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For the first couple years I was using kratom, started in 2017, my dose was less than a gram. .75

Then it started creeping up. Was a full gram for a while, then jumped up to 1.5, then more recently up to 1.75
A couple months ago kratom started feeling unpleasant. I felt maybe a little jittery, irritable, just not great. So
last week I dropped it back down a half gram to 1.25 and felt much better immedately. Went down to 1 gram
a couple days after that and that's where I'm going to sit. I still have the effects I need with nothing bad.

Less is more!

How often do you dose? What's your average GPD?

Still trying to figure mine out after 7 months.

Four times a day occasionally five. 1 G doses

Thanks for posting,

• Does it seem Low regular servings < 2 grams, are sustainable & keep hitting just fine... very few or No, negative sides ? Some days or some blends slightly better than others, for whatever reason
• I could see a Break coming, just for the helluvit. Do Agmatine & BSO for a couple days at night. Taper and then take a couple days off.
• Is there a Total GPD at what point does Tolerance start ? I'm down to usually 2, sometimes 3, servings 1.75 g each. Red bubble! I def had Tolerance build-up, around 10 gpd and up. Lowered down from 16, down to 10... Still bad side effects !! (Tired, constipated, irritable, Night sweats,) - Cut that in half. 4 to 6 gpd that's allows for a double shot or Extract, serving, couple times a week

herbalhippie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:47 pm For the first couple years I was using kratom, started in 2017, my dose was less than a gram. .75

Then it started creeping up. Was a full gram for a while, then jumped up to 1.5, then more recently up to 1.75
A couple months ago kratom started feeling unpleasant. I felt maybe a little jittery, irritable, just not great. So
last week I dropped it back down a half gram to 1.25 and felt much better immedately. Went down to 1 gram
a couple days after that and that's where I'm going to sit. I still have the effects I need with nothing bad.

Less is more!

Well done and congratulations! Whatever works well for you.

herbalhippie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:47 pm For the first couple years I was using kratom, started in 2017, my dose was less than a gram. .75

Then it started creeping up. Was a full gram for a while, then jumped up to 1.5, then more recently up to 1.75
A couple months ago kratom started feeling unpleasant. I felt maybe a little jittery, irritable, just not great. So
last week I dropped it back down a half gram to 1.25 and felt much better immedately. Went down to 1 gram
a couple days after that and that's where I'm going to sit. I still have the effects I need with nothing bad.

Less is more!

That’s great; I think that ramping down can be such a good idea if the lower dose works.

I’m frequently struck by how dose-sensitive I am with kratom. 1.75 or so, 2x per day is my sweet spot. On a bad pain day I might use 3x. If I go above 2g I usually feel more tired, which is not what I’m looking for from Kratom.

But along the lines of what Ballz wrote, even at that lowish dose, I still find that I get better burns if I do a Hirsuta/S&V day every week or so, or just take a day off with agmantine/BSO/CBD the night before (and sometimes some CBD during the day too). When I come back, I usually start again at 1.25 or so but usually find that a little higher than that works best for me, and I wind up at around 1.75 again.

Awesome news, hh!
I have also tapered down w/ great success. 5 GPD seems to be the sweet spot for me. It was very easy w/ hempflower & full spectrum cbd extracts.
How are you sleeping?

Well I typically dose between 2.5 to 3 grams two, or three times a day. I don’t think that’s excessive but I do feel more tired at that dose with certain strains. I think I might dose down to two grams a dose, or 1.5 to see if there’s a difference I like.

Jking wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:48 am Well I typically dose between 2.5 to 3 grams two, or three times a day. I don’t think that’s excessive but I do feel more tired at that dose with certain strains. I think I might dose down to two grams a dose, or 1.5 to see if there’s a difference I like.

I didn't think 1.75 was excessive either, but it was making me feel pretty unpleasant.

