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Looking for the best place or places to order Javanica, hirsuta, akuamma, and kava. Would prefer to get them all at the same place if possible.

Fused Flora has all that, he carries blue lotus as well,pick up some kratom from him for when you're done with it..

So alot of fused Flora kratom doesn't work with my body chemistry, is all that stuff from the same supplier he uses for kratom? And the other thing I worry about, is his hirsuta pure? I know some people have hirsuta that is actually a&v kratom

Spencemastaflex wrote:So alot of fused Flora kratom doesn't work with my body chemistry, is all that stuff from the same supplier he uses for kratom? And the other thing I worry about, is his hirsuta pure? I know some people have hirsuta that is actually a&v kratom

Don't know about his supplier but if anyone has real Hirsuta and Javanica it would be him because he has it verified..

How much should I take of each of those? I ordered an oz of blue lotus too. What's Kanna like?

Spencemastaflex wrote:... Javanica, Hirsuta, akuamma, and kava ...

Personally for a T-Break I'd skip those bunk leaf products, and order: Agmatine | Cats Claw | Black Seed Oil.

There is a LOT of Agmatine knowledge on Reddit: Search Agmatine - yes much of this is anecdotes, observations, and theories of and inexact science. Trial and error.. Different people with various needs and situations, etc. But - welcome to Kratom! We are all dealing with many variables here..

BallzDeep9 wrote:

Spencemastaflex wrote:... Javanica, Hirsuta, akuamma, and kava ...

Personally for a T-Break I'd skip those bunk leaf products, and order: Agmatine | Cats Claw | Black Seed Oil.

There is a LOT of Agmatine knowledge on Reddit: Search Agmatine - yes much of this is anecdotes, observations, and theories of and inexact science. Trial and error.. Different people with various needs and situations, etc. But - welcome to Kratom! We are all dealing with many variables here..

Where do I get those?

All those can be purchased on Amazon. READ up on the Agmatine.. imo dose timing is important & usage will vary depending on your reasons for kratom.

I would add 3 more "Use with Caution" = Phenibut and Gabapentin and Cannabis.. each of those is powerful and should only be used after some research, as above, depends on why U use kratom. For example, IF you enjoy kratom for anxiolytic effect, then U prob should not smoke weed!! But try a quality CBD ... Gabapentin is non narcotic/ not a controlled substance, and works great for RLS. Phenibut is a RC and imo should only be used 1 day per week, but helps in a 3-day cold Break, sleep aid and also for RLS.

Using all these TOOLS, helps for a quick taper, or even a cold turkey kratom break - easy, doable and painless. Good Luck!

P.S. Remember your Goal! Even a short 2-3 days break, can re-set your receptors and make kratom feel fantastic AGAIN!!

Make sure it's Chinese Cats Claw, not the Peruvian type. Its said that the peruvian one doesnt work well for help with kratom tapering.

I like to take around 5-6g before bed because it helps stop any restlessness i might get in my shoulders/arms which helps me get to sleep. I get mine from Meridian Botanicals and it works very well, they also have Black Seed Oil.

BallzDeep9 wrote:All those can be purchased on Amazon. READ up on the Agmatine.. imo dose timing is important & usage will vary depending on your reasons for kratom.

I would add 3 more "Use with Caution" = Phenibut and Gabapentin and Cannabis.. each of those is powerful and should only be used after some research, as above, depends on why U use kratom. For example, IF you enjoy kratom for anxiolytic effect, then U prob should not smoke weed!! But try a quality CBD ... Gabapentin is non narcotic/ not a controlled substance, and works great for RLS. Phenibut is a RC and imo should only be used 1 day per week, but helps in a 3-day cold Break, sleep aid and also for RLS.

Using all these TOOLS, helps for a quick taper, or even a cold turkey kratom break - easy, doable and painless. Good Luck!

P.S. Remember your Goal! Even a short 2-3 days break, can re-set your receptors and make kratom feel fantastic AGAIN!!

