My new case for extract usage

[Back2K]

So I made a post earlier about how I bought OPMS and it worked GREAT, and how I also think Phytoextractum gold elite and also kind of gold reserve is comparable to OPMS, but half the price. And then an even slightly cheaper and almost as effective extract is the Bali 20x Iamshaman/shamansgarden extract. I’ll have a review for that this Sunday though.

I was very worried this morning about my extract use as I wanted to be on a low dose of plain leaf, but at this time, plain leaf just isn’t hitting much for me. Only a few strains of botanical bunny had been. I also didn’t have a scale which is also apparently somehow being delivered on Sunday, so I can finally do proper doses once it arrives. But my new case for extract usage is that with plain leaf you have more of a ceiling. A nice mitragynine extract can enhance it to the “next level” without to much unwanted effects, and I have to say, plain leaf only works for me for about an hour at most, but when I take 0.85 grams of extract mixed with 2 grams of plain leaf (I do have a few capsules of plain leaf left that I CAN take an accurate dosage with) it lasts ALL DAY BABY! So I can only take Kratom ONCE a day, which I think is better on your tolerance than taking plain leaf multiple times a day.

I then also found last night I can take Kava and fall asleep like a baby. I also woke up still feeling the effects of the Kava, and my only withdrawal symptom is a runny nose at the moment. I woke up yesterday with my pupils the size of a tea saucer, cold, shaky, triple sneezes, even worse runny nose, unable to barely breathe, and it was awful. My stomach even started hurting. For reference for anyone who does not know, I am coming off of a 3.5 year suboxone treatment.

This is my case for extract usage if done responsibly. And I am trying to be more responsible than ever.

[MycatTimmy]

Glad you found a method that’s helping you to get off suboxone. Good luck and please keep us posted. Your posts may very well help the next guy to manage a tolerable detox

[CatfatherB]

I also used extracts for the first week or so after quitting my Norco/morphine habit (prescription)..thing was, I just finished off my pills the night before and wasn't in a position to take a few days off work, the first think I did was down a tincture, stuff was like rocket fuel! I couldn't believe I made it all day through work only taking that tincture and periodically eating some kratom caps during break times, I was telling all my pill head buddies about this magical leaf that I was on, while they were looking at me with one raised eyebrow like I had a booger between my eyes, lol..either way, I haven't craved a pill ever since, I'm glad those tinctures were good enough to show me I didn't need those pills, I wouldn't recommend that you take them past your withdrawal phase though...whatever works! Keep on keepin' on!

[Lnr9400]

I actually purchased some opms gold last night after reading your review because I'm currently still on a low dose of suboxone and terrified it's gonna hit me like a ton of bricks when I stop completely. How low did you taper your sub dose before stopping completely? And with the opms gold will one capsule along with some good leaf be enough to stop wds?

[Back2K]

I actually purchased some opms gold last night after reading your review because I'm currently still on a low dose of suboxone and terrified it's gonna hit me like a ton of bricks when I stop completely. How low did you taper your sub dose before stopping completely? And with the opms gold will one capsule along with some good leaf be enough to stop wds?

I took OPMS gold once when I was still on subs, didn’t feel anything. I COULD KIND OF feel plain leaf though, which was weird! The extracts started working for me really good about 2-3 days after I stopped taking subs, since it has such a long half life.

So I recommend stopping the subs, taking small doses lke 3 grams of plain leaf for the next 48-72 hours, and then yes, one opms capsule with 3-5 grams of plain leaf on the third day will not only stop your withdrawal, but give you a nice buzz too. Don’t take more than one or for the love of God two.. they are really strong. I quit subs at 2mg twice a day. Good luck and sorry for late reply.

You should order some gold elite tablets or capsules from Phyto and some instant hawaiian kava for night time as well. It’s 90% as good as OPMS, but half the price. You get 10 for 40$ as opposed to 3 for 30$.

[Back2K]

I also used extracts for the first week or so after quitting my Norco/morphine habit (prescription)..thing was, I just finished off my pills the night before and wasn't in a position to take a few days off work, the first think I did was down a tincture, stuff was like rocket fuel! I couldn't believe I made it all day through work only taking that tincture and periodically eating some kratom caps during break times, I was telling all my pill head buddies about this magical leaf that I was on, while they were looking at me with one raised eyebrow like I had a booger between my eyes, lol..either way, I haven't craved a pill ever since, I'm glad those tinctures were good enough to show me I didn't need those pills, I wouldn't recommend that you take them past your withdrawal phase though...whatever works! Keep on keepin' on!

Thank you!

