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So today is the second drop with supplier E's leaf. I'm not getting some, but am on a factfinding mission.

The first had stellar reviews, including one by our special friend Denette!

When asked, people told me that it was 'great kratom with a special vibe.'

What does that mean? Details, I want lots of adjectives!

Thanks guys, aloha!

THANK YOU I have never had anything from an E drop SO EXCITE!

Trying for the first time

Noooo ! I will not buy more kratom in 2022. Well, maybe if TFH does an open event, or if there's an amazing Black Friday sale that I can't say no to. But that's it !

I’ve had a few samples of greens and reds. All I can describe it as is POTENT, NUMBING, UPPER-MID and LONG-LASTING. about y’all, but my fave gets numb when I take something strong.

I"m so excited about this I can hardly stand it.

Dang this killing me! I just bought a kilo, and now this. How could I resist? I got last years drop which I still have two sealed bags of just to compare it to the next time he resupplied it. I don’t know thought my mind says yes but my funds say no.

Okay, forgive this newbee but could someone point me in the direction of buying this? I see there is a "Rhino Remedies" that is on the "good list" here, but I don't see how to get an "E" drop from them nor do I particular even understand ordering from them. Is this the vendor and is there a way of getting this "E" drop?

The more information for this old man the better (assume I'm your grandfather and you're trying to explain to HIM - you won't be far off).

Kelleytoons. Rhino's website is rhinoremedies.com which best explains the ordering process. I just placed a small order.

Okay, is the "E" drop the first one? (The one labeled 042322E). And any particular strain I should be ordering?

Oh, crap, I see they won't sell to me anyway (I guess I need to be "vouched for" or something).

Oh, well, thanks for the info, anyway (and how the heck does someone get a voucher? LOL).

Kelleytoons wrote: ↑Sun Apr 24, 2022 8:48 am Oh, crap, I see they won't sell to me anyway (I guess I need to be "vouched for" or something).

Oh, well, thanks for the info, anyway (and how the heck does someone get a voucher? LOL).

HI Kelley,

Every vendor (most) should have a few suppliers for each drop. These people work with the actual farmers as middle men for the vendor. Our fearless vendors then devise their menu per drop, usually denoting which suppliers they worked with which in turn, through natural process, the best farmers stand out. Rhino Remedies has a few suppliers and it seems that the 'E' batches from drops of the past are most consistent.

I can vouch for new customers for LoneStar MitraSource. Chris is a super dude and we have a relationship. However, that is as far as I have gotten in the game of Kratom.

Your interest is totally valid but once I started trading with the TP, you can still taste the goods. I dose small so 2 trades and I'm good for half a year.

Thanks for the intro. Let me see, though, if this old man follows what you are saying.

I get that vendors use same sources - almost would have for most cases. Are you saying that the same sources name their batches with the same ID? IOW, is that 042322E batch from Rhino also available from, say, Lonestar Mitrasource? And are you saying that that particular vendor also requires a "vouch" from someone but you could vouch for me? If so, I'd like that.

As I've said elsewhere, I'm basically a Kratom whore who will spread his wallet for just about anyone. While I might have more than I will need in this lifetime I'm also looking to try new strains and variations (plus my tinctures could use as much variety as possible, assuming they work for me. I'm still a week out from testing the main production batch).

Kelleytoons wrote: ↑Sun Apr 24, 2022 9:51 am Thanks for the intro. Let me see, though, if this old man follows what you are saying.

I get that vendors use same sources - almost would have for most cases. Are you saying that the same sources name their batches with the same ID? IOW, is that 042322E batch from Rhino also available from, say, Lonestar Mitrasource? And are you saying that that particular vendor also requires a "vouch" from someone but you could vouch for me? If so, I'd like that.

As I've said elsewhere, I'm basically a Kratom whore who will spread his wallet for just about anyone. While I might have more than I will need in this lifetime I'm also looking to try new strains and variations (plus my tinctures could use as much variety as possible, assuming they work for me. I'm still a week out from testing the main production batch).

I am learning this myself so I am sure someone else knows wayyyy more. Your example 042322E tells me that Mr. Rhino got this specific batch from his E supplier and has dated it according to drop. 042322 is yesterdays date. It gets fuzzy at this part...

Lets try it this way:
Farmer grows tree
low skilled worker picks leaves
farmer sells leaves to supplier
supplier sells to vendor with location/size of leaf info
vendor collects shipment from overseas
vendor processes (drying/fermenting) leaf then decides how honest to be
the actual information denoting a strain names location like Bali or Kali is created for consumers
that is why a 'red' strain may look green. When it was tested, someone said 'oh, this one is relaxing, lets call it red'

Eh...something went wrong with my explanation up there.

