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First time buying from Benni'. Also I'm new to DoubleM and I'm so excited to be here as I've learned a lot, realized there is so many more that understand the struggles and the joys of kratom as I do. I've also been checking out MeWe. Got an order from TFH coming in and cant wait to try that!

I'm 29 and healthy. I've been dosing 3x daily for over a year and a half. Currently at about 5grams per dose. Sometimes less, and sometimes not as frequent. Started with head shop stuff; Remarkable Herbs, OPMS, Njoy, BumbleBee, for about 6 months until I discovered the plethera of kratom online. It's been a journey ever since, from Coastline, to BuyBulkKratomUSA, The Evergreen Tree, Shop Ketum. All are good the first few doses, but eventually lead to the infamous wobbles, and headaches, and just feeling like crap. Now, Happy Hippo was amazing. Specifically the Elite Hippo (Green Maeng Da). It felt amazing, and after redosing and taking more than normal I NEVER got the wobbles from there stuff. There's a few vendors that no matter how much I take I just don't get wobbles, yet some others I will, even if it's a touch more in the dose. I drink plenty of water too (bc Ive heard the dehydration theory)

Also, my fiance feels the exact same way from this stuff. So I find it hard to believe it's my chemistry or tolerance. It's gotta be the product! I mean TFH wrote a great thread on the realities of the industry over there in SE Asia and most of the kratom is not dried or handled up to what it should be so mold or something has to be more common than we think!

I am very dissapointed after hearing many good reviews on Benni's, and 13 different strains gave me wobbles at very low doses. Tried "less is more" and at that amount it does nothing for me. I dread even taking it at this point and can't afford anything else at the moment so I can't wait for my TFH to come through!

I've read some interesting articles on here about if the wobbles comes from mold, which is my personal opinion. But I could see it being an unknown alkaloidd as well.

Anyone else experience this with Benni's lately? All of my stuff was from 5120 batch or 6120 batch. What are some great vendors that have never given you wobbles? Consistent vendors??? I trust most of your opinion and judgement. I have a few in mind after much reading; Mitraman, Inland Botanicals, Lisa's, to name a few. It's good to see some vendors on here take all of the farming and harvesting very seriously and oversee so much. It's important while this plant is unregulated.

Please any thoughts on the wobbles situation with Benni's or any other for that matter is appreciated. Also don't forget to drop some of your most trusted go-to vendors!

Hi humbles:

What a journey indeed. Wobbles are NOT good. All the same, I'm not sure what to recommend because it sounds like you have already found your answer:

Now, Happy Hippo was amazing. Specifically the Elite Hippo (Green Maeng Da). It felt amazing, and after redosing and taking more than normal I NEVER got the wobbles from there stuff.

Amazing!!! Happy Hippo looks like your Go-To perfect leaf! No more wobbles! Here's hoping that Happy Hippo continues to work for you!!!

humbles2390 wrote:First time buying from Benni'. Also I'm new to DoubleM and I'm so excited to be here as I've learned a lot, realized there is so many more that understand the struggles and the joys of kratom as I do. I've also been checking out MeWe. Got an order from TFH coming in and cant wait to try that!

I'm 29 and healthy. I've been dosing 3x daily for over a year and a half. Currently at about 5grams per dose. Sometimes less, and sometimes not as frequent. Started with head shop stuff; Remarkable Herbs, OPMS, Njoy, BumbleBee, for about 6 months until I discovered the plethera of kratom online. It's been a journey ever since, from Coastline, to BuyBulkKratomUSA, The Evergreen Tree, Shop Ketum. All are good the first few doses, but eventually lead to the infamous wobbles, and headaches, and just feeling like crap. Now, Happy Hippo was amazing. Specifically the Elite Hippo (Green Maeng Da). It felt amazing, and after redosing and taking more than normal I NEVER got the wobbles from there stuff. There's a few vendors that no matter how much I take I just don't get wobbles, yet some others I will, even if it's a touch more in the dose. I drink plenty of water too (bc Ive heard the dehydration theory)

Also, my fiance feels the exact same way from this stuff. So I find it hard to believe it's my chemistry or tolerance. It's gotta be the product! I mean TFH wrote a great thread on the realities of the industry over there in SE Asia and most of the kratom is not dried or handled up to what it should be so mold or something has to be more common than we think!

