L.H. White jong Kong

[Hulu2021]

the WJk at Lucky Herbals is very good. it makes me feel comfortable. mid spec.
i recommend it
batch 060425.

[WickedMadScientist]

the WJk at Lucky Herbals is very good. it makes me feel comfortable. mid spec.
i recommend it
batch 060425.

I have too much leaf, I still have some old stock on white krakatoa 102724 I still indulge in that is superb, it tested pretty decent too.

As of lately though, I won't buy leaf from vendors that don't do testing, aside from TFH lol, they are the one off exception, I really don't know why they don't have a place with all their COA's though for it's members for peace of mind. I do have to throw in the towel for some other vendors moving forward because, who knows what we are really getting in terms of bacterial, microbial, and elemental.

I developed some health issues that has me on the alert for these kinds of things now. I say this because there is only three COA's up for 60425 and doesn't explain if the WJK is a blend, or the B supplier white, regardless, all three COA's tested too high for me regarding yeast/mold. Also aerobic plate count (means higher level of bacteria, doesn't mean it could be bad, but nonetheless it's bacteria) 15,000 cfu/g for B supplier white is 15,000 times higher than what it should be. Let's be real.

I think my whole reply deserves it's own discussion and I think this whole forum and it's users are owed this knowledge and it's no longer a time of "not knowing" anymore. It should be normal practices for vendors to be super strict on the quality and don't sell leaf that tests above a certain level of mold/mildew, bacteria, and heavy metals. I looked back at older batches from some small batch vendors selling leaf with 1.3 ppm arsenic. Consuming 5-10grams of that everyday will eventually lead to cancer and tumors.

[GreenAnimal]

I developed some health issues that has me on the alert for these kinds of things now. I say this because there is only three COA's up for 60425 and doesn't explain if the WJK is a blend, or the B supplier white, regardless, all three COA's tested too high for me regarding yeast/mold. Also aerobic plate count (means higher level of bacteria, doesn't mean it could be bad, but nonetheless it's bacteria) 15,000 cfu/g for B supplier white is 15,000 times higher than what it should be. Let's be real.

If you're trying to be super safe due to health issues, you could always boil the powder which would remove bacteria. But unfortunately that won't do anything for any metals in it. I too often wonder how many metals I am consuming.

I think my whole reply deserves it's own discussion and I think this whole forum and it's users are owed this knowledge and it's no longer a time of "not knowing" anymore. It should be normal practices for vendors to be super strict on the quality and don't sell leaf that tests above a certain level of mold/mildew, bacteria, and heavy metals. tumors.

Many of the more reputable vendors do test their product, but just due to the nature of how testing works there's still a chance for some bad stuff to slip through. Only a small sample of is tested. For example if they get a few tons, they would just take a small amount of that and send it off. It wouldn't be possible to test every grain of powder because it is also destroyed by the process too.

[WickedMadScientist]

I developed some health issues that has me on the alert for these kinds of things now. I say this because there is only three COA's up for 60425 and doesn't explain if the WJK is a blend, or the B supplier white, regardless, all three COA's tested too high for me regarding yeast/mold. Also aerobic plate count (means higher level of bacteria, doesn't mean it could be bad, but nonetheless it's bacteria) 15,000 cfu/g for B supplier white is 15,000 times higher than what it should be. Let's be real.

If you're trying to be super safe due to health issues, you could always boil the powder which would remove bacteria. But unfortunately that won't do anything for any metals in it. I too often wonder how many metals I am consuming.

I think my whole reply deserves it's own discussion and I think this whole forum and it's users are owed this knowledge and it's no longer a time of "not knowing" anymore. It should be normal practices for vendors to be super strict on the quality and don't sell leaf that tests above a certain level of mold/mildew, bacteria, and heavy metals. tumors.

Many of the more reputable vendors do test their product, but just due to the nature of how testing works there's still a chance for some bad stuff to slip through. Only a small sample of is tested. For example if they get a few tons, they would just take a small amount of that and send it off. It wouldn't be possible to test every grain of powder because it is also destroyed by the process too.

Indeed! I just recently got back into making tea. You are spot on, it's true one sample won't be 100% accurate throughout a very large shipment unless superior quality control is done with sterilization as I'm recently learning about.

[BallzDeep9]

As of lately though, I won't buy leaf from vendors that don't do testing, aside from TFH lol, they are the one off exception, - I really don't know why they don't have a place with all their COA's though for it's members for peace of mind. I do have to throw in the towel for some other vendors moving forward because, who knows what we are really getting in terms of bacterial, microbial, and elemental.

I developed some health issues that has me on the alert for these kinds of things now. I say this because there is only three COA's up for 60425 and doesn't explain if the WJK is a blend, or the B supplier white, regardless, all three COA's tested too high for me regarding yeast/mold. Also aerobic plate count (means higher level of bacteria, doesn't mean it could be bad, but nonetheless it's bacteria) 15,000 cfu/g for B supplier white is 15,000 times higher than what it should be. Let's be real.

I think my whole reply deserves it's own discussion and I think - this whole forum and it's users are owed this knowledge and it's no longer a time of "not knowing" anymore. It should be normal practices for vendors to be super strict on the quality and don't sell leaf that tests above a certain level of mold/mildew, bacteria, and heavy metals. I looked back at older batches from some small batch vendors selling leaf with 1.3 ppm arsenic. Consuming 5-10grams of that everyday will eventually lead to cancer and tumors.

You're saying a lot here, Thank You for comments - I'm like you, have plenty of Leaf. NOT buying any more "Raw Powder", imo the Raw dirt these days is just weak - Alkaloid wise, due to the heavy "sterilization", Heat treatment, Gamma treatments - ALL done overseas. Someone asked about TFH ? Chris hasn't posted on MM for, what, a year ? two years ? I have NO doubt that TFH' business has changed, as the entire Industry has changed...