[Back2K]

Glad you found a method that’s helping you to get off suboxone. Good luck and please keep us posted. Your posts may very well help the next guy to manage a tolerable detox

Thanks I’ll def keep updated. Loving the Hawaiian instant Kava tonight and Im going to be brave tomorrow and give my receptors a break and try plain leaf only

[Klyded]

I'm glad those tinctures were good enough to show me I didn't need those pills, I wouldn't recommend that you take them past your withdrawal phase though...whatever works! Keep on keepin' on!

That sums it up right there ^^ All the wisdom you need about extract!!



The thing about Kratom is, much like anything else that scratches that "itch", your playing a game of relativity. And for most of us, I am certain, that is a game that is NOT easily won. You're experience/comfort is always somewhat relative to what you condition yourself for and it's way to easy to consistently aim higher/greater/better.

Extract has it's place when you really need THAT degree of better

If extract is already the meat-suit standard, you've just restricted the potential of leaf. Granted you can just continually rotate strengths and varieties but even still, you are selling yourself short of the experience and efficacy the plant can offer.

Make standard leaf the "norm" and then BOOM- extract has it's place and it is still a beautiful place to be.

CASE AND POINT: I have not taken extract since I shot myself in the finger with a high-impact piercing-tip pellet from an air gun. It hit the middle of my finger and smashed the bone and knuckle, causing a severe break of bone and connective tissue. Yes I am an idiot- I did shoot MYSELF in the finger an accident with the it. But extract WORKED to get me through that. I didn't have to take anything else whatsoever. But I certainly DID need something on top of the standard kratom dosage.

The takeaway is, use extract only when you need to...

...which it sounds like you are doing OP. Follows CatfatherB's wise words. Subs are the fucking worst, friend- don't look back.

also, @Back2k
THE KAVA NOTE: Watch if you get too acquainted with the Kava-LOL!! I was using it habitually to get through a rough patch and got real into ordering all sorts until I fell in love with a "Solomon-something-or other" from Nakamal at Home.... That rerverse tolerance truly is a crazy thing.. after a couple months it felt like I was walking around on goddamn neptune or something!! Took so long to come back to orbit I haven't touched it since (years)

Finally, I highly suggest you get acquainted with making you're own extract. For as much as a pain in the dick it could be, when you start nailing it, it is waaaay more enjoyable if you wanna keep that type of thing around and in rotation/reserve. Perfect use for cruddy leaf you have lying around you don't wanna swallow- sometimes it makes for a really decent concentrate.

[MycatTimmy]

Have you made your own extracts Klyded ? If so would you post a recipe ? I’ve got a fair amount of leaf that just doesn’t do it for me and I would love to try making extracts with it.

[Back2K]

I'm glad those tinctures were good enough to show me I didn't need those pills, I wouldn't recommend that you take them past your withdrawal phase though...whatever works! Keep on keepin' on!

That sums it up right there ^^ All the wisdom you need about extract!!



The thing about Kratom is, much like anything else that scratches that "itch", your playing a game of relativity. And for most of us, I am certain, that is a game that is NOT easily won. You're experience/comfort is always somewhat relative to what you condition yourself for and it's way to easy to consistently aim higher/greater/better.

Extract has it's place when you really need THAT degree of better

If extract is already the meat-suit standard, you've just restricted the potential of leaf. Granted you can just continually rotate strengths and varieties but even still, you are selling yourself short of the experience and efficacy the plant can offer.

Make standard leaf the "norm" and then BOOM- extract has it's place and it is still a beautiful place to be.

CASE AND POINT: I have not taken extract since I shot myself in the finger with a high-impact piercing-tip pellet from an air gun. It hit the middle of my finger and smashed the bone and knuckle, causing a severe break of bone and connective tissue. Yes I am an idiot- I did shoot MYSELF in the finger an accident with the it. But extract WORKED to get me through that. I didn't have to take anything else whatsoever. But I certainly DID need something on top of the standard kratom dosage.

The takeaway is, use extract only when you need to...

...which it sounds like you are doing OP. Follows CatfatherB's wise words. Subs are the fucking worst, friend- don't look back.

also, @Back2k
THE KAVA NOTE: Watch if you get too acquainted with the Kava-LOL!! I was using it habitually to get through a rough patch and got real into ordering all sorts until I fell in love with a "Solomon-something-or other" from Nakamal at Home.... That rerverse tolerance truly is a crazy thing.. after a couple months it felt like I was walking around on goddamn neptune or something!! Took so long to come back to orbit I haven't touched it since (years)

Finally, I highly suggest you get acquainted with making you're own extract. For as much as a pain in the dick it could be, when you start nailing it, it is waaaay more enjoyable if you wanna keep that type of thing around and in rotation/reserve. Perfect use for cruddy leaf you have lying around you don't wanna swallow- sometimes it makes for a really decent concentrate.

