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Bailah wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:02 pm ... where certain vendor's kratom cause me terrible indigestion, pain and nausea symptoms. The weird thing is that TFH's kratom gives me no issues at all.

Bailah wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:02 pm .... how you boil your kratom. Do you boil up a kettle worth and store in fridge?

BallzDeep9 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:44 pm

Bailah wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:02 pm .... how you boil your kratom. Do you boil up a kettle worth and store in fridge?

I use the Red Bubble Method, aka "3 Step Prep" to prep my powder... Heat, Acid, Freeze.

Weigh powder. Right now I'm doing 2+ days worth so around 10 grams... . dump that into a dry coffee cup. Boil some water. Take pan off the heat. You can count to ten, from boiling 210º ...cools down to around 190º - pour over your powder, and stir. Cover the cup and steep. All bacteria, salmonella, pylori, is destroyed at 180º sitting for 5 minutes!

I'm using pure Citric Acid powder, less than 1/8 Tsp for my ten grams kratom. Others use a squirt of pure Lemon juice... or ACV the Citric acid is cheap, and works better to make a Red Bubble when freezing. I just pop my coffee cup in the freezer, overnight, after its cooled down of course

Now you've got sanitized, liquid, kratom in the fridge... 2 days' worth. Search = Red Bubble here, google that, search on Reddit, or Facebook. It's the modern way to enjoy kratom. Makes it more bioavailable... hits stronger and faster. Make nice cold drinks, Kratom Tea, w/ squirt of MiO Tangerine flavor. Or crystal light.

For someone who is doing BIG servings, say 20 gpd ?? They could still, sanitize and prep their powder. Just use a bigger coffee cup!

Greyhound/10 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:27 pm About a year ago I had a period where I got a brutal stomach ache no matter the dose size, vendor, strain, preparation etc. even boiling, freezing thawing and settling to avoid plant matter didn’t help, nor did tums or pepto.

I was legitimately thinking I would have to drop it altogether after about three weeks without getting better, but decided to try a run of omemprazole (e.g. Prilosec). I’d never had acid reflux or stomach type issues like this before but a 7 day cycle solved it and I’ve not had issues since then.

There seems to be some reasonable sounding info you’ll run across that suggests the plant matter plus the opioid-like slowed digestion can trigger a situation where your gut goes too strong on stomach acid to handle the plant matter.

Who knows if this is in fact what’s occurring, but the omeprazole worked great and cost about $8 using a generic store brand otc.

Grimble_Gromble wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:12 pm There have been times where I tried a new vendor and experienced a stomach ache, absolutely. This was back when I was trying whatever brand I came across that had a good deal. Ever since I became a bit more discerning and followed the lead of experienced recommendations online I stopped encountering that problem. In my opinion, some stuff is just lower quality and less pure but I'm really just guessing. I've never had an upset stomach from quality vendors. Whether something else is going on, I couldn't say. If TFH isn't giving any negative reactions then I'd guess it was the fault of the other leaf. I'm sorry though, if it's something physiological then I don't know.

mivanqua wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:33 pm

Grimble_Gromble wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:12 pm There have been times where I tried a new vendor and experienced a stomach ache, absolutely. This was back when I was trying whatever brand I came across that had a good deal. Ever since I became a bit more discerning and followed the lead of experienced recommendations online I stopped encountering that problem. In my opinion, some stuff is just lower quality and less pure but I'm really just guessing. I've never had an upset stomach from quality vendors. Whether something else is going on, I couldn't say. If TFH isn't giving any negative reactions then I'd guess it was the fault of the other leaf. I'm sorry though, if it's something physiological then I don't know.

What are YOU doing out? Little gnomes stay in their homes eating, sleeping, and drinking their wine!

mivanqua wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:33 pm

Grimble_Gromble wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:12 pm There have been times where I tried a new vendor and experienced a stomach ache, absolutely. This was back when I was trying whatever brand I came across that had a good deal. Ever since I became a bit more discerning and followed the lead of experienced recommendations online I stopped encountering that problem. In my opinion, some stuff is just lower quality and less pure but I'm really just guessing. I've never had an upset stomach from quality vendors. Whether something else is going on, I couldn't say. If TFH isn't giving any negative reactions then I'd guess it was the fault of the other leaf. I'm sorry though, if it's something physiological then I don't know.

What are YOU doing out? Little gnomes stay in their homes eating, sleeping, and drinking their wine!

Bailah wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:02 pm ....
P.s. not sure if this matters, but I have a sleeve gastrectomy and my gallbladder has been removed years ago.

Bailah wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:31 pm Thank you to all that took the time to reply. I believe I might have finally gotten to the bottom of this mystery (maybe!).

It was super clear that whenever I had TFH (I alternate with all strain colors) no stomach pain. However when I ran out and used other kratom, say from vendors like Botanical Bunny, a few days in and stomach pain would return.

I now believe that its due to the fact that TFH does not use fermented leaf for the red strain. I think the fermentation is too hard on my system. Again, this is all really speculation. What are your thoughts on that?