Is there a way to get Gabapentin without a prescription?

BallzDeep9 wrote: Gabapentin is non narcotic/ not a controlled substance, and works great for RLS.

Just a heads up, Gabapentin (Neurontin) is on the block to be scheduled as a controlled substance later this year.

Burninator wrote:Is there a way to get Gabapentin without a prescription?

yes. Offshore Pharmacy - one of the best is All Day Chemist. I have posted elsewhere about ADC = Search "Gaba" LINK

IF Banana Pants is correct then, might wanna check em out.. Gabapentin the #1 solution for RLS. You can't buy a controlled substance online.

https://www.alldaychemist.com/catalogse ... lt/?q=gaba

Im curious as well where everyone gets their Chinese cats claw

https://meridianbotanicals.com/all-c-1/ ... -p-95.html

I would recommend buying the powder version instead of the whole hooks.

BallzDeep9 wrote:

Burninator wrote:Is there a way to get Gabapentin without a prescription?

yes. Offshore Pharmacy - one of the best is All Day Chemist. I have posted elsewhere about ADC = Search "Gaba" LINK

IF Banana Pants is correct then, might wanna check em out.. Gabapentin the #1 solution for RLS. You can't buy a controlled substance online.

https://www.alldaychemist.com/catalogse ... lt/?q=gaba

Word, thanks. I was actually prescribed Gabapentin for anxiety several years back and it worked wonders. Unfortunately I don’t have health insurance anymore.

Maengda12 wrote:.. curious as well where everyone gets their Chinese cats claw

By coincidence I'm drinking a cup of Chinese Cats Claw tea, right now! . Got mine from a West Coast chinese herbal shop.

Yes Meridian Botanicals is legit, however he's been swamped lately I guess w/ COVID.. also got some bulk Ashwagandha root from him.

I'm seriously considering an order from ADC. wanna try Memantine - look it up. NMDA antagonist, can reverse opioid tolerance. Has benefits for old people like me, memory enhancement.. not interested in huge doses for disso so ignore stoners on Reddit. Memantine is legit for tolerance, and might be preferred over ULDN.

I experimented around with memantine several years back, but for depression not anything opioid related. I couldn’t get past the brain fog.. also, ended up experiencing, yes, some uncomfortable dissociation.

But I was actually thinking of posting a thread about ULDN. I’ve had some on my shelf for a while and keep meaning to try it out again but always forget. Do you (or anyone) have experience with it?

It looks like meridian has everything I need. How's their kratom? Which kava should I get??

I've been ordering from him for over 7 years, all his herbs & blends are legit. Cant go wrong with anything, especially his special herbal blends he formulated himself. I used to test them for him before release on his site and also used to test Kratom strains for him years ago. The kratom he supplies has always been great, i still have some Green Thai, Yellow Thai, and some awesome Indigo Malay in my stash from several years ago.

Keep in mind, he has a small operation so it will take orders a while to ship out. I got a order from them a few months ago and it took about a week to ship out. This is not Amazon Prime so dont expect that. Dont order if you are needing anything ASAP because you'll have a short wait, but like many people need to learn in life...good things come to those who wait!

Last i got from him was some Sida Cordifolia seed (goes great with green tea), Mucuna powder (also great with green tea), Chinese Cats Claw, Rainforest Clarity blend and his Mayan Chocolate blend which is so awesome! Tastes amazing! I love to mix a few grams of Kratom into it.

SanPedroLover wrote:I've been ordering from him for over 7 years, all his herbs & blends are legit. Cant go wrong with anything, especially his special herbal blends he formulated himself. I used to test them for him before release on his site and also used to test Kratom strains for him years ago. The kratom he supplies has always been great, i still have some Green Thai, Yellow Thai, and some awesome Indigo Malay in my stash from several years ago.

Keep in mind, he has a small operation so it will take orders a while to ship out. I got a order from them a few months ago and it took about a week to ship out. This is not Amazon Prime so dont expect that. Dont order if you are needing anything ASAP because you'll have a short wait, but like many people need to learn in life...good things come to those who wait!

