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And any other tolerance reduction tips that seem to work well? Been only at it for 17 days now. Worked fine until about 3 days ago, and now only TFH leaf hits for me, and I’m scared to use it as that is my last resort. Even the extracts don’t work anymore. I’m barely getting a caffeine buzz from something that would have given me the wobbles a week ago.

Thankfully I’m just about out of extract and don’t plan on buying more. And I am using Kratom to stop sub withdrawals, but I may be willing to suffer for 3 days or so if that would “bring the magic back?”

Also, would it count if I took only 1 gram twice a day or something? Like say I take 1 gram twice a day so as fk stave off the worst of the withdrawals in the body, but I don’t really get any mental effects, would that be almost the same as just stopping completely for a few days when it comes to tolerance? Any help/other tips appreciated.

You probably already know what your problem is, high consumption of extracts. Generally accepted wisdom is that extracts wreck your tolerance. Of course, that's all anecdotal but my experience seems to support it. I've found that skipping every second or third day helps to keep the burns good. I take a couple of capsules of regular leaf a couple of times on most skip days to relieve the cravings. The capsules are a new thing for me and seem to not impair the beneficial effect on tolerance of skipping a day and help tremendously with the craving and physical discomfort of off days.

17 days off subs your withdrawals should be minimal if any at all, at least I was in the clear by then. I'd take at least 3 days using the bare minimum of leaf to get you by, or try to go a day or two without taking anything.
The extracts will build your tolerance to plain leaf fast. All you can really do is to cut back as much as possible or take a complete break for a few days at least.

Stop using extracts... sorry but that is the answer here.

-stop using extracts
-use stem n vein (current godsend for me) mixed with regular potent plain leaf kratom 50/50 ratio, maybe 25/75 since you've been on extracts.
-keep tapering from plain leaf kratom and use more stem n vein

you're basically tapering from extract to plain leaf to stem n vein. its a great method and i'm currently doing this minus the extract and have minimal discomfort. might take you a little to find the right ratio.