I am very dissapointed after hearing many good reviews on Benni's, and 13 different strains gave me wobbles at very low doses. Tried "less is more" and at that amount it does nothing for me. I dread even taking it at this point and can't afford anything else at the moment so I can't wait for my TFH to come through!

I've read some interesting articles on here about if the wobbles comes from mold, which is my personal opinion. But I could see it being an unknown alkaloidd as well.

Anyone else experience this with Benni's lately? All of my stuff was from 5120 batch or 6120 batch. What are some great vendors that have never given you wobbles? Consistent vendors??? I trust most of your opinion and judgement. I have a few in mind after much reading; Mitraman, Inland Botanicals, Lisa's, to name a few. It's good to see some vendors on here take all of the farming and harvesting very seriously and oversee so much. It's important while this plant is unregulated.

Please any thoughts on the wobbles situation with Benni's or any other for that matter is appreciated. Also don't forget to drop some of your most trusted go-to vendors!

Interesting, I have never had an issue with Benni's leaf. I have about 10 different strains that I rotate (2120, 4120 & 5120 Batches) that I would consider to be good Kratom. I think you will find a lot of people on this board that have had good experiences with Benni's strains. Personally, I don't get the wobbles unless I take too much of a strain that is potent. There are a number of good small batch vendors that provide good quality Kratom. My top 5 are Soultanic Greenery, TFH, Denette 615, Mitraman and Fused Flora. There are a number of other good quality vendors out there (Liza, 7OHM, Benni's, Lucky Herbals etc) Kratom can be "tricky" and a lot of it has to do with a persons body chemistry. You just have to find what works for you. Good Luck in your search.

We are similar in many ways - 29, similar dosing levels, and previously used only Happy Hippo,I really like Happy Hippo but once my usage increased it was too expensive

No experience with Benni, but I highly recommend Mitraman, especially his Premium MD and Red Horn. Currently has a discount for New Customers too. I've also had good luck with TFH and Denette-615..

I've never had any luck with Benni's leaf, even though I like everything else about him.....great customer service, fast (and secure; love those boxes) shipping, really appealing packaging, and an overall great vibe. Most of the "strains" / batches I've tried were from either very late 2019 or early 2020; I probably started reading about them months before then and am wondering if I just caught him with newer, inferior batches. Don't know. I don't ever get the wobbles from it (I dose around 3g, 2-3x per day); I just get nothing and my tolerance was and is fine....I feel great with my fave vendors (TFH, Bunny, and Smiley). I haven't chucked what I have, but have a bunch of 100g bags that I'll probably dip into one more time at some point, just to give them another chance.

Appreciate the feedback and experience. I would totally stick with Happy Hippo but like stantheman said it's too expensive! He took the words right out of my mouth. If I had the fund to be able to afford 230$ a kilo than I would. But I can't! LOL. Plus I have faith there is stuff out there that is as good or better for half that price at least.

I've also done a lot of reading mostly from threads here, but also MeWe has been helpful. But what put the nail in the coffin was your guys few vendors because it just solidified what I've already learned about them. MitraMan is probably my next go to for sure. But I'll keep shopping around.

Still wish we could figure out the wobbles though....

I recently purchased ~12 strains from Benni and they have seriously been consistently great. No exaggeration- all better than average. Benni rigorously tests his leaf both quality and lab tests. Have you reached out to Benni to discuss this? It could be that its so potent that you're taking too big of a serving. I haven't had wobbles one time from any of it. His customer service is as good as it comes. Reach out to him.

I’m sorry, but I don’t see 13 of Benni’s batches all giving you the wobbles. That sounds like a personal chemistry issue, you may wanna get checked out by the doctor. Also, I rarely get the wobbles anymore, but every once in a while, if something wobbles me at various doses, small and large, I always reach out to the vendor directly first to let them know. Usually it’s an unbalanced batch. 13 out of 13 just seems that it’s impossible, and if it did happen, it’s not likely it’s a leaf. I’ve heard fantastic reviews of Benni recently from trusted friends, and I’ve heard mediocre reviews of his leaf from others (one mans floor is another mans ceiling, the plant is weird and wonderful) and don’t take this the wrong way, but It also sounds like you love Happy Hippo, so if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Shouldn’t this post be in Kratom Vendor Reviews as well? Seemed like a review of Happy Hippo, No?
Some other vendors you may wanna see if it meshes well with your chemistry are Fused Flora, Lucky Herbals, HeavenLeaf, Rhino Remedies, Leaves of Eden, Soultanic, Mitra Man, tons on MeWe and in the community (TFH obviously but sounds like you’re already on that)

MorriesWigs80 wrote: Seemed like a review of Happy Hippo, No?

