, you should be ok. Regarding aerobic plate counts, anytime a fermented product is involved, there will be bacteria (not all bacteria are bad), and it just indicates the presence of fermented kratom in the mix.

These types of figures are generally present in most other vendors as well and are not problematic. If a person has fungal overgrowth issues, kratom is probably the least of the causes.

Based on your pattern of posts lately, you have a beef with DTE and are trying to find any reason to start trouble.

WickedMadScientist wrote: ↑Sat Aug 02, 2025 1:44 pm If what you mean by top quality being the highest amounts of Aerobic Plate Counts, Yeast , Mold & Coliforms seen on their COA's than any other popular vendor in this forum, then sure, Ballz.

This is something I just recently started really paying attention to as I've ran into horrible fungal overgrowth and other health related issues. Was the kratom effects great, yeah most batches were, but at what cost. It's actually disgusting to think about now as I looked back on some of my favorite batches, riddled with high amounts of this stuff. Any mold exposure over 1,000 CFU/G is going to be damaging to your health if taken daily for extended periods of time. 4,800 CFU/G MOLD for the K17 Super Gold MD / Wild Gold Dragon? I'm helping to bring attention to this so we don't get sick. Taking 5 grams of this daily would expose you to 24,000 CFU total, 24x above the level the United States Pharmacopeia recommends. If you have respiratory issues, weakened/slow metabolism, or are immunocompromised, even lower levels could cause problems especially if you are consuming over 1-2 grams daily. There are vendors out there providing leaf that is at 200 CFU/G and under, even at 0, no mold or yeast, imagine that.

Not only that, for example the Red Bali G4 has 5 times more lead than compared to another vendor I see. At 6.6 grams or more of this leaf, you'd be OVER the daily FDA limit set for safe levels of exposure of 5 ug/day. That's just the lead your getting from kratom, aside from all other sources daily. I know plenty of people take 10-20 grams per day, just think about the carcinogenic effects.

I'm not misreading it, it's 3.8 ug/day at 5 grams. YOU are misreading it. And it is different, ingesting is worse, but, okay.

whoisseananyway wrote: ↑Mon Aug 04, 2025 7:10 am My mistake. Most labs report in ug/g, not ug/day. The ug/g would be .760 which is on the higher side but under the 1.0 ug/g limit. Per the FDA, the limit for females of childbearing age is 8.8 μg/day or 12.5 ug/day for men. I'd keep that one to one dose every few days, which is what I do.

WickedMadScientist wrote: ↑Mon Aug 04, 2025 7:01 am

whoisseananyway wrote: ↑Mon Aug 04, 2025 6:54 am You are totally misreading the lead measurement on the Red Bali G4 lab report. It is being reported in different units (parts per billion rather than parts per million) than most labs normally show and would be equivalent to .380 on most other lab reports which is totally average. There is also a huge difference in mold ingested orally and mold inhaled. People eat blue cheese and other moldy cheeses on the regular with MUCH higher mold counts. As long as you aren't insuflating your kratom, you should be ok. Regarding aerobic plate counts, anytime a fermented product is involved, there will be bacteria (not all bacteria are bad), and it just indicates the presence of fermented kratom in the mix.

These types of figures are generally present in most other vendors as well and are not problematic. If a person has fungal overgrowth issues, kratom is probably the least of the causes.

Based on your pattern of posts lately, you have a beef with DTE and are trying to find any reason to start trouble.

I'm not misreading it, it's 3.8 ug/day at 5 grams. YOU are misreading it. And it is different, ingesting is worse, but, okay.

I'm just looking out for the community. Yes limiting the exposure is the smartest thing to do, these accumulate in the system when taken daily just like anything else.

whoisseananyway wrote: ↑Mon Aug 04, 2025 7:10 am My mistake. Most labs report in ug/g, not ug/day. The ug/g would be .760 which is on the higher side but under the 1.0 ug/g limit. Per the FDA, the limit for females of childbearing age is 8.8 μg/day or 12.5 ug/day for men. I'd keep that one to one dose every few days, which is what I do.

WickedMadScientist wrote: ↑Mon Aug 04, 2025 7:01 am

whoisseananyway wrote: ↑Mon Aug 04, 2025 6:54 am You are totally misreading the lead measurement on the Red Bali G4 lab report. It is being reported in different units (parts per billion rather than parts per million) than most labs normally show and would be equivalent to .380 on most other lab reports which is totally average. There is also a huge difference in mold ingested orally and mold inhaled. People eat blue cheese and other moldy cheeses on the regular with MUCH higher mold counts. As long as you aren't insuflating your kratom, you should be ok. Regarding aerobic plate counts, anytime a fermented product is involved, there will be bacteria (not all bacteria are bad), and it just indicates the presence of fermented kratom in the mix.

These types of figures are generally present in most other vendors as well and are not problematic. If a person has fungal overgrowth issues, kratom is probably the least of the causes.

Based on your pattern of posts lately, you have a beef with DTE and are trying to find any reason to start trouble.

I'm not misreading it, it's 3.8 ug/day at 5 grams. YOU are misreading it. And it is different, ingesting is worse, but, okay.

Most report in Mg/KG which is the same as PPM.

I'm well aware that the aerobic plate count counts all bacteria, "good" and bad.
Extremely high amounts of mold/yeast/coliforms confirm the bad.

Quality fermented leaf can contain higher amounts of bacteria (30,000 cfu/g for example) and still test below 500 < for yeast/mold and negative for salmonella and <100 for ECR/salmonella/Staph/Coliforms.