So, ONE solution to the Mold, Bacteria, Metals... IS "Herbal Extract" which, By Definition - REMOVES all that bad stuff! (Metals and minerals, are properties of the 97% DIRT content of Raw Kratom!) - However! With Extracts... We MAY have other issues. What kind of solvents are used? With Extract - We NEED a "Residual Solvents" Lab Report. Absolutely... that goes double for 7Oh Extract! But with Raw Powder - We need Potency Testing !! Many small Leaf vendors, ONLY test for Microbials - while 7Oh vendors, kind of the opposite problem - Only test Potency ??

Anyway... TODAY is the Big Debate (LINK:) Champs Las Vegas - AKA vs HART - should be very interesting. Meanwhile... things are fucked up. Health ? Politics ? I'm waiting to schedule Prostate Surgery. Not sure IF I can blame Kratom for that... probably not, But I'm very certain that Kratom has screwed up my Bladder. And hormones... Most Long Term users agree with that. Immune System: Hair Loss et cetera... I really HOPE, this Forum - will continue to discuss "important" issues. Otherwise... Fake "strains" of Raw Dirt ? I'll probably do like TFH, and quietly disappear.

[LuckyHerbals]

Hulu....thank you for the feedback. We don't get much of that online anymore.

We try to be as transparent as possible. Unfortunately, we don't get massive batches that we can lab test each "strain" or variety individually. For example...one popular vendor here in Texas gets 1 ton of each "strain" so it makes sense economically to lab test each "batch" of a particular strain. For our current B Supplier Lot (060425), we only received 20 to 40 kilos of each variety. Each full panel lab test costs $300. We are still VERY "small batch" (I know how you love that word Balls ), STILL this is our only stream of income, STILL raising 5 kids, STILL physically disabled (and getting worse?), BUT we still prioritize transparency and strive to do that while offering a quality product that is clean and safe. If you have a particular question about a batch, feel free to reach out anytime. Our number hasn't changed 210-610-5511 and our email [email protected]. Indonesia passed regulations and our B Supplier is GMP, has current export certifications and lab tests each individual variety for contaminants and potency. We lab tested all the greens together, all the whites together, and all the reds together. If something failed,l or the heavy metals came back high, we'd be forced to lab test them individually. I'm not saying this is the best practice, but everything from Lot 060425 has now been lab tested TWICE now. Individually in Indonesia and then as 3 separate color tests by us using Murray Brown.

The whole industry has changed. Reddit has been taken over by shills and fake accounts. Large vendors use "tester" groups to follow the market with dishonest or embellished reviews.

A lot of small batch guys have lost their business over the last 3 years. It's been rough for the little guy.

7OH is making a whole mess of everything.

Ballz...I'm sorry you're having the health issues. I hope they get resolved and you are on the road to recovery soon. I'd offer you some "DIRT" but I know you don't eat our trash anymore. for me, it's a lifesaver. Sincerely tho, take care man. I know you piss off alot of people, but you're still a cool dude in my book.

[BallzDeep9]

The whole industry has changed. Reddit has been taken over by shills and fake accounts. Large vendors use "tester" groups to follow the market with dishonest or embellished reviews.

A lot of small batch guys have lost their business over the last 3 years. It's been rough for the little guy. ... 7OH is making a whole mess of everything.

Ballz...I'm sorry you're having the health issues. I hope they get resolved and you are on the road to recovery soon. I'd offer you some "DIRT" but I know you don't eat our trash anymore. for me, it's a lifesaver. Sincerely tho, take care man. I know you piss off alot of people, but you're still a cool dude in my book.

haha Thanks Ben, I'm still holding some of your Fine Leaf - it's some of the "Best Dirt" I've had over recent years!- NO, I don't eat ANY raw powder, but I brew Red Bubble Tea with Lucky's Maeng Da, mixed ½ and ½ with Crushed Leaf... which I'm worried, is getting hard to find. "Small Batch" ?? seems no longer a real thing. Changes... I don't feel MM is big enough, to sub-divide ? Look, you have posted, like 3 times over a Year... Double MM needs more active Members... Lately I have dropped OFF Reddit - like you say, shills. Look around MM, it's mostly Herba Re-Leaf.. Other long time Members, rarely post anymore... Many, like myself, are no longer active Buyers. I have posted about Health issues, with little response.

Best of Luck, to you and Lucky's I'm still interested in Kratom, especially How to Process a "Weak Batch", & convert into Extract ? I have looked into bulk extraction, freeze drying, and other techniques so maybe something we could discuss at some point.

[GreenAnimal]

A lot of small batch guys have lost their business over the last 3 years. It's been rough for the little guy.

I’ve been seeing so much of this lately. It’s depressing.

7OH is making a whole mess of everything.

I also agree with this.

[Hulu2021]

the current supernova is great. very relaxing
0825

[Hulu2021]

yo the Red bali is even better than the supernova

[Hulu2021]

G hulu is fire

[Hulu2021]

that Red Bali 0825 is insane

[Hulu2021]

G Hulk is very good! if u like fast

[Hulu2021]

I urge you to get the Red Bali before it's gone forever

[Hulu2021]

ok so you have to get white krakatoa!

and i know im recommending a lot but to be fair theres some strains firm this drop that i dont like as well ,
like green krak, green dragon, white hulu.

but man if you get white krakatoa. red bali, G hulk, g hulu.
even supernova

[MadDevil11]

I thought the green krak was nice. It was a creeper. Took like 90 minutes to really kick in for me which is a long time.