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Rannek wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 7:54 pm How would you rate each year kratom quality overall in a 1-10 scale?

So 2019 into 2020... "The Year of Container Kratom" saw 100 Ton loads being shipped by Air Cargo... and it was Plantation crap. No more "Wild Harvest" ??

BallzDeep9 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 1:56 am

Rannek wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 7:54 pm How would you rate each year kratom quality overall in a 1-10 scale?

hey there Ranned, very good Topic! Thanks for starting this... I'll first say, you're Spot On. In my humble Opinion!

I didn't start until 2016, but the 2017 quality was very good I agree. WHY ?? Simple answers: Most kratom was still wild harvest. The Indo's began planting seeds around 2014, 2015, pretty sure that's accurate... Generally speaking... maybe some veteran's here could confirm.

THEN the Big Panic in November 2017 !! . Huge "Kratom Scare" and fear-mongering on the Internet!! BUY Everything!! within 2 weeks ALL online vendors were Sold Out. Even big sellers like SoCal got wiped out in just days. So... Over 300 vendors in USA, all contacted Indo's around Dec 2017 / New Year 2018 "We're totally out, Please send us anything!!"

That's what the Indo's did!! They shipped anything and everything... Pick some bunk Hirsuta/ Javanica leaf, and call it Kratom? Oh yeah. So YES - half of 2018 was bad. But!! By the Fall things bounced back. 2019 started out good. Lots of Buyers... Too many buyers? BOOM !! Kratom Demand boomed in 2018, 2019... Supply once again, was falling short. Thats when the major Shipping fiasco, "Shipping Blockade" happened in late 2019... remember? What really happened? We saw photos of POS Indonesia with months of shipments in a huge pile. Postal shipments were not moving... FDA began seizing more packages... DHL and UPS were flagging Customs on everything. Ouch!!

So 2019 into 2020... "The Year of Container Kratom" saw 100 Ton loads being shipped by Air Cargo... and it was Plantation crap. No more "Wild Harvest" ??

onespeedstop wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 1:19 pm I've only been 'around' since 2016 or 2017, but it's gotten a hair better every year for me. I would suspect that is due to a couple of factors, 1) finding better vendors, and 2) finding my ideal dosage levels, and 3) patience ha-ha. As we all know, kratom can be a little hit & miss, at any time. But I've never not been able to find decent+ stuff online, and I've pretty much never gotten stuff that was all garbage from anyone, thought I have gotten some dud strains before, even that's been pretty rare.

Hopefully we never use up all the kratom and then havta wait years and years for some more to be grown ha-ha. Or if they start pulling more govt./USPS crap like they did with shipping vape stuff.

Bubba5150 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:19 am This is pretty much me spot on as well. Amazing what finding vendors that care about quality as much as you do does for your overall experiences. Also, at the very beginning I did not use a scale so obviously that can be disastrous as many of us now know. I have received some absolute dud test samples, but those never made it to the menu anyway so my purchases have been fortunate.

onespeedstop wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:43 pm

Bubba5150 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:19 am This is pretty much me spot on as well. Amazing what finding vendors that care about quality as much as you do does for your overall experiences. Also, at the very beginning I did not use a scale so obviously that can be disastrous as many of us now know. I have received some absolute dud test samples, but those never made it to the menu anyway so my purchases have been fortunate.

Ultimately, it's not surprising to find that most smaller vendors became vendors to insure they had a steady stream of good kratom, and that they take a bit more care in what they sell. I guess at first I just had no idea how small a thing kratom really was. Like I figured there'd be a Coke and a Pepsi, and maybe a smaller 7-Up brand, and that'd be about it. When it seems to be almost the opposite - that the bigger "brand names" are the weak/crappy stuff, and the small almost unheard of names have the best quality.

And yeah, someday maybe I'll get a scale, I just don't really see the need, my dose amount has been steady for a year+ now, I use the same 1/4tsp measuring spoon every time ha-ha.

Bubba5150 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:38 am Don't get me wrong, I am not knocking not using a scale. I feel I did great for almost 2 years without one myself, but it is also the only time I was vomiting sick from taking too much (only happened once). It was one of those cases where I tried a new strain from a new vendor and it was waaaaaaaay better quality than what I was taking at the time and it showed me too lol. If it wasn't for that event I would likely still not be using a scale. You use a 1/4 tsp so I doubt you will ever run into this, but I used a much larger spoon without a scale so the scale taught me to use a smaller spoon. Why do I always have to learn the hard way?

onespeedstop wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:46 am

Bubba5150 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:38 am Don't get me wrong, I am not knocking not using a scale. I feel I did great for almost 2 years without one myself, but it is also the only time I was vomiting sick from taking too much (only happened once). It was one of those cases where I tried a new strain from a new vendor and it was waaaaaaaay better quality than what I was taking at the time and it showed me too lol. If it wasn't for that event I would likely still not be using a scale. You use a 1/4 tsp so I doubt you will ever run into this, but I used a much larger spoon without a scale so the scale taught me to use a smaller spoon. Why do I always have to learn the hard way?

I keep waiting for that to happen....to get this insane powerful kratom that teaches me that lesson, hasn't happened, but I just figure I've been lucky to mostly get potent stuff from the beginning. I never bought locally, or pre-capped stuff, so that's probably why.

I have gotten the wobbles/sweats a few times along the way. I think at one point I was up to 8 grams a day, and it was overkill. Great, the less I use, the longer it lasts. Ballz is right about 'L.E.D', it's good advice for any drug/substance really. But it varies, quite a bit from person to person, so just ramp it up from too little, up to nauseous, then scale it back and there's yer perfect amount ha-ha. And hey, at least you sorted it out, I still see people posting on reddit about why does kratom always make me puke ??? I took my usual 45 caps and then chased it with a gallon of milk that was left out on the kitchen counter overnight, some expired fish nuggets, and then I smoked crack for a couple of hours. Why does kratom make me sick ????

Bubba5150 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:16 am

onespeedstop wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:46 am

Bubba5150 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:38 am Don't get me wrong, I am not knocking not using a scale. I feel I did great for almost 2 years without one myself, but it is also the only time I was vomiting sick from taking too much (only happened once). It was one of those cases where I tried a new strain from a new vendor and it was waaaaaaaay better quality than what I was taking at the time and it showed me too lol. If it wasn't for that event I would likely still not be using a scale. You use a 1/4 tsp so I doubt you will ever run into this, but I used a much larger spoon without a scale so the scale taught me to use a smaller spoon. Why do I always have to learn the hard way?

I keep waiting for that to happen....to get this insane powerful kratom that teaches me that lesson, hasn't happened, but I just figure I've been lucky to mostly get potent stuff from the beginning. I never bought locally, or pre-capped stuff, so that's probably why.

I have gotten the wobbles/sweats a few times along the way. I think at one point I was up to 8 grams a day, and it was overkill. Great, the less I use, the longer it lasts. Ballz is right about 'L.E.D', it's good advice for any drug/substance really. But it varies, quite a bit from person to person, so just ramp it up from too little, up to nauseous, then scale it back and there's yer perfect amount ha-ha. And hey, at least you sorted it out, I still see people posting on reddit about why does kratom always make me puke ??? I took my usual 45 caps and then chased it with a gallon of milk that was left out on the kitchen counter overnight, some expired fish nuggets, and then I smoked crack for a couple of hours. Why does kratom make me sick ????

Your summation of a user that just does not get it is classic, I love it!