Is it possible that Whites and Greens do NOTHING for me?

[demafrost]

Hi guys, I've been using kratom for about 7 months and its been great, but I've mostly used reds. Recently I've started experimenting with other strains...Yellows and golds have been good, even some bents but but greens and whites I was excited to try based on feedback.

So far I've taken 4 green strains and 1 white strain, from 3 different vendors and....I get absolutely nothing from all of them. Like I might as well be eating grass. I get very slight relaxation, but no mood lift, no pain relief, nothing at all. I am concerned that for some reason they just don't work for me. Is this even possible? It's just a different drying process but are the alkaloids all that different? I have a couple more greens and whites to try but I don't have a high hope (which probably doesn't help from a placebo effect.) I am going to try to do a white/red mix today to see if that can get something going.

Edit: I will say I've taken a strain that was just labeled Premium Maeng Da so that might have been a green or while and that strain was great

Help me! I don't want to limit myself to one color kratom.

[whiffypants]

Dem, you could be referring to me, except that for me it's reds that do almost nothing.

BUT -- when I started blending them with whites or yellows, suddenly they're more powerful than the greens and golds I was taking effectively before, and those were already plenty good. I've even had to decrease my red doses because they're so enhanced for me now in blends.

I usually blend 1:1 white (or other "catalyst" color) to red (non-active color) and get great results, but even if I decrease that to 1:2 or even 1:3, I still get -far- better results that I ever had with reds alone. I always got some anti-inflammatory and painkilling effect from reds, but zero mood lift/relaxation/sedation. Now all of it is enhanced.

It's just the crazy way kratom is, man -- different for everyone. But don't despair, and don't throw out your whites and greens. Instead, start blending them and see what happens, because a pinch of red may be what you need as a catalyst because of your personal chemistry. Begin with 1:1 -- my reasoning was that if it didn't work I'd still get half a dose out of it and nothing would be wasted. If that works out, then start playing with ratios.

This may or may not work for you, but it's worth a shot.

I was always reluctant to try whites and yellows for the longest time because I don't need anything that will make me more jittery or anxious; now, I only wish I hadn't waited so long.

[demafrost]

Dem, you could be referring to me, except that for me it's reds that do almost nothing.

BUT -- when I started blending them with whites or yellows, suddenly they're more powerful than the greens and golds I was taking effectively before, and those were already plenty good. I've even had to decrease my red doses because they're so enhanced for me now in blends.

I usually blend 1:1 white (or other "catalyst" color) to red (non-active color) and get great results, but even if I decrease that to 1:2 or even 1:3, I still get -far- better results that I ever had with reds alone. I always got some anti-inflammatory and painkilling effect from reds, but zero mood lift/relaxation/sedation. Now all of it is enhanced.

It's just the crazy way kratom is, man -- different for everyone. But don't despair, and don't throw out your whites and greens. Instead, start blending them and see what happens, because a pinch of red may be what you need as a catalyst because of your personal chemistry. Begin with 1:1 -- my reasoning was that if it didn't work I'd still get half a dose out of it and nothing would be wasted. If that works out, then start playing with ratios.

This may or may not work for you, but it's worth a shot.

I was always reluctant to try whites and yellows for the longest time because I don't need anything that will make me more jittery or anxious; now, I only wish I hadn't waited so long.

Appreciate the response, that makes me feel better. I am not a daily user but luckily one of my twice weekly "kratom days" is today. I will try this today with 1:1 white:red. Yes I think its so weird that you have the exact opposite issue as me...kratom is a crazy substance.

Also completely agree, I stayed away from whites for the longest time because I don't want the jitters...hopefully it's not as bad as I anticipate in my mind (I'm picturing taking adderall)

[herbalhippie]

I was always reluctant to try whites and yellows for the longest time because I don't need anything that will make me more jittery or anxious; now, I only wish I hadn't waited so long.

I just ordered a bit of my first fast white. I don't seem to be getting much from anything these days, even after a good stem & vein reset. Ima see if adding a bit of a fast white helps.

[whiffypants]

Also completely agree, I stayed away from whites for the longest time because I don't want the jitters...hopefully it's not as bad as I anticipate in my mind (I'm picturing taking adderall)

Not blended with a red I wouldn't think, but you just have to try it and see because you already know that where kratom's concerned, we're ALL outliers.

