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What is the strongest red you have found for pain relief/sedation? I've only used Maha Kali from HS pretty much and looking to branch out. Is there anything comparable to that or even stronger? Thanks in advance

In my search for a truly strong red I have gotten quite a few. Found plenty of great greens, whites and yellow/ golds but reds are tough. The best and strongest one I have found so far is Red Muna form TFH. But I have some on the way from heavenleaf, goldfumed, and Mitraman so we will see if I can find something stronger.

Marcussk wrote:Found plenty of great greens, whites and yellow/ golds but reds are tough.

That's because 'Reds' are weaker than 'Greens'... Reds are mostly oxidized, sun-dried, and or fermented.

As we've learned over the past 2 years.. 95% of kratom LEAF are red vein, off the tree.. So 'Greens' are made from Red leaves, anyway.. Greens and Whites are mostly Indoor dried with care to preserve alkaloids. Red color, is allowed to oxidize outdoors which makes red powder... weaker.

Always buy Greens! Leave your green powder sitting in the sun for a day... It will turn 'Red'

Ballz is right, great reds are hard to come by...that's one reason I'm such a shameless shill for SOSA's reds...indoor dried, the magic happens in your liver..

...not on the tarp!!

BallzDeep9 wrote:

Marcussk wrote:Found plenty of great greens, whites and yellow/ golds but reds are tough.

That's because 'Reds' are weaker than 'Greens'... Reds are mostly oxidized, sun-dried, and or fermented.

As we've learned over the past 2 years.. 95% of kratom LEAF are red vein, off the tree.. So 'Greens' are made from Red leaves, anyway.. Greens and Whites are mostly Indoor dried with care to preserve alkaloids. Red color, is allowed to oxidize outdoors which makes red powder... weaker.

Always buy Greens! Leave your green powder sitting in the sun for a day... It will turn 'Red'

interesting, thanks for the info. i guess what are the strongest stains in general you have found then for pain relief/sedation?

TFH red elephant and Red Sunda

I've had some really great pain relief from Botanical Bunny's Rojo Loco! It's on my "repurchase when I run low" list along with TFH Red Muna. Bents in general do nothing for me, but from what other's post bents are supposed to be great for pain relief.

ETA: the appropriate vendor! (I tried to post before coffee)

Leaves of Eden
Wilde fire red
Fire Red

TFH
Wild crafted heavy red
Classic red maeng da
Wild red tfh
Wild Harvest Indo

Fused Flora
Red Takengon
Red kapuas
Wild red kapuas

FreshLeaf
Red Thai

SpinTripFall
Red Kapuas Hulu
Big Green Red

Galactic
Red Hulu
Red Horn Crushed Leaf

Spirit science
Premium red plantation
Red Bali
Red sulawesi

Kratom Trading Company
Red Borneo

And maybe a few more to come of I think of em... Most of these are possibly available currently but I don't know for sure, sorry!!! I would have also suggested most of SOSA's reds but with the current climate of his business that's just not a good idea right now

acejestyr15 wrote:Leaves of Eden
Wilde fire red
Fire Red

TFH
Wild crafted heavy red
Classic red maeng da
Wild red tfh
Wild Harvest Indo

Fused Flora
Red Takengon
Red kapuas
Wild red kapuas

FreshLeaf
Red Thai

SpinTripFall
Red Kapuas Hulu
Big Green Red

Galactic
Red Hulu
Red Horn Crushed Leaf

Spirit science
Premium red plantation
Red Bali
Red sulawesi

Kratom Trading Company
Red Borneo

And maybe a few more to come of I think of em... Most of these are possibly available currently but I don't know for sure, sorry!!! I would have also suggested most of SOSA's reds but with the current climate of his business that's just not a good idea right now

awesome thanks for doing this! do any of them stand out from the rest euphoria-wise from your experience? I love maha kali from HS/viable but it's all i have really tried aside from a few other reds they have and don't want to limit myself, not to mention its pretty pricey.

nomo wrote:
awesome thanks for doing this! do any of them stand out from the rest euphoria-wise from your experience? I love maha kali from HS/viable but it's all i have really tried aside from a few other reds they have and don't want to limit myself, not to mention its pretty pricey.

Those are all my top favs from individual vendors for multiple reasons.... I personally think that every single one of those will blow HS/Viable selections out of the water, but that's just me!! Although, rumor had is that HS Maha Kali now contains added extract and that's why is so expensive, ruins ppls tolerance, and is supposed so potent/strong. My first online vendor was HS back before their Recalls and their supplier switch.... After that the quality dropped big time and I found all this much much better leaf for way less money honestly!! Good luck!!!

nomo wrote:What is the strongest red you have found for pain relief/sedation? I've only used Maha Kali from HS pretty much and looking to branch out. Is there anything comparable to that or even stronger? Thanks in advance

All of Liza's reds have worked for me.

