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Wondering if anyone has any experience with Hirsuta and would be willing to share?

I was excited about Hirsuta because I've had some great experiences with Javanica (btw, anyone know a great vendor for Javanica?) and wanted to test the waters with a few other botanicals. So, I purchased Hirsuta on the fly from Soul's latest sale, but what I've been able to gather on Hirsuta so far doesn't bode so well. It seems like a few folks stopped feeling Kratom for a few days all together after taking Hirsuta. Also read that the proper amount is 15gs which seems pretty high to me.

Can anyone verify? Thank you!

Ive dabbled with hirsuta as a dose replacement start at normal dose size and see how it is then you can increase by 25% or so if needed but I wouldn't do 15g. Souls is good quality mid-energy, uplifting.....I just do it occasionally so I haven't noticed any diminished effects but could see it being an issue if used often just experiment a little and see how it affects you its nice to mix things up with it solo or mixed with kratom

I am also very curious about this

sophala wrote:Wondering if anyone has any experience with Hirsuta and would be willing to share?

I was excited about Hirsuta because I've had some great experiences with Javanica (btw, anyone know a great vendor for Javanica?) and wanted to test the waters with a few other botanicals. So, I purchased Hirsuta on the fly from Soul's latest sale, but what I've been able to gather on Hirsuta so far doesn't bode so well. It seems like a few folks stopped feeling Kratom for a few days all together after taking Hirsuta. Also read that the proper amount is 15gs which seems pretty high to me.

Can anyone verify? Thank you!

Fused Flora javanica is very good.
Soultanic hirsuta is very good too.

Hirsuta is amazing. They have slow mid and fast. The burns ive experienced are pretty amazing and better than alot of my better kratom burns. You should start at your regular kratom dose then increase by 1 gram intervals until you get a good burn. For me and my fiance it is 2 grams over our normal dosage. As far as not being able to feel kratom after hirsuta I'm sure varies from person to person. But the longer your on hirsuta the the higher the chances for this to happen. We normally take a 5 day break. Day 6 very muted effects of kratom but still working strong for pain relief. Day 7 everything starts getting back on track. We have taken 2 day breaks and day 3 full effects from kratom still. These are mine and my fiance's experiences. 5 day breaks pretty much reset us 75 percent which I hear is extremely good, so we are thankful. Hope this helps.

BTW we like to have a fast or mid during the day Smiley and LOE. A good slow at night Heaven Leaf. I bet Souls is very good would like to try in the future. I also hear amazing things about Fused Flora jovanica.

This is awesome & so helpful. Thanks for all the insight, everyone.

And yeah, the javanica we have is from Fused and it's reaaallly great but he's sadly out of stock. Hopefully, he gets more in soon.

There was a post on Kratom Korner about Hirsuta and one of the mods, who apparently is a vendor, says it's hard to find real Hirsuta, he said that most test he gets on them shows up as having mitragynine in it...so, I'd really have to trust whom you get it from because that's not the first time I've heard that claim...Shaun from Fused Flora may be able to answer this because he actually has his stuff tested..

CatfatherB wrote:There was a post on Kratom Korner about Hirsuta and one of the mods, who apparently is a vendor, says it's hard to find real Hirsuta, he said that most test he gets on them shows up as having mitragynine in it...so, I'd really have to trust whom you get it from because that's not the first time I've heard that claim...Shaun from Fused Flora may be able to answer this because he actually has his stuff tested..

Yes, I agree. Out of like 20 or so batches of hirsuta I've got from Indonesia, only 2-3 were actually hirsuta. It's quite rare to find an actual batch of it. Just like strains, the Indonesians are extremely effective at marketing something as unique, only to find it is not.

It's not as strong as kratom. As a general rule, if I dose my typical kratom dose on a potential hirsuta and if I feel any effects, I can almost guarantee it's either cut with kratom or not hirsuta at all. It's expensive to get tested, after the first 5 test batches turning out to be kratom, I found that's about the best measure for me to tell, and even then it may still be just weak kratom Suppliers that have it will vary the drying methods and it is not consistent at all (Hirsuta is much harder to dry and can be dried any of the same methods as kratom and it is never delineated white, red or green hirsuta....). Most confronted Indonesias will tell me that it is common to use the Stem and Vein as hirsuta, as it gives them a good means to not waste the stem and vein that they already have. This would likely explain the muted kratom effects you've heard about.

I can't account for other's hirsuta, but I find my experience is often 1.5x-1.8x a regular kratom dose to feel anything, the effects are not as pronounced as kratom, and the ceiling is extremely low (i.e. a good dose of 3.5g turns into wobble city at 3.7g or potentiated 3.5g). I don't find muted affects after a break with hirsuta, but have heard this as well from others.

@fused flora, shaun, can you say the same for javanica as hirsuta, as far as it usually being kratom, weak kratom or s&v etc...or can u say that it is a more conisitent product?

flybye99928 wrote:@fused flora, shaun, can you say the same for javanica as hirsuta, as far as it usually being kratom, weak kratom or s&v etc...or can u say that it is a more conisitent product?

