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Posted: **Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:58 am**

How many times do you dose per day?

How far apart, and if you stretch your sessions with multiple doses, what's your timing?

How long before and after eating?

How much liquid do you consume with a dose? Caffeine, yea or nay?

I'm currently on one burn a day, when I try for two I get nil.

Posted: **Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:17 am**

I usually dose 4 times a day about 3-4 grams .. And most all time on empty stomach but i drink lot of water . It help me with pain . Its been life saver for me .

Posted: **Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:23 am**

lavender wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:17 am I usually dose 4 times a day about 3-4 grams .. And most all time on empty stomach but i drink lot of water . It help me with pain . Its been life saver for me .

How many hours between doses?

Posted: **Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:27 am**

IndelibleDotInk wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:23 am
lavender wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:17 am I usually dose 4 times a day about 3-4 grams .. And most all time on empty stomach but i drink lot of water . It help me with pain . Its been life saver for me .
How many hours between doses?

usually 4 hours

Posted: **Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:10 pm**

IndelibleDotInk wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:58 am How many times do you dose per day?

How far apart, and if you stretch your sessions with multiple doses, what's your timing?

How long before and after eating?

How much liquid do you consume with a dose? Caffeine, yea or nay?

I'm currently on one burn a day, when I try for two I get nil.

1- The first couple of years I was a once a day-er, now I've settled into twice a day. Tried fitting a 3rd in, and there aren't enough hours in the day to merit that. For someone who maybe takes reds to sleep, it would make sense to have some just before bed, I found it wasn't needed or useful personally.

2- About 6 hours apart, give or take an hour from day to day. Once in the morning a hour or so after coffee and a granola bar, aprrox. 8:30 or 9am. Then later after lunch has digested, so around 3-4pm.

3- See #2. About an hour after a very light breakfast, of one cup of coffee and a package of 2 small granola bars. And then later about 3 hours after lunch. I have had some kratom about an hour after a larger/normal sized meal and felt the results were muted, so I stick to taking it on a mostly-if-not-completely empty stomache.

4- I mix my kratom with 1/2 orange juice and half water, so there's 7-8 ounces there, and I drink water off and on throughout the day. I've never really measured it because I assume it varies from day to day. Also, in the morning I have coffee about an hour before the kratom. It does not seem to affect it either way for me.

Everyone's metabolism or "kratom receptors" are going to be a little different, so there's no perfect dose timing or amount. As with most things, I would recommend moderation. But if you take kratom for pain and moderation doesn't get the job done, then take more, assuming it helps and isn't causing any bad side effects. Personally I don't really want to notice the kratom, I want it to quietly make me feel slightly better in the background, so 2 doses a day is probably overkill, but I have found a nice in-between for myself that I am comfortable with.

Posted: **Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:41 pm**

onespeedstop wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:10 pm
IndelibleDotInk wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:58 am How many times do you dose per day?

How far apart, and if you stretch your sessions with multiple doses, what's your timing?

How long before and after eating?

How much liquid do you consume with a dose? Caffeine, yea or nay?

I'm currently on one burn a day, when I try for two I get nil.
1- The first couple of years I was a once a day-er, now I've settled into twice a day. Tried fitting a 3rd in, and there aren't enough hours in the day to merit that. For someone who maybe takes reds to sleep, it would make sense to have some just before bed, I found it wasn't needed or useful personally.

2- About 6 hours apart, give or take an hour from day to day. Once in the morning a hour or so after coffee and a granola bar, aprrox. 8:30 or 9am. Then later after lunch has digested, so around 3-4pm.

3- See #2. About an hour after a very light breakfast, of one cup of coffee and a package of 2 small granola bars. And then later about 3 hours after lunch. I have had some kratom about an hour after a larger/normal sized meal and felt the results were muted, so I stick to taking it on a mostly-if-not-completely empty stomache.

4- I mix my kratom with 1/2 orange juice and half water, so there's 7-8 ounces there, and I drink water off and on throughout the day. I've never really measured it because I assume it varies from day to day. Also, in the morning I have coffee about an hour before the kratom. It does not seem to affect it either way for me.

Everyone's metabolism or "kratom receptors" are going to be a little different, so there's no perfect dose timing or amount. As with most things, I would recommend moderation. But if you take kratom for pain and moderation doesn't get the job done, then take more, assuming it helps and isn't causing any bad side effects. Personally I don't really want to notice the kratom, I want it to quietly make me feel slightly better in the background, so 2 doses a day is probably overkill, but I have found a nice in-between for myself that I am comfortable with.