I'm not quite sure what it is. But I'm watching it!

I have never gotten wobbles from benni, and actually i have never gotten wobbles since lowering my dose to under 20 gpd.

now days if a dose is stronger than im used to, i just get tired AF, take a 20 minute nap, wake up feeling refreshed lol

herbalhippie wrote:

MorriesWigs80 wrote: Seemed like a review of Happy Hippo, No?

I'm not quite sure what it is. But I'm watching it!

Lol, Yeah, after the:

Now, Happy Hippo was amazing. Specifically the Elite Hippo (Green Maeng Da). It felt amazing, and after redosing and taking more than normal I NEVER got the wobbles from there stuff.

I didn't know what else the OP wanted. Boom! Hippo GOOD. Bennie BAD. And always double-plus good when the husband/wife/ girlfriend/fiance loves it too. Guess I'm not very good at sarcasm. After the last HH thread on MM, Happy Hippo was "weighed and measured and found wanting" as the saying goes. Have to give the OP some credit for burying the lede: Benni's leaf is a disaster, but Happy Hippo "was amazing Specifically the Elite Hippo (Green Maeng Da). It felt amazing,...". That's a lot of amazing. Good, you found your Unicorn; can we stop flailing Benni now?

humbles2390 wrote:Appreciate the feedback and experience. I would totally stick with Happy Hippo but like stantheman said it's too expensive! He took the words right out of my mouth. If I had the fund to be able to afford 230$ a kilo than I would. But I can't! LOL. Plus I have faith there is stuff out there that is as good or better for half that price at least.

I've also done a lot of reading mostly from threads here, but also MeWe has been helpful. But what put the nail in the coffin was your guys few vendors because it just solidified what I've already learned about them. MitraMan is probably my next go to for sure. But I'll keep shopping around.

Still wish we could figure out the wobbles though....

Try boiling your doses/making tea....

Yeah good guy. Caring. Fast.

But 13/13 bags
Well 12/13. Completely sucked. Just being real.

KurtisCards wrote:I have never gotten wobbles from benni, and actually i have never gotten wobbles since lowering my dose to under 20 gpd.

now days if a dose is stronger than im used to, i just get tired AF, take a 20 minute nap, wake up feeling refreshed lol

Same here, I haven't had wobbles in a long time.

Legit i have probably 30 bags from benni ranging to a few recent batches all the way back to last years dry season and everywhere in between. I have only gotten the wobbles off of one specific dry season batch of red Bali from June of last year. Otherwise his stuff has always done me right. There’s been a few that i didn’t get a lot out of and they weren’t what i was looking for, but they weren’t bunk and Didn’t give the wobbles. I do have a friend who orders from him that said the most recent super red malay wobbled him out hard (experiences user so not from taking it wrong) but otherwise him, me, my girlfriend, and another friend of mine all regularly use bennis leaf with no issues.

Maybe try out smiley, lucky, mitraman, or fused flora. I’ve had good luck with all of those guys. Great people behind the brands as well.

WeAllFloatHere7 wrote:Legit i have probably 30 bags from benni ranging to a few recent batches all the way back to last years dry season and everywhere in between. I have only gotten the wobbles off of one specific dry season batch of red Bali from June of last year. Otherwise his stuff has always done me right. There’s been a few that i didn’t get a lot out of and they weren’t what i was looking for, but they weren’t bunk and Didn’t give the wobbles. I do have a friend who orders from him that said the most recent super red malay wobbled him out hard (experiences user so not from taking it wrong) but otherwise him, me, my girlfriend, and another friend of mine all regularly use bennis leaf with no issues.

Maybe try out smiley, lucky, mitraman, or fused flora. I’ve had good luck with all of those guys. Great people behind the brands as well.

I think I had that red Bali, I took my regular dose and it slapped pretty hard the first time I took it...

