Relatively Long Time User Needing Some Advice

[agrarianmind]

Hey, I've been consuming daily since 2019. At this point I'm up to probably 3 grams every 3 hours. This includes during the night, I wake up and take my stuff. Is this super unusual? Not sure. So, I'm looking for advice on how to cut back. I'm pretty sure I do not want to go CT. What would be the best way to do this without suffering too much? I started back in 2019 to help curtail my drinking habits and it worked. But now I need to cut back on this. By no means is this even comparable to what I was dealing with with alcohol, but still I'd like to not have it be such a huge part of my life. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

[iamlurkerpro]

Taper slowly. Try doing a little less each dose and then once youre down a bit try stopping a dose a day,then repeat.. It will help a lot if you can. There are a bunch of stuff people use to help ,that I cant remember. I know if you have time, that cutting down how much and how often slowly seems to be easiest way for me. Try searching stopping kratom, withdrawl etc , there should be a bunch of posts.

[add to descartes]

I think you have to get more in the habit of waiting longer between doses, and not doing it at night. you're probably so used to dosing every few hours that it's become like a compulsion. try starting to wait an extra hour between doses to start with, which will probably be the easiest way to start a taper, as opposed to just lowering the dose. you could also try dosing a little more at a time, and make yourself wait longer in between. say you took 5 grams every 6 hours instead of 3 every 3, and you'd still be cutting a gram out per 6 hour timeframe.

you might want to try a nonkratom sleep aid like melatonin to help you reset.

i just think about it like this- if I can wait an extra hour, then I know I can put it off just a little longer. and I know it's going to hit better if I wait longer, so there is an observable benefit/reward to help motivate me. I have been able to keep my doses to 5-6 hours apart, just keeping in mind those two things. if I only wait 4 hours, it's just not as good.

[Kelleytoons]

I like the "five to six hours apart" - that's exactly how I feel. One reason, indeed, that I only dose, at most, twice a day (there just aren't enough hours in the day to both eat AND not take kratom until my stomach is empty AND not take more than five to six hours apart).

Plus I'd just set a small goal for one day - just ONE day say "today I'm only going to dose in the morning when I get up and then see just how long I can go before I dose again". Make it a challenge - "well, today I went six hours" and so forth. Soon you'll be doing that once in the morning and once at night and then you can cut out either one if you want (or keep it at that - two small doses a day is pretty moderate).

[BallzDeep9]

At this point I'm up to probably 3 grams every 3 hours. This includes during the night, I wake up and take my stuff. Is this super unusual ?

uhh... Yeah. Waking up middle of night ? Every 3 hours ? that is definitely OCD behavior. MOST people take a nice long break at night. Then really enjoy the morning Kratom!

Kratom IS a stimulant. So, this idea of "Bedtime Kratom" ... doesn't make sense. UNLESS you've got terrible Chronic Pain and you're forced to "take something" every few hours ?? Otherwise ... ANY time kratom, and choking down powder 'round the clock - and maybe skipping meals - and not getting a good night's sleep - is Not Good.

I mean we're not Doctors here but... What do YOU think, a Psychologist would say ? . OCD is spending all day, smoking, scratching, snorting, boofing ... choking down Raw Powder ? Picking their nose and ? LOL C'mon... I think you KNOW, it's going off the rails here, man.

Food! Sleep! Work!! Exercise. Sex. Social Life. Family... those are the important things - Kratom can HELP, get us through Life - and kratom IS great - but, Anything can be abused to excess. You had an alcohol problem ? Then you know - You don't need HARD booze - to have a drinking problem - sitting around all day drinking Beer... and then it's Olde English 500. then maybe a Colt-45 Malt Liquor ... LOL - I used to drink. For some reason, a few years ago I LOST interest in drinking - after I found kratom!

I agree with others. Taper Down. And start skipping "doses", especially at Night. Take a Sleep Aid. Melatonin. Ibuprofen. L-Theanine. Valerian. even Benadryl ? those PM things like Tylenol PM, all contain Benadryl aka diphenhydramine - will KNOCK you out!! -- Try that and keep us posted.

