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I was wondering what a typical-sized dose is for many of you.
I'm curious because I get effects at what I consider to be small doses (usually 2-3g) but I've also noticed some people on other websites (Reddit) that seem to use really large doses really frequently (20+g doses sometimes multiple times a day). I'm sure that's normal for some people but it seems like over there I see a LOT more people who are taking really large doses all the time compared to here.
I'm just wondering if there is kind of a general consensus on what works for the majority of people and why in other places it seems so different.
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I think it's always a question worth asking when one is trying to figure out what works best for them. Short answer: my "perfect dose" seems to change every few weeks, but in general, I dose low because I like the more energetic qualities of the leaf. My sweet spot these days is between 1.5-2g, sometimes with a small booster (around .4g) around an hour in.
A few months ago I felt great at 2.6-3.4g, depending on the vendor. But that stopped working well for me. I was getting sleepy a lot, or it wasn't really hitting at all, so I tapered down and took a couple of days off. When I came back to it, lower doses were best for me. I also think that I use much better kratom now than I did over the first few months I was experimenting with it, so it makes sense that the lower doses work better, because the kratom I take is much stronger than when I was first using it.
Cool, thank you I like it for the sedation/relaxation but have not tried too many vendors yet so maybe it will change with different ones. Interesting that after you had a little break lower doses were so much better. Kratom seems very magical haha.
Dose size is dependent on your own personal health needs. Some people prefer large doses a few times a day, while others like small frequent doses. It may take you a little while to find what works best for you. My advice is to start small and take into consideration your diet, weight, hydration level, daily schedule. All those factors will affect how much you'll need.
I always see "one heaping teaspoon " which seems to be just one tablespoon wouldn't you say? But that's my typical dose. Mistakenly took 2 spoon full one time and my stomach did not agree with that decision at all lol.
One of the biggest factors that should determine dose size is the reason that your taking Kratom. People who dose for pain tend to have different dose sizes, typically requiring more than someone who doses for depression or energy. Though there is always exceptions to every rule, especially when your talking about Kratom !!
Rafflesia wrote:This might be a really noob question
I'm curious because I get effects at what I consider to be small doses (usually 2-3g) - But I've also noticed some people on other websites (Reddit) that seem to use really large doses really frequently ....
More noobs should ask that question!
For weekend consumers, no big deal, but for daily use? Very important! imo your "small" dose is really a large medium. Many daily folks use 1+ gram per serving... LED. Lowest Effective Dose. Yes... the idiots on Reddit are all abusing the hell out of kratom... Then complain about Tolerance. Then wind up on r/quitting sub, demonizing kratom? Experienced, mature, daily kratomites understand - Less Is More.
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Fox I can't imagine taking that much, I think I would be sick! Lol
Mycat, I take it for chronic pain and anxiety so that is helpful info for me. I definitely don't do it for energy, I can't stand to be more wired than I currently am.
Ballz your comment about Reddit is killing me, glad to know I am maybe not the only one thinking the people there are acting wild I do not take it every day, only when it gets bad, for pain and anxiety like I said above. Not for energy. Glad to know 2-3g might be considered more of a "large medium". Thanks.
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Yeah, all the variables screw up any kind of poll or average. And it's all self reported, which is a fail to start with. All I can add/offer is if you feel like you are using too much, then you probably are. Use the least you can, and if the least you can is a lot, then so be it. Just keep an eye on it, and lower it if/when you can. That's it, that's the combined wisdom of all "drug" users ha-ha. Goes the same for apple pie though. Sometimes you're gonna need some. Get the best you can !! But, don't have 3 slices when you only need 2 slices. Bad things....
onespeedstop wrote:Yeah, all the variables screw up any kind of poll or average. And it's all self reported, which is a fail to start with ...
Yup. I thought that Reddit poll was interesting but... whoever did the Poll used "GPD" which most ppl think is grams per Day and some think Dose.
Someone really should do more polls. Reddit has the traffic to make it worthwhile, but you'd have to design survey(s) carefully. Maybe start at Johns Hopkins Survey, they found 41% use kratom for opioid treatment... obviously that group has a higher Tolerance
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I've got a background in science, if I knew more about kratom I would be thrilled to design an informal survey haha. Maybe in the future. That Hopkins one is interesting.
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I am a high user, and I can explain... my average dose is between 5.5g and 8g per dose. I dose about 6 times every 24 hours. Some days it’s only 5, I can tell the quality plays a huge roll. When I get a batch that hits great, I can take 5.5g 5x a day. When I get “bunk” I can use up to 8g a dose up to 6x a day.