@fused flora, shaun, can you say the same for javanica as hirsuta, as far as it usually being kratom, weak kratom or s&v etc...or can u say that it is a more conisitent product?

flybye99928 wrote:

flybye99928 wrote:@fused flora, shaun, can you say the same for javanica as hirsuta, as far as it usually being kratom, weak kratom or s&v etc...or can u say that it is a more conisitent product?

@fused flora, shaun, can you say the same for javanica as hirsuta, as far as it usually being kratom, weak kratom or s&v etc...or can u say that it is a more conisitent product?

Javanica is a bit rare too. It grows in very different environmental conditions than kratom and hirsuta. It's common when speaking to Indonesians that they will not know what javanica is, then a day later will say "I have some now".... I haven't experienced kratom labeled as javanica as much as I have with hirsuta, but I don't shift vendors of it, as I don't experience the inconsistency issues I see with hirsuta. I'd wager to say it'd be much of the same, those guys will try to sell sand to desert nomads.

nice, thx for the info...i have some of your javanica, havent tried yet on its own but added a few g to my tnw, i noticed some subtle, pleasant effects, ill have to try it on its own

Most confronted Indonesias will tell me that it is common to use the Stem and Vein as hirsuta, as it gives them a good means to not waste the stem and vein that they already have. This would likely explain the muted kratom effects you've heard about.

I don't understand how this explains muted effects. The muted effects we are talking about is after being on hirsuta for so long that when we start kratom back up it has muted effects. So are you saying taking stem and vein will give you muted effects of kratom your taking?

Bc I've been thinking if I burn hirsuta then burn kratom and it has very muted effects that helps confirm it is hirsuta?

I just started using hirsuta for a taper I went from 30gpd down to 6gpd by substituting 1-2g of hirsuta. I've had 100s of different strains and the hirsuta I got from benni botanicals doesn't feel like anything I've ever tried. It almost compliments the kratom and makes me not want to dose again. I'm on week 3 of with the hirsuta kratom mix and I'm not feeling it nearly as much. I was feeling great the first 2 weeks even all the way down to 6gpd but now when I take a 1.5g dose mixed with 1.5g of hirsuta it doesnt do much. My plan was to quickly go down to only hirsuta for at least 3 days or as long as I could for some type if reset. But I'm stuck @ 6gpd of kratom or I feel shitty. I dont knowing this helps but it's my recent experience.

Edit: I also got javinca and Stem and vein to try but they both gave me head aches and made me feel off. Not quite wobbles but like heady or something.

Beastmode wrote:Most confronted Indonesias will tell me that it is common to use the Stem and Vein as hirsuta, as it gives them a good means to not waste the stem and vein that they already have. This would likely explain the muted kratom effects you've heard about.

I don't understand how this explains muted effects. The muted effects we are talking about is after being on hirsuta for so long that when we start kratom back up it has muted effects. So are you saying taking stem and vein will give you muted effects of kratom your taking?

Bc I've been thinking if I burn hirsuta then burn kratom and it has very muted effects that helps confirm it is hirsuta?

I'm not speaking towards taking hirsuta only, I thought that was clear. I'm speaking towards receiving what is either hirsuta cut with kratom and/or stem and vein labeled as hirsuta. I was saying that perhaps his/her experience mirrors my own, as most hirsuta I have received is not hirsuta.

For example, if one were expecting to take hirsuta and instead unknowingly were to take stem and vein or even hirsuta cut with kratom at a higher dose than their normal dose, then the next week one goes back to only kratom at their regular kratom dose or lower expecting tolerance to have dropped, one would expect to have tolerance issues. It's fair to say if you're taking things hitting the same receptors for weeks at 3g and start taking 4-5g of it, even if perhaps weaker, if one goes back after a time to 2.5g expecting a drop, one wouldn't feel like getting the same effects, I would call this "muted."

I totally understand what you are meaning now. Another reason for possible muted effects. Thanks for clearing this up and explaining to me Shaun. I have alot to learn still and very much appreciate your knowledge.

No worries, I'm glad to help, well if it does. It's so difficult to speak towards things over internet. I hate not being able to see facial understanding and emotions, it's frustrating to me sometimes.

sophala wrote:Wondering if anyone has any experience with Hirsuta and would be willing to share?

I was excited about Hirsuta because I've had some great experiences with Javanica (btw, anyone know a great vendor for Javanica?) and wanted to test the waters with a few other botanicals. So, I purchased Hirsuta on the fly from Soul's latest sale, but what I've been able to gather on Hirsuta so far doesn't bode so well. It seems like a few folks stopped feeling Kratom for a few days all together after taking Hirsuta. Also read that the proper amount is 15gs which seems pretty high to me.


Can anyone verify? Thank you!

I just got some good Hirsuta and Javanica last week. I find they are both great to use to blend with kratom so you can ultimately lower your kratom dose. If your normal kratom dose is 6 grams. You could try cutting it down to 4 grams. Then add 1 gram Hirsuta and 1 gram Javanica to bring it back to 6 grams weight. Do that for 6 days. On the 7th day, 4 grams of Kratom will hit like 6 grams did before. My GPD is about 15 grams. When it creeps up to 25-30 GPD, I’ll replace a portion with Hirsuta and/or Javanica to reset tolerance. Works great for me.