When i was sick , i could not go over 1 gram, your body just cant handle it, only thing i could go over is TFH kratom, even his i had to keep under 2 grams. When i stopped being sick i can easily go up to 10 grams. Best to boost immune as much as possible so you can consume more if need. lately i am at around 6g a day, 3 in the morning with coffee and 3 around 5pm toward the night. been working great for me.. Strong heavy coffee an fast kratom 50% chance of becoming very jittery and feel weird especially empty stomach, if that happens, eat and eat and eat or try doing reds with coffee, i dont think i ever had a jittery feeling mixing red and coffee on empty stomach. Unless its somehow a fast red. or was mislabeled but in reality its a green or a blend with green/white. I also believe 10 grams should be the normal standard for each day. I done cold tukeys on 10 grams, and its not bad at all, you understand what your going trough, you get some tea prpared of your choice, get some good shows to watch, get blanket, wrap around and enjoy the show while WDing. Next thing you know you reset your tolerance. 2 cups of epsont salt in a hot bath water for half an hour will boost the process, best done before sleep.

I ill be honest thoe, less is 100% true , you can even 2 gram in the morning and stick with coffee rest of day if needed. and feel great till next morning for your next 2 gram morning start. Also Guayusa tea removes almost all WD's if you boil it and make it strong. I tested plenty of times, instead of going cold tukey and feeling tired/fatigued , make a strong brew of Guaysa tea and put it in fridge. When need it, drink it and you will notice your tiredness will be bare minimum compare to not having Guayusa around... If dont have Guayusa a strong coffee will work as well but i prefer Guayusa better, its cheap and tons on amazon or websites.... sure some is more potent then others, just like kratom, depends what season it was collected but it all still works very very well.. A MUST have in yout tool box for health....

Any brand can be weaker or stronger, so pick what your eyes like better https://www.amazon.com/s?k=guayusa+loos ... -doa-p_5_7

Thanks brave777, I always learn so much from your posts.

Hirsuta!

Ugh…I got up to almost 30gpd. I just kept taking more because I wasn’t getting any burns anymore. I finally got sick and tired of nothing working and wasting my money looking for “the one” so I got myself some Hirsuta. I then split my doses in half 50/50 Hirsuta/kratom. Did that for about a week then cut in half again and so on. Now I’m down to just kratom 4g x 2. I’ll maybe throw in a dose of Hirsuta in the mix if needed. It’s so true - less is more. I’m feeling so much better. No more digestive or sleep issues and I’m feeling the burns now. It’s fun to revisit the leaf that I threw in the “I feel nothing bin” and actually react to it. When you decide to cut back, you need to keep reminding yourself that you’re not going to feel anything for a while. Not until your body adjusts to the new doses and that’s ok! During the cut back phase the lower doses of kratom will simply keep you feeling normal or stable. It took me a good 4 weeks to finally start feeling the burns again but it was worth it. Hirsuta does give me a wonderful mood lift and sometimes I prefer it to kratom. A couple of vendors have it right now. Mitra Man & Smiley are pretty good.

I’m pretty happy and stable at 8gpd, feeling the burns however, this topic has me thinking I might just experiment and drop the doses again to see if it gets even better. I’m in awe of those of you that can take 1 or 2 g’s and feel great!

Wow this is so similar to my routine. I dose at EXACTLY 1.75g about 5 times daily. Funny how we've both landed around that area!

My dosage started really low at half a gram. Thanks to - I'm fairly certain - extract in some of my kratom, my tolerance grew quickly to 3g.

After a while and a couple of tolerance breaks, I'm down to 2g, usually 3x a day, but sometimes 2 (60/40). It feels like it works better at this dosage. Maybe I'll try to lower it again to see if it's even better.

It's not that the burn itself is better, it's about the same. But the irritability and anxiety and maybe even some depression is gone. I just feel loads better.

holl0waytape wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:21 pm Wow this is so similar to my routine. I dose at EXACTLY 1.75g about 5 times daily. Funny how we've both landed around that area!

Yep. Red Bubble 7 Grams, into a Liquid, divided by 4 servings = 1.75. . So that's two days in my fridge, ready to mix a Kratom Tea drink!

Two x 1.75 servings would = 3.5 grams per Day. However I often "spike" my Late serving, with an extra 1+ gram filtered Tea, sometimes Extract.

herbalhippie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:39 pm It's not that the burn itself is better, it's about the same. But the irritability and anxiety and maybe even some depression is gone. I just feel loads better.

While unfortunately I have not gotten close to as low as you with my doses I do feel similar benefits when lowering.