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I've been on a general speed binge for a while and i decided to cut myself off today, I've had a bag of Organix Red Maeng Da capsules for a while now and my last line of speed (ice this time) was a few hours ago but i already feel the dread of being off coming up. I've heard Kratom is useful for come downs on top of just being generally pleasant but, in my time reading about it I've seen the main danger stems from other substances being present.

Is it safe to take Kratom to just go ahead and calm myself down or at least make this less dreadful? My usual does when i took it before was 5-8g in tea with honey so that's ideally what I'd take now.

If your curious about how sped up i am or my health, if it even matters. Im struggling to even focus on work in my studio as i normally would do, i feel alert but uninterested. I've been eating and sleeping almost normally for a few days on top of it so im fed and rested, i just dont feel like doing this anymore. I want to enjoy life and still run my studio without needing Adderall or ice.

What should I do?

I don't know if kratom if what you want to use coming off of stimulants.

Just....go to sleep. Sleep for a couple days if you can. Get up and eat some healthy meals, go for walks.

yeah you'll be fine taking kratom, healthwise. it's not any more dangerous than all the meth you've been doing. kratom might relax you a little, but it may not do as much as you'd like it to. you should probably try to take some sort of sleeping pill or antianxiety pill if you can. make sure you eat something. good luck.

Mmm, best advice might be to either do self reflection or get counseling to understand, and reconcile with, the root causes for using speed.

I'll go out on a limb and mention I have some personal experience with cessation from using amphetamines. They were legal, but mis-prescribed by a doctor who eventually got arrested. His waiting room was interesting. Ah, the 70s.

Right, having advised counseling and self reflection, I'd like to add that if you feel the craving for speed to be too strong then seriously consider using some Nootropics before using again. If you check Reddit and Nootropic forums you're likely to run into lots of people who have had a similar experience to yours, and who'd be happy to provide guidance. Kind of similar to how Kratom user hangouts are helpful to people who are leaving opiates behind.

Some Nootropics can be abused, and like most anything that can provide a boost come with the risk of a downside, but in my experience, and my opinion, they are much less likely to be addictive.

There's one grey area supplement that's not really a Nootropic, but often gets lumped with them, that has a high risk of addiction. I don't even want to mention it. If you read of one that was a nightmare to withdrawal from, "congrats", you might have stumbled on it. Avoid it.

But the racetams, and stuff like Noopept, along with the really exotic stuff I know exists but know nothing of, are imo worth your time looking into, if the choice is between them and using speed again.

Oh, SAMe, and/or a good B-complex, can possibly be helpful. Though caution when starting use of SAMe, as it's such a powerful Methyl donor that it can make some people a bit manic until they adjust to it. Rhodiola Rosea, and American Ginseng, might also help in adapting to being off amphetamines.

Having used a lot of speed is what, in addition to pancreatic cancer, eventually killed Philip K. Dick, and he even wrote a memorial to himself and his friends for A Scanner Darkly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Scanner ... cal_nature

Here's a link to the afterword, and I found it to be incredibly moving.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Frisson/commen ... a_scanner/

P.S. Unfortunately, coming off of speed and treating yourself for it can be similar to how elderly people have to care for themself when they feel their brains getting a bit foggy. The silver lining is that what works well for them will work for anyone. Do puzzles, play games, be strict with your nutrition, avoid sugar, and make an effort to ensure a good night's sleep. And so on.

Eventually you recover, but stay mindful of the downside to amphetamines that you lived through.
Sending good wishes your way, you got this!

Lol, and I forgot to answer your question.

If I was in your shoes I'd take some Kratom but I'd be careful about administering it. Don't use it in an attempt to blunt force away the side effects of coming off of using amphetamines.

Take a small amount every several hours, just enough to help blunt the edge of any discomfort you might be having.

Don't buy a lot of Kratom, and try to get totally clean, and Kratom free for a while, before using Kratom again. Imo it would be best to feel normal again before using more.

Babel-17 wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 11:38 pm Lol, and I forgot to answer your question.

If I was in your shoes I'd take some Kratom but I'd be careful about administering it. Don't use it in an attempt to blunt force away the side effects of coming off of using amphetamines.

Take a small amount every several hours, just enough to help blunt the edge of any discomfort you might be having.

Don't buy a lot of Kratom, and try to get totally clean, and Kratom free for a while, before using Kratom again. Imo it would be best to feel normal again before using more.

Thanks for the info and head up(s)! Im not that far gone on it luckily I've had a lot of restraint with it, just stopping before i get too far. I've had a long history with opiates and alcohol that's how i started on speed, because i had better control on it. I've been sleeping pretty much every night and eating every 4-5 hours the whole time I've been using speed so its not affected me too horribly, but i know that its a slippery slope. I ended up not doing the Kratom out of concern for mixing them, after I started to feel anxious i just smoked and went to bed.

try checking out r/meth on Reddit, you'll be a lot more likely to find good advice on how to quit

Thanks to Kratom, the comedown has been nothing but smooth. I've been taking 3g in the morning for a couple days and I've been able to function in the studio and with family just fine. Just have headaches but thats to be expected.

Mike410 wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 11:21 am Thanks to Kratom, the comedown has been nothing but smooth. I've been taking 3g in the morning for a couple days and I've been able to function in the studio and with family just fine. Just have headaches but thats to be expected.

I fucking love this post!!
Keep it up, my man!!
This is what it is all about.

Mike410 wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 11:21 am Thanks to Kratom, the comedown has been nothing but smooth. I've been taking 3g in the morning for a couple days and I've been able to function in the studio and with family just fine. Just have headaches but thats to be expected.

Things should only get better from here. Stay with it, you're doing great!

I understand you have gone through what your going to go through but I just wanted to give some advice. Kratom is totally safe. Always look for lab reports from the vendor you choose on their website. It's important to test Kratom to ensure it doesn't have anything in the powder that shouldn't be there. If I was transitioning from hard drugs, I would use red vein kratom. That is more relaxing ect. White is really good for energy. Green doesn't do much for me but everybody's different. Some people love green. Gold/yellow is like a softer mellow than the red. Less intense but still good. That's my experience. I hope you have kicked that habit and kratom can help you stay off that stuff.