[terposton]

At this point I'm up to probably 3 grams every 3 hours. This includes during the night, I wake up and take my stuff. Is this super unusual ?

uhh... Yeah. Waking up middle of night ? Every 3 hours ? that is definitely OCD behavior. MOST people take a nice long break at night. Then really enjoy the morning Kratom!

Kratom IS a stimulant. So, this idea of "Bedtime Kratom" ... doesn't make sense. UNLESS you've got terrible Chronic Pain and you're forced to "take something" every few hours ?? Otherwise ... ANY time kratom, and choking down powder 'round the clock - and maybe skipping meals - and not getting a good night's sleep - is Not Good.

I mean we're not Doctors here but... What do YOU think, a Psychologist would say ? . OCD is spending all day, smoking, scratching, snorting, boofing ... choking down Raw Powder ? Picking their nose and ? LOL C'mon... I think you KNOW, it's going off the rails here, man.

Food! Sleep! Work!! Exercise. Sex. Social Life. Family... those are the important things - Kratom can HELP, get us through Life - and kratom IS great - but, Anything can be abused to excess. You had an alcohol problem ? Then you know - You don't need HARD booze - to have a drinking problem - sitting around all day drinking Beer... and then it's Olde English 500. then maybe a Colt-45 Malt Liquor ... LOL - I used to drink. For some reason, a few years ago I LOST interest in drinking - after I found kratom!

I agree with others. Taper Down. And start skipping "doses", especially at Night. Take a Sleep Aid. Melatonin. Ibuprofen. L-Theanine. Valerian. even Benadryl ? those PM things like Tylenol PM, all contain Benadryl aka diphenhydramine - will KNOCK you out!! -- Try that and keep us posted.

Yes Ballz. I remember back in 2018 I had ask you for advice on a "strain" for sleep since I have terrible insomnia, you told me to not waste a kratom dose at night. You were right on as usual. You recommended other things to take at night and I've never had a tolerance issue. I go around 16 hours from my last dose of the day, to my morning dose. You also have to be able to hydrate enough while taking kratom and if you are taking it at night, there is no way you can get enough hydration or you would never sleep! Also, I forgot to add for the original poster to maybe try a Delta 8 and melatonin at night before bed.

[agrarianmind]

Hey, thanks so much for the great advice. I'm gonna give the extended periods in between a try. I'm pretty good at quitting stuff, just kinda got caught up in this one. Appreciate it to all of you!

[terposton]

Hey, I've been consuming daily since 2019. At this point I'm up to probably 3 grams every 3 hours. This includes during the night, I wake up and take my stuff. Is this super unusual? Not sure. So, I'm looking for advice on how to cut back. I'm pretty sure I do not want to go CT. What would be the best way to do this without suffering too much? I started back in 2019 to help curtail my drinking habits and it worked. But now I need to cut back on this. By no means is this even comparable to what I was dealing with with alcohol, but still I'd like to not have it be such a huge part of my life. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Agarianmind, I first want to tell you how much I admire you for using Kratom to help curtail your drinking. I know that must be very difficult and admire anyone who wants to take charge of their life. I also want to apologize for my earlier post that was posted in a hurry and without really thinking.

Kratom or anything else should be used to make life better and easier. I've been using Kratom since 2016 and it has changed my life for the better. The advice I would give to you is to try to cut the middle of the night serving for sure. I have terrible insomnia but there are things I do that have helped. I take NatureMade Melatonin with L-Theanine. I take 3 of them every night about an hour before bed. I also take Doxylamine which is Unisom.I also sometimes take a Delta 8 gummie or a liquid drop in the evening. There are different strains and I can't remember which one is for sleep but look into it if you can. It's derived from hemp so I believe is legal everywhere and you can order it online. Your 3 gram dose is just fine but see if there is a dose you can skip. Also, I think it's fine if you dose 3 or 4 times a day if that's what you need to do and it doesn't affect your tolerance. Do all this gradually so as not to fall back on drinking but I bet you can do it.

There are a few of my fellow Double M posters who make taking Kratom almost like another job instead of like I said, to make life better and easier. Kratom has made my life so much better. Because of it, I've taken up hiking, volunteering for a homeless shelter and animal rescue so I hope you can find things that you enjoy so that Kratom enhances your life but not take it over.