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Trying to Kratom Ban

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:23 pm
by nltsaved
This is not a coincidence they are doing this during the Indonesian Eid mubarak holiday which shuts down the mailing system until June 21st. Act now call your representatives and voice your concerns. The time is now. Shit going down.



The FDA has lobbied the Speaker of the House and they are trying to force the SITSA Bill to the House Floor without the amendment to protect kratom from a back-door scheduling maneuver.



The House of Representatives Rules Committee will hear this bill on Tuesday afternoon.

It is critical if you live in the Congressional District of one of these House of Representatives (who serve on the Rules Committee) CALL THEM IMMEDIATELY AND ASK THEM TO SUPORT THE POCAN AMENDMENT TO PROTECT KRATOM.






All Kratom Warriors should contact their own Congressman and tell them to support the Pocan Amendment.

Your help is urgently needed. Call immediately to protect kratom.



RULES COMMITTEE Members

Questions & Answers on SITSA

First, follow the link on the SITSA post. "Only" contact those that are on your list, in your district, on the rules committee.

Second is what do I say?
Simply say: If you are calling the House Rules Committee and speaking to your Representative, simply tell him, " I am calling to ask you to support the Pocan Amendment to the SITSA Bill. He/she will know what you're talking about, in regards to SITSA. If they say they can't support the amendment then ask him to Simply vote no on SITSA

Next, why is this important?
SITSA as drafted would significantly expand the universe of drugs or substances that DEA
could immediately control with little notice to legitimate stakeholders or input from experts
and with few curbs on the authority of DEA. In so doing, the proposed law would give DEA
the unfettered ability to eliminate access to such substances, despite what may be longstanding
and legitimate non-medical uses (e.g., industrial uses, uses in foods, uses in dietary
supplements) and would substantially curtail and burden legitimate scientific research and
product development. Furthermore, despite the reference to synthetic analogues in the title
of the legislation, the legislative language is so broad as to sweep in a range of drugs or
substances. In essence, DEA (working with FDA) could schedule kratom on the claim that it is an opioid analogue (a claim publicly made by FDA Commissioner Gottlieb on Nov. 14, 2017). SITSA does not require any justification from NIDA or HHS on the science, and the AG has complete discretion.

Add to that, if SITSA passes and the AG decides to ban Kratom using SITSA, we have no recourse for 5 years. Zero recourse...

Once it is scheduled "temporarily" under SITSA for 5 years, the AG can unilaterally continue it -- there is no judicial review permitted. The only claim would have to be on Constitutional grounds, and that is a very expensive and lengthy process with a very uncertain outcome.

Those who make the claim that kratom could not be scheduled under SITSA have clearly not read the definitions that are so broad -- and combined with Gottlieb's claims -- puts kratom squarely in the sights of the regulators.

We don't have time to argue or speculate. The calls need to made ASAP.


Re: Kratom Ban

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:00 am
by BallzDeep9
>> Shit going down. The bill passed the house 6yes 4 no to keep out the ammendment
WHOA woe woe... Slow down a second there, cowboy.. The Bill did not pass The House. They haven't HAD a Final Vote on the SITSA bill yet. Last I heard, it's scheduled for a vote on Friday.

Today's Amendment was in Committee. Yes that's right. The Bill is "still In Committee".. Mark Pocan's Amendment to protect kratom, was defeated on a Party Line Vote. That's really the important point here. Party Line Vote.. ALL the Republicans in Committee, voted against kratom. All Democrats support kratom.

Of course the OTHER important point.... Do Not Panic! It's not even passed by the House yet.. but, yeah, it probably will because "someone" voted for Republicans :?: Anyway, yeah... House first. From there... it goes on to the Senate. Where screwed up Republican bills like this, usually DIE. Lets hope.

I was on Facebook today. Lots of people spreading this PANIC today.. Pocan's Amendment never really had a chance, he's a progressive Democrat in the Bernie Sanders camp, and his Amendment was just for "show" and everybody knew it. But we learned something.. right? :P

Re: Kratom Ban

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:40 am
by nltsaved
Freaking out man sorry i jumped the gun a bit. Tbanks for clarification. This plant is a life saver for me I am losing my shit. I just got off Tramadol after 5 years of being on it and before kratom it was a nightmare. No withdrawalss leavimg that shit behind. Probably saved my marriage as well.

Re: Kratom Ban

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:38 am
by whiffypants
You're not the only one panicking; I'm very, very concerned myself.

And we should be: this backdoor, on the qt, shady political shit is NO joke.

I don't want to lose kratom either!!!

Re: Kratom Ban

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:10 pm
by demafrost
nltsaved wrote:Freaking out man sorry i jumped the gun a bit. Tbanks for clarification. This plant is a life saver for me I am losing my shit. I just got off Tramadol after 5 years of being on it and before kratom it was a nightmare. No withdrawalss leavimg that shit behind. Probably saved my marriage as well.
Wait you didnt get ANY withdrawals quitting Tramadol by using kratom? That's amazing....I wish I knew about kratom when I CT'd from a 20+ pill a day tram addiction several years ago. Worst hell of my life!

Re: Kratom Ban

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:27 pm
by bree
nltsaved wrote:Freaking out man sorry i jumped the gun a bit. Tbanks for clarification. This plant is a life saver for me I am losing my shit. I just got off Tramadol after 5 years of being on it and before kratom it was a nightmare. No withdrawalss leavimg that shit behind. Probably saved my marriage as well.
Same here man - kratom has helped me get off tramadol after long term use. I’ve gone off them a few times over the years WITHOUT kratom and what a fucking nightmare that is. Kratom will probably save my marriage like you... my career too. All we can do is do what we can. Much love from one to another.

Re: Kratom Ban

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:40 pm
by BallzDeep9
What's really SAD is where do we get "Real News" on whats happening? I cant find 1 single place to get the true story. AKA? You really have to dig on Facebook AKA, to find anything current... Its all this panic BS people copy & paste someone else's freak-out post and nobody seems to know whats goin on. Reddit full of mis-information as usual. :shock:

Re: Kratom Ban

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:22 pm
by whiffypants
BallzDeep9 wrote:I cant find 1 single place to get the true story.
Yeah. And that's probably why I'm inclined to take it more seriously: if this little bit is all I'm seeing, there's a good bet it's only the tip of the iceberg, so that's where I lay my cards.
AKA? You really have to dig on Facebook AKA, to find anything current...


Yeah, I was on their website the other day and it was kind of disappointing how out of date some of it was -- like articles as recent as May still referring to Tennessee being illegal -- but hey, at least they're there and doing something about it.

I like to think that the reason the website isn't perfectly up-to-date is because they're out there planning rallies and harassing senators... :lol:

Re: Kratom Ban

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:55 pm
by e_poison
demafrost wrote:
nltsaved wrote:Freaking out man sorry i jumped the gun a bit. Tbanks for clarification. This plant is a life saver for me I am losing my shit. I just got off Tramadol after 5 years of being on it and before kratom it was a nightmare. No withdrawalss leavimg that shit behind. Probably saved my marriage as well.
Wait you didnt get ANY withdrawals quitting Tramadol by using kratom? That's amazing....I wish I knew about kratom when I CT'd from a 20+ pill a day tram addiction several years ago. Worst hell of my life!
I used kratom to quit tramadol too, and had no withdrawls.