Since Bennis has a proven track record for being tested and great quality, and you are a daily user, you may have taken it at a time some alkaloids built up in your system.

Try a smaller dose and take it after eating a bit. It will slow down the metabolism of the Kratom so it doesn’t hit you all at once.

humbles2390 wrote:First time buying from Benni'. Also I'm new to DoubleM ... don't forget to drop some of your most trusted go-to vendors!

Welcome!! Might wanna check out ~ All Natural, Kraydo, Okie, and Treasure House ~ those vendors import direct from Indo & have more experience than Benni, understand Quality and, more professional than Mewe chat room sellers.. just a few thoughts. And of course Smiley Time lol https://saidit.net/s/KratomVendors/comm ... ring_2020/

Drop that stuff off at the trading post, you’re not stuck with it. I bet it doesn’t last 2 days

BallzDeep9 wrote:

humbles2390 wrote:First time buying from Benni'. Also I'm new to DoubleM ... don't forget to drop some of your most trusted go-to vendors!

Welcome!! Might wanna check out ~ All Natural, Kraydo, Okie, and Treasure House ~ those vendors import direct from Indo & have more experience than Benni, understand Quality and, more professional than Mewe chat room sellers.. just a few thoughts. And of course Smiley Time lol https://saidit.net/s/KratomVendors/comm ... ring_2020/

Kraydo is no joke. I have some old 2018 batches from them sitting around that are pretty fire!

Welcome!! Might wanna check out ~ All Natural, Kraydo, Okie, and Treasure House ~ those vendors import direct from Indo & have more experience than Benni, understand Quality and, more professional than Mewe chat room sellers.. just a few thoughts. And of course Smiley Time lol https://saidit.net/s/KratomVendors/comm ... ring_2020/[/quote]

Kraydo is no joke. I have some old 2018 batches from them sitting around that are pretty fire![/quote]

My next order will be from one of these! For the record I did reach out to Benni' and he was super cool about it. Im in the process of lowering my intake and maybe that'll help if I try him out again. There's a lot of vendors with high praise from many of you!

In the mean time, my TFH order came on Friday and I've been dabbling in a few different strains of theirs. I'm newish to leaving reviews but I'll take a stab after a few more days. Also love to hear others experiences. I received 30year Wild Super Green, 30year Wild White TFH, Red Horn Reserve, and Green Jongkong. Also they threw me a sample of Sun Dried Relaxing Red

humbles2390 wrote:Welcome!! Might wanna check out ~ All Natural, Kraydo, Okie, and Treasure House ~ those vendors import direct from Indo & have more experience than Benni, understand Quality and, more professional than Mewe chat room sellers.. just a few thoughts. And of course Smiley Time lol https://saidit.net/s/KratomVendors/comm ... ring_2020/

Kraydo is no joke. I have some old 2018 batches from them sitting around that are pretty fire![/quote]

My next order will be from one of these! For the record I did reach out to Benni' and he was super cool about it. Im in the process of lowering my intake and maybe that'll help if I try him out again. There's a lot of vendors with high praise from many of you!

In the mean time, my TFH order came on Friday and I've been dabbling in a few different strains of theirs. I'm newish to leaving reviews but I'll take a stab after a few more days. Also love to hear others experiences. I received 30year Wild Super Green, 30year Wild White TFH, Red Horn Reserve, and Green Jongkong. Also they threw me a sample of Sun Dried Relaxing Red[/quote]

How long does it take for a Kraydo order to come in usually?

Supersonic75 wrote:I've never had any luck with Benni's leaf, even though I like everything else about him.....great customer service, fast (and secure; love those boxes) shipping, really appealing packaging, and an overall great vibe. Most of the "strains" / batches I've tried were from either very late 2019 or early 2020; I probably started reading about them months before then and am wondering if I just caught him with newer, inferior batches. Don't know. I don't ever get the wobbles from it (I dose around 3g, 2-3x per day); I just get nothing and my tolerance was and is fine....I feel great with my fave vendors (TFH, Bunny, and Smiley). I haven't chucked what I have, but have a bunch of 100g bags that I'll probably dip into one more time at some point, just to give them another chance.

What is TFH and is that Botanical Bunny?

TFH = Texas Family Harvest. They're a membership only vendor but they do events here on this site for the members here to try there stuff every now and then.

No Botanical Bunny is totally seperate