If LoneStar and Mr. Rhino have the same supplier, the strain denotations will still be different depending on when they decide to present their new menus. I am quite sure they do not share the same suppliers. Also, many vendors are private which means that we are gatekeepers in a way. Just finding MM can be a challenge and then you have the surly bunch around here always complaining about pains. Too many people love Kratom for the wrong reasons and just do not get it!!

Have you read this:

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2931&hilit=behind

If you read half as fast as you type, this will be a breeze and answers a lot of your questions.

Kelleytoons wrote: ↑Sun Apr 24, 2022 9:51 am Thanks for the intro. Let me see, though, if this old man follows what you are saying.

I get that vendors use same sources - almost would have for most cases. Are you saying that the same sources name their batches with the same ID? IOW, is that 042322E batch from Rhino also available from, say, Lonestar Mitrasource? And are you saying that that particular vendor also requires a "vouch" from someone but you could vouch for me? If so, I'd like that.

a lot of the small batch vendors have been forced to go 'private.' many because they have had problems with shady consumers doing chargebacks and losing money. it helps them have customers they know they (should be) able to trust. if you have friends in the community who know you, or at least have seen ya around a lot, and feel the vendor can trust you, then they can vouch for you. a few vendors, like tfh, don't regularly accept new members and you can watch mm for opportunities they may offer for membership.

ideally no two batches would ever be the same. even same vendor, same name, different batch, will be different. altho some can be very consistent. read that post linked above and you will learn a LOT. I believe many small batch vendors even communicate with one another to help assure this by agreeing to use different suppliers/farmers. this is one reason I personally love small batch kratom. again, read Chris's 'behind the scenes' post linked above and so many of your questions will be answered

Kelleytoons wrote: ↑Sun Apr 24, 2022 9:51 am Thanks for the intro. Let me see, though, if this old man follows what you are saying.

I get that vendors use same sources - almost would have for most cases. Are you saying that the same sources name their batches with the same ID? IOW, is that 042322E batch from Rhino also available from, say, Lonestar Mitrasource? And are you saying that that particular vendor also requires a "vouch" from someone but you could vouch for me? If so, I'd like that.

As I've said elsewhere, I'm basically a Kratom whore who will spread his wallet for just about anyone. While I might have more than I will need in this lifetime I'm also looking to try new strains and variations (plus my tinctures could use as much variety as possible, assuming they work for me. I'm still a week out from testing the main production batch).

It’s the bulk vendors that have the same suppliers. Most small batch vendors have different suppliers; in fact, several of them communicate to ensure there is no overlap

Thanks to all - I yeah, I did read that post when I first joined here, but I was just trying specifically to address (and be OT) the post here referring to drop "E", which folks then seem to say was available at more than one vendor. If we are ONLY talking about Rhino's "E" then I guess I need to be vouched for by someone here to Rhino (which is a separate question I can ask elsewhere and perhaps will).

I was lucky (and that does apply) to become a member of Lucky's - and it's unlikely I'll live long enough to become a member of TFH <g>. And, as I said, I'm just the kind of person who buys a lot of Kratom so it's probably better, overall, that I don't qualify right now to buy more from Rhino (but I would, in a heartbeat, if I WERE vouched for. So - perhaps this is God's way of telling me to stop it :>).

And I do understand why some small vendors don't want to get burned, which is why as soon as I was a member of Lucky's I ordered from them and not once, but twice almost immediately. I am and will continue to be a loyal customer of theirs and any other small vendor I am privledged enough to frequent.

E is a good letter. I like it a lot. Totally unbiased. Probably the best letter actually.

e_poison wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 7:30 am E is a good letter. I like it a lot. Totally unbiased. Probably the best letter actually.

Why do I get the feeling you're biased?

e_poison wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 7:30 am E is a good letter. I like it a lot. Totally unbiased. Probably the best letter actually.

I would be remiss if I didn't tell you that to you, "e" is POISON. Is that the type of poison like cyanide on your Corn Flakes or is it more like how magic mushrooms "poison" you and that's why you trip?

mivanqua wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 7:50 am

e_poison wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 7:30 am E is a good letter. I like it a lot. Totally unbiased. Probably the best letter actually.

I would be remiss if I didn't tell you that to you, "e" is POISON. Is that the type of poison like cyanide on your Corn Flakes or is it more like how magic mushrooms "poison" you and that's why you trip?

I think it's the magic mushroom kind.

Phew! That was a close one! Hahaha!

As anybody actually received anything from this years e drop. I want to make an order to compare it to last years. The problem is now that I have so much more variety compared to last year I don’t want to buy all 8 strains. I only want the reds, and white. I might skip it this year. Is it the freshest kratom you ever seen? I can literally tell my e drop from last year from anything else in my collection simple from that bright green color.