TFh has been hit or miss, but the ones that hit do so excellently. So when you find the right one, get as much of it as you can. Even Liza's good Red Bali can never be the same from one season to the next. Kratom isn't like a bowl of Cheerios that can be replicated, exactly, box after box. No strain can ever be replicated exactly after the last kilo is sold since every batch is unique.

Smiley's red bali or red bali 2 would be good here. Same with the OG red kali.

Benni's red indo, red malay, or red kapuas are phenomenal.

Mitraman's red horn and red elephant are fantastic as well.

Great reds are very hard to come by, but these are a few of my favorite recent ones I've had. Oties has a pretty good red bali as well.

Some of my favorite strong reds are:

Fused Flora - Wild Red Kapuas
GoldFumed - Red Nodfather #2
Heavenleaf - Premium Red Sibau
Leaves of Eden - Wild Red Vein #1; Kapuas River Red
Seaside Botanicals - Premium Red
Texas Family Harvest - Red Muna; Wild Crafted Heavy Red

Also, ace posted a really solid list!

BobDylanKratom wrote:Some of my favorite strong reds are:

Fused Flora - Wild Red Kapuas
GoldFumed - Red Nodfather #2
Heavenleaf - Premium Red Sibau
Leaves of Eden - Wild Red Vein #1; Kapuas River Red
Seaside Botanicals - Premium Red
Texas Family Harvest - Red Muna; Wild Crafted Heavy Red

Also, ace posted a really solid list!

Thanks! i ordered some red muna and WCHR from TFH. Should be here today, cant wait to try!

BobDylanKratom wrote:Some of my favorite strong reds are:

Fused Flora - Wild Red Kapuas
GoldFumed - Red Nodfather #2
Heavenleaf - Premium Red Sibau
Leaves of Eden - Wild Red Vein #1; Kapuas River Red
Seaside Botanicals - Premium Red
Texas Family Harvest - Red Muna; Wild Crafted Heavy Red

Also, ace posted a really solid list!

How do you order from TFH? I hear them mentioned frequently. Currently using Mitra Man but always looking for new vendors.

Noddyboi wrote:

BobDylanKratom wrote:Some of my favorite strong reds are:

Fused Flora - Wild Red Kapuas
GoldFumed - Red Nodfather #2
Heavenleaf - Premium Red Sibau
Leaves of Eden - Wild Red Vein #1; Kapuas River Red
Seaside Botanicals - Premium Red
Texas Family Harvest - Red Muna; Wild Crafted Heavy Red

Also, ace posted a really solid list!

How do you order from TFH? I hear them mentioned frequently. Currently using Mitra Man but always looking for new vendors.

They are only available to their private members.... BUT, they are having another opening for doubleM forum members on April 15th! Check it out.... Do your research.... Be ready!!!

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4639

acejestyr15 wrote:

Noddyboi wrote:

BobDylanKratom wrote:Some of my favorite strong reds are:

Fused Flora - Wild Red Kapuas
GoldFumed - Red Nodfather #2
Heavenleaf - Premium Red Sibau
Leaves of Eden - Wild Red Vein #1; Kapuas River Red
Seaside Botanicals - Premium Red
Texas Family Harvest - Red Muna; Wild Crafted Heavy Red

Also, ace posted a really solid list!

How do you order from TFH? I hear them mentioned frequently. Currently using Mitra Man but always looking for new vendors.

They are only available to their private members.... BUT, they are having another opening for doubleM forum members on April 15th! Check it out.... Do your research.... Be ready!!!

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4639

how do you become a private member tho? just frequent ordering/gaining trust or do they never accept new permanent members?

When/if they are accepting new members they will make an announcement here to the doubleM community.... But to be honest, it hasn't happened at all as of yet! Your best option is to enroll in his next testing program when it opens up so you can sample some stuff in between open order events. Then at open order events order as much if the ones you like/are interested in as possible!! There are very very few private TFH members around here and they were members prior to joining our community so.... Good luck, and enjoy!!

Red Dragon from a local vendor has been by far my favorite. (I have tried many)

With an empty stomach I mix 4-7g (any kratom for this matter) in a glass with orange juice (anything with lots of vitamin C) let it sit for 15 min. Stir again and chug.