This upcoming January makes 3 years of use, and probably about 2.5 years of daily usage. I have a pretty strong will-power. If I really want to I can go 6ish hours without a dose (which ends up being exactly half of my “normal” usage). I have pretty, pretty bad anxiety and I used to be on a bunch of pills. I routinely use a kilo a month, but I have been purchasing cheap kratom. I just finally began spending a little more on some quality vendors I’ve found from this amazing community, and I’m really hoping that will make a difference.
I have tried less is more many times, and I always come away thinking, more is more. Especially for pain, the small doses don't cut it. I understand the tolerance aspect completely, but I'm able to get reliably good effects from taking 7-8 gram doses several times a day and have been long term. For me it is sustainable. Like others have said, you just have to find out what works for you, there's not really a right or wrong- There is a limit to that though, it's debatable what it is.... I'd say if you're taking 50+ grams per day that's too much. But I'm not going to dog anyone for taking too much, unless you try to demonize it afterwards like ballz said. Live and let live ..
For me now its 5 to 7 grams twice a day.I like to refine my sweet spot frequently I just active when I started one tsp add a half of tsp every half an hr until I find pain relief. I take kratom mainly for chronic pain and CFS, I also do a three day teabreajk once a month.I also limit myself to no more than 20 grams a day.That leaves me room for a mid day boost.
I've been using 1.75gm 2 - 3, rarely 4 X / day for the past 4 years
Started with 3gm. - twice. The second time, 2yrs later I saw the light as it was for crippling pain. Within 3 weeks I'd stepped it down, hitting an amazing benefit at 2.25 grams. Nothing lost, everything I wanted to gain, revealed gradually.
That story aside I later found that my true target dose- The minimum consistently effective dose, is 1.75. "Consistent" doesn't mean you never have a dull or seemingly ineffective dose. They should be an exception. Over time you discover probable causes and sometimes easy ways to breathe life into it.
For those who like to read: Re some causes for absurd dosing: I expect many causes but this is on my mind.
>> Giving dosing advice- as in, "you should use X grams" Not prime cause but it doesn't help. That action mislead me. I missed out on two years of relief bc I didn't like the impact of 3 gram doses when I wasn't using for pain relief. I see damaging stuff going on in comment threads. Experienced users throwing around pride, arrogance and some very bad advice. It's a dis-service to push a new user to buy a kg of the "only kratom that works for me anymore" because "it's the best" (it's your last leg) and everything else is a rip off. If that's you. You're an idiot.
Then there can be some version of clueless, careless and reckless abandon. I gave someone boo hooing about heroine cravings the other oz of my kratom after I gave up that time. Wasn't too bad off but neurotic anxious etc, All considered I told the pin cushion to start at 2 & add on the hour. Very conservative I 'm sure but how do I know how his body will take to that? Found out he dumped the entire oz in a glass. 28grams. He said he liked it. But Later, I saw the glass. almost full of green liquid that had sat there for days about to mold or whatever. Wasted most of it in one go. It was expensive newbie kratom too. I couldn't wait to get the request for more. I told him to suffer. Kept my other pouch, thankfully. Two years later I had what I needed to sit up, care for my animals and myself.
My tolerance (for stupidity more than anything) has only gone down.
Its a good question, and in my opinion it never gets old reading how other people plan their day.
It took a lot of trial and error, and over my 3+ years of daily use, but I've narrowed my sweet spot down using THREE important rules for myself. If I stick to the rules each day, my experience is better. If I don't, then all my doses seem to mush together, and I have no distinct effects from dose to dose.
1 - Grams per Day. I keep the total amount I want to take each day in my mind and I actually plan my doses around that. For my first two years, I never used a scale. I would just eyeball a 1/2 teaspoon, and take about 4 or 5 of them per dose. Getting a scale changed everything. For seasoned vets of this forum, thank you for pointing that out to me when I joined. Currently, my GPD is 11-12gpd, and over the past 3 months have dropped it down from about 16gpd. My goal is 10g per day (I'm doing a slow steady taper to get there). But because I'm going slow, It doesn't feel like a taper, just feels like I'm implementing "Less Is More".
2 - Grams Per Dose. My current sweet spot is 3g-4g per dose (I estimate it used to be about 6g when I wasn't weighing.) Sometimes I go up to 4g, but never more than that in one dose. I'm an early riser, so from my first dose around 7am, last dose around 4pm. (3 doses total)
3 - Time between doses. This was huge for me, and something I should have realized much sooner. When I wasn't aware of "less is more", I would just take a scoop whenever I felt the effects wearing off. I was probably taking Kratom every 2 hours or so for a while. When I wait 6 hours between doses, my second dose has much more noticeable effects, and I can keep my daily amount lower. On average right now, I am at 4 hours between doses consistently, and on days when I can, I wait longer. My goal here is to get to 6 hours between on average, cutting my total doses to 2 per day.