Last i got from him was some Sida Cordifolia seed (goes great with green tea), Mucuna powder (also great with green tea), Chinese Cats Claw, Rainforest Clarity blend and his Mayan Chocolate blend which is so awesome! Tastes amazing! I love to mix a few grams of Kratom into it.

Interesting. It looks like he's got a few different kavas. U know what each one is like?

www.nootrooicsdepot.com has some good stuff. So does liftmode.com. just avoid the phenibut!

Damen ck wrote:http://www.nootrooicsdepot.com has some good stuff. So does liftmode.com. just avoid the phenibut!

The nootropics link didn't work :/

Damen ck wrote:... So does liftmode.com. just avoid the phenibut!

yes. Liftmode is a great source, however many things are competitive so check prices.. But imo he's the #1 source for Phenibut.. Liftmode's FAA phenibut is the most pure and unique product out there.. for those who wanna try or dabble. Just make sure to USE a milligram scale, start "slow and low" as they say.

Meridian's Egyptian Chocolate blend is 1 of my favorites, does make a nice cup mixed with some cocoa, u could mix a lil' coffee in for Mocha (I get the Starbucks Columbian micro Instant,) and yes.. I'd swear there is some potentiation effect, when drinking a cup like 20 min. before your kratom serving!!

In fact, there was a Reddit post 3 years ago about this! LINK Meridian Post

There is some great info in this thread, so thanks to everyone who's posted.

Quick question though because I don't think it warrants it's own thread- would subs be counter productive to use for a 3 day tolerance break?

edit - I mean counter productive in the way of tolerance. Obviously stepping back on hard drugs is not a productive life choice, even if only for a couple days lol

gopher wrote:There is some great info in this thread, so thanks to everyone who's posted.

Quick question though because I don't think it warrants it's own thread- would subs be counter productive to use for a 3 day tolerance break?

edit - I mean counter productive in the way of tolerance. Obviously stepping back on hard drugs is not a productive life choice, even if only for a couple days lol

Yes imho without a doubt counter productive!! To me.... there is absolutely no way or no reason for subs to be included in thos type of category of supplies! Switching to subs for 3 days would do 3000x more harm than good I'd say....

NOW Cat's Claw
FreshField Black Seed Oil
Bulk Supplements Agmatine Sulfate
NOW Magtein
(magnesium drinks too - lots of good sources)

I recommend ordering Agmatine Sulfate along with Ascorbic Acid from Bulk Supplements for kratom regulars.

Ascorbic acid is pure vitamin C. Before I prepare kratom tea I mix the kratom with lemon juice & ascorbic acid. I find this combo works really well to break down the kratom leaf and it kicks in very quickly (nearly immediately). Plus tastes great mixed with some cayenne pepper and maple syrup or honey.

acejestyr15 wrote: Yes imho without a doubt counter productive!! To me.... there is absolutely no way or no reason for subs to be included in thos type of category of supplies! Switching to subs for 3 days would do 3000x more harm than good I'd say....

As far as I can tell there doesn't seem to be much of a cross tolerance though, so wouldn't it effectively be a 3 day break from mitro and 7ohm and all the rest of kratoms alks that are building tolerance, just without the w/d symptoms? I did subs for a little over a week a while ago instead of kratom and to be honest, I felt a little crap the first day. I'm guessing it has to do with full vs partial agonist. When I started back on kratom it seemed like my tolerance was substantially lower, but I really didn't pay enough attention at the time. And I did have a slight w/d headache for a day, so the fact that I felt a slight w/d both times switching from one to the other tells me they're probably hitting receptors differently enough to potentially not have much if any cross tolerance, which would give bupe a certain amount of utility in regards to a tolerance break. I am saying that to be conditionally true for my own situation, and can't agree more that advocating such a thing would be regressive and damaging if made as a general statement.