Awesome comment! Also, I made extract a long time ago once by simmering 100 grams of powder into lke 4 cups of water with lemon, straining, then putting it into a wide pan in the oven at 150 until the water evaporated. It worked to make it stronger, but it also still had a lot of the bad effects of Kratom. I’d like to figure out how these guys make a non-FSE extract!

[MycatTimmy]

I wonder if liquid extracts would be easier to make ?

[Back2K]

I'm glad those tinctures were good enough to show me I didn't need those pills, I wouldn't recommend that you take them past your withdrawal phase though...whatever works! Keep on keepin' on!

That sums it up right there ^^ All the wisdom you need about extract!!



The thing about Kratom is, much like anything else that scratches that "itch", your playing a game of relativity. And for most of us, I am certain, that is a game that is NOT easily won. You're experience/comfort is always somewhat relative to what you condition yourself for and it's way to easy to consistently aim higher/greater/better.

Extract has it's place when you really need THAT degree of better

If extract is already the meat-suit standard, you've just restricted the potential of leaf. Granted you can just continually rotate strengths and varieties but even still, you are selling yourself short of the experience and efficacy the plant can offer.

Make standard leaf the "norm" and then BOOM- extract has it's place and it is still a beautiful place to be.

CASE AND POINT: I have not taken extract since I shot myself in the finger with a high-impact piercing-tip pellet from an air gun. It hit the middle of my finger and smashed the bone and knuckle, causing a severe break of bone and connective tissue. Yes I am an idiot- I did shoot MYSELF in the finger an accident with the it. But extract WORKED to get me through that. I didn't have to take anything else whatsoever. But I certainly DID need something on top of the standard kratom dosage.

The takeaway is, use extract only when you need to...

...which it sounds like you are doing OP. Follows CatfatherB's wise words. Subs are the fucking worst, friend- don't look back.

also, @Back2k
THE KAVA NOTE: Watch if you get too acquainted with the Kava-LOL!! I was using it habitually to get through a rough patch and got real into ordering all sorts until I fell in love with a "Solomon-something-or other" from Nakamal at Home.... That rerverse tolerance truly is a crazy thing.. after a couple months it felt like I was walking around on goddamn neptune or something!! Took so long to come back to orbit I haven't touched it since (years)

Finally, I highly suggest you get acquainted with making you're own extract. For as much as a pain in the dick it could be, when you start nailing it, it is waaaay more enjoyable if you wanna keep that type of thing around and in rotation/reserve. Perfect use for cruddy leaf you have lying around you don't wanna swallow- sometimes it makes for a really decent concentrate.

Yeah. I took some green hulu this morning and it’s hitting for me. I find normal kratom leaf to have all different kinds of properties, energy, light to moderate euphoria, different body feelings that are really nice. But the better extracts seem to essentially be pure mitragynine that has a more “classic” euphoria to it, if you know what I mean. I do love plain kratom though. It’s the way to go on the long road.

[BigD]

that's what I was thinking!

[HouseDogPartyFavor]

Just wanting to let you know getting off sub can be done. Not easily but you can do it. I went to a Dr for 2 years and even wound up being a group leader (we had to attend 1 group meeting a month). I was taking 2 a day about the 1st year and a half then went down to 1 the last. I went down to 1/4 the last few months saving what I didn't take so I could ween myself off. That last 1/4 was the hardest. Then one day I I thought it's gonna be a long week but I can stop. That was 4 years ago. You can do this, it's just not easy but the wd will go away, I promise. I take kratom every day and have been using maca powder too for a while and drink plenty of water. Be proud of yourself and remember sometimes you have to fight a dragon to get to the treasure!

[Klyded]

Just wanting to let you know getting off sub can be done. Not easily but you can do it. I went to a Dr for 2 years and even wound up being a group leader (we had to attend 1 group meeting a month). I was taking 2 a day about the 1st year and a half then went down to 1 the last. I went down to 1/4 the last few months saving what I didn't take so I could ween myself off. That last 1/4 was the hardest. Then one day I I thought it's gonna be a long week but I can stop. That was 4 years ago. You can do this, it's just not easy but the wd will go away, I promise. I take k every day and have been using macca powder too for a while and drink plenty of water. Be proud of yourself and remember sometimes you have to fight a dragon to get to the treasure!

I'll chime in again to second the "can be done notion". Went cold Turkey 12 years ago (2-4 daily) and didnt touch kratom or ANYTHING for 8 years or so. Brutal as it was, best thing I ever did.

[conscious_conundrum]

Thought I would add that taking kava regularly will mess up your burns for a while. It has a way of potentiating kratom that screws with tolerance. And it usually takes a whole week of no kava to get the magic from kratom back.....