Anyway, I wrote a lot, but I think it's important for someone to find the "rules" that work for them, and STICK TO IT. Especially if you consider yourself new to the plant. Adding a little more to your dose or re-dosing before your first dose wears off just numbs the whole experience, leading to higher and higher doses. Obviously everyone is different, but for me it did at least.
I think I’m unconventional but I take 2-4g’s once every 1.5-2hrs in the evening & gradually feel a nice buzz. I make a tea so I sip it in a drink over the few evening & it works pretty well. I don’t take it during the day like many others but it’s a great evening relaxer usually. Makes for some interesting thoughts
KratomRenegade wrote:I think I’m unconventional but I take 2-4g’s once every 1.5-2hrs in the evening
I do something similar. I start with 3-4g and then take 2g every 45 min for a few hours. Staggering works great for me and makes the effects last longer. I can stretch a dose out over 3 hours.
I've also tried just taking it all at once but it wears off too quickly for my tastes. I'm definitely on team stagger.
Staggering is a real thing. I start out with 4-5grams, wait an hour, then take another 3. From there I go based on effects, if I'm good, I'm good, but if not I'll add another couple grams an hour later. Then a solid 6+ hours before dosing again. I don't know why, but it seems to work far better than dosing all at once. Intuitively you'd think the opposite. Also, getting a quick nap in between doses helps too
KratomRenegade wrote:I think I’m unconventional but I take 2-4g’s once every 1.5-2hrs in the evening
I do something similar. I start with 3-4g and then take 2g every 45 min for a few hours. Staggering works great for me and makes the effects last longer. I can stretch a dose out over 3 hours.
I've also tried just taking it all at once but it wears off too quickly for my tastes. I'm definitely on team stagger.
How hard is it hitting when you stagger, e and piano?
I try not to stagger doses, if I need 8 grams I'll go ahead and take it and be set for 6 hours, if I dosed every 2 hours I'd be preoccupied, pacing back and forth between the scale and my stash all day and not get a damn thing done.
CatfatherB wrote:I try not to stagger doses, if I need 8 grams I'll go ahead and take it and be set for 6 hours, if I dosed every 2 hours I'd be preoccupied, pacing back and forth between the scale and my stash all day and not get a damn thing done.
Just to clarify, I only do two or three total doses, and I wait six hours between the last dose before taking more, so it's not exactly going back and forth constantly. I know what you mean though, I have done that in the past, I think my scale's power button is worn out.
IDI, it hits about the same, but the quality of the burn seems to be better, and it lasts longer because it slowly tapers off instead of dissipating all at once. It's just a matter of preference. In certain situations I will dose all at once because staggering isn't feasible.
KratomRenegade wrote:I think I’m unconventional but I take 2-4g’s once every 1.5-2hrs in the evening
I do something similar. I start with 3-4g and then take 2g every 45 min for a few hours. Staggering works great for me and makes the effects last longer. I can stretch a dose out over 3 hours.
I've also tried just taking it all at once but it wears off too quickly for my tastes. I'm definitely on team stagger.
This is similar to what I do, although I always wait an hr. Sometimes it’ll take me at least that long to drink & sometimes I’ll finish in 30min but always like to wait for it to kick in. It’s a nice mental buzz starting at 6 or 7p & having 4-6 3-4g drinks over 6-8hrs. Interesting thoughts sometimes w/ the whites or yellow & golds. Just me though, I’ve taken too much & felt like crap so been using caution. Taking it during the day for some reason has a different effect so I mainly take it in the evening. I do need to find a good capsule filling machine....
Typically 4 grams but 2 with Premium. When I first get a new batch I like to start at 3 to make sure it’s not going to make me dizzy. Then I try to wait at least 2 hours before adding more.
This thread is very informative. Over the years I’ve been taking around 2g per dose but once or twice a day for chronic pain. It’s harder to plan an evening dose around eating dinner, as I don’t get relief with a full stomach. A little food is okay.
Like others have said, it depends on your body makeup and the vendor, on how much a typical dose can vary.
I like it for the sedation/relaxation but have not tried too many vendors yet so maybe it will change with different ones. Interesting that after you had a little break lower doses were so much better. Kratom seems very magical haha.
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