Pretty much exactly this for me too. I have a hard time getting the second/third/not-first one to hit too. Add that onto usually wanting reds late, it gets hard. The longer I can wait after lunch to eat the better, plus I want a bit faster ones still which will hit better. If I want a good red one in the evening I have to find a really good, strong red to feel anything.

Posted: **Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:02 am**

onespeedstop wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:10 pm 1- The first couple of years I was a once a day-er, // now I've settled into twice a day. Tried fitting a 3rd in, and there aren't enough hours in the day to merit that. For someone who maybe takes reds to sleep, it would make sense to have some just before bed, I found it wasn't needed or useful personally.

Good stuff. Yes it seems like daily kratom works best, split into 2 servings...

someone said, short duration is kratom's worst problem? Daily use builds up a mild habit. We had discussion a few months ago, Fused Flora posted about Mitragynine half-life in the bloodstream... so after your morning dose, empty stomach, followed by breakfast, then lunch, etc. it feels like good effects have worn off... But there's still enough in your system 6+ hours later, that a smaller "booster" gets those alkaloids right back up there.

LED = Lowest Effective Dose, works for most people.

Those who enjoy kratom for mood, euphoria, energy effects - try & balance everything. Kratom being an appetite suppressant, Food is more important (obviously), Food, Sleep, Exercise, are things we need... We don't NEED kratom to survive. So the daily routine revolves around eating good, and getting a good night's sleep... Do that, and kratom feels great! LED keeps tolerance in check.

Those who take kratom for other reasons 1- Chronic Pain, or 2- Opiate Addiction ...

. are in a different world. Kratom just isn't as strong as opiates, for the REAL Chronic Pain folks and so they can get frustrated... Drug addicts come in all shapes and sizes, but mostly, ALSO frustrated that kratom ain't heroin, kratom ain't strong enough, and kratom is weird and so we've got this huge community of abusers now, who are having problems.

imo, taking kratom before bed, is a bad idea... Jacks up tolerance, why ?? You're sleeping.

Not enjoying kratom euphoria. Wanna sleep, take a Sleep Aid cocktail - Melatonin, Valerian, Ibuprofen, Chamomile Tea, etc. Lots of stuff to help sleep!! Sedation is NOT an effect of good kratom... it's a Side Effect of doing too much? And... we know what happens with large daily servings? Yep - Tolerance! Kratom stops working. Then having to quit, taper, go through withdrawals... blah

My humble Opinion. Just finished a 5 day course of Agmatine before bed... Today a small Tea Cup serving, feels amazing!!

Posted: **Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:19 pm**

I'm somewhat new to this plant and I'm still experimenting to find my sweet spot. My intake is around 4 grams once every other day or so right now. I have experimented with a second dose a few hours after my first, and like others, I get far less out of it.

I'm currently mixing my doses with lemonade or OJ (T&W did me dirty) and always drink a lot of water before and after. I've never tried it before or after coffee since I'm not a fan of those speedier effects, but it may be something that I try in the future.

In regards to timing: I was never able to appreciate this plant until I tried it on an empty stomach. Everyone is different, but the effects are night and day for me. I will feel almost nothing off of a 4 gram dose one or two hours after a meal, but if I wait until just before lunch or dinner, that same dose can do wonders. So for now, I usually dose about a half hour before a big meal. I'm almost always feeling the positive effects by the time I've finished eating.

Posted: **Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:21 pm**

BallzDeep9 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:02 am
onespeedstop wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:10 pm Fused Flora posted about Mitragynine half-life in the bloodstream... so after your morning dose, empty stomach, followed by breakfast, then lunch, etc. it feels like good effects have worn off... But there's still enough in your system 6+ hours later, that a smaller "booster" gets those alkaloids right back up there.

I remember reading this and am very curious as to what you and others think about it. Anyone frequently take a smaller dose on your second burn rather than an equal or larger dose?

Posted: **Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:33 pm**

oftheshire wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:21 pm I remember reading this and am very curious as to what you and others think about it. Anyone frequently take a smaller dose on your second burn rather than an equal or larger dose?

MM now has a goldmine 3 years of Kratom Info - here's how to Search:

Someone said hmm I remember Fused Flora posted, in another thread, about a booster or 2nd dose ?? OK click on Fused Flora and use the Search Bar in his posts for a word like "booster" I get this = Search Link -- OK he only used that word, 1 time. A thread title "Booster Serving".

Click and read that. Good discussion, some useful tips... IndelibleDotInk says, Fused also posted a "nice graph, use the Search Bar" OK back to Fused' history, now Search on the word "graph" - bingo!! Search Link -- takes you to his post with chart, May 2020 - Some thoughts and numbers behind "Less is More."

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