I just ordered a bit of my first fast white. I don't seem to be getting much from anything these days, even after a good stem & vein reset. Ima see if adding a bit of a fast white helps.

I'm sorry to hear that, I was hoping the S&V would work out for you. But your doses are still so low, comparatively speaking. About three weeks into kratom I had to move up from half gram to full gram doses, and that was okay for about a week; then I went up gradually and now sit at ~ 3g once or twice a day, sometimes less but never more.

Before the mandatory six-week t-break I was probably over that because I wasn't measuring carefully, but when I got back on afterward I got serious about measuring with the scale each and every time, and it has made a difference. I know you have been all along, but I remain -amazed- at your own low dose sizes.

Good luck with your fast white, though. What did you get? I definitely wanna know, now that I'm into whites.

[e_poison]

What about golds/yellows? Have you tried those?

[KrateAndVape]

Demafrost! Eyes on your own paper!
If I didn't know better, I would have thought I was reading one of MY posts from about a year or more ago. I WAS the exact same way: "Lived on" / loved Reds, Bali Gold, Bentuangie and started experimenting with Yellows with some success. Most Greens did nothing for me, no matter the dose, time of day, etc. etc. Other than making me jittery, White did nothing but put me to sleep... Even at small does. Like Whiffy suggested, blending always helped. I've always reacted to most blends.

BUT NOW, after almost 2 years of use, Greens are my go-to, but unfortunately Red and my beloved Golds just aren't wait they used to be. Very weak. I'm just now getting brave enough to try Whites again, in very small doses / mixes.

So... You're probably waiting to hear what I did to change how Greens effect me, right? Well, unfortunately, I do not know. I chalk it up to the "mystery of the plant". It just has a way of changing how you react to it.I'm even starting to get energy, YES ENERGY, from smaller Green doses and oddly enough Reds too. But the days of using larger Red doses to put me to sleep, are evidently behind me (for now, at least). My only advice, is for you to hold onto what doesn't work for you now, because you never know... there may come a time when it does. Enjoy what works NOW. And expect the unexpected from Kratom. Wish I could give more of a solution based answer. But this is my experience.

[demafrost]

Demafrost! Eyes on your own paper!
If I didn't know better, I would have thought I was reading one of MY posts from about a year or more ago. I WAS the exact same way: "Lived on" / loved Reds, Bali Gold, Bentuangie and started experimenting with Yellows with some success. Most Greens did nothing for me, no matter the dose, time of day, etc. etc. Other than making me jittery, White did nothing but put me to sleep... Even at small does. Like Whiffy suggested, blending always helped. I've always reacted to most blends.

BUT NOW, after almost 2 years of use, Greens are my go-to, but unfortunately Red and my beloved Golds just aren't wait they used to be. Very weak. I'm just now getting brave enough to try Whites again, in very small doses / mixes.

So... You're probably waiting to hear what I did to change how Greens effect me, right? Well, unfortunately, I do not know. I chalk it up to the "mystery of the plant". It just has a way of changing how you react to it.I'm even starting to get energy, YES ENERGY, from smaller Green doses and oddly enough Reds too. But the days of using larger Red doses to put me to sleep, are evidently behind me (for now, at least). My only advice, is for you to hold onto what doesn't work for you now, because you never know... there may come a time when it does. Enjoy what works NOW. And expect the unexpected from Kratom. Wish I could give more of a solution based answer. But this is my experience.

Holy crap, this certainly is a weird (but amazing) plant! Good advice, I appreciate it! I have held on to all my greens and whites that havent done anything to me with the hopes that they will in the future. I had one green MD strain from sacred life botanicals that multiple people reviewed and said it was an amazing batch and for me it did nothing. Hopefully one day it will

[herbalhippie]

Good luck with your fast white, though. What did you get? I definitely wanna know, now that I'm into whites.

White Sumatra from K-OG

[whiffypants]

White Sumatra from K-OG

Awesome! Let us know how it is when you try it.

[herbalhippie]

White Sumatra from K-OG

Awesome! Let us know how it is when you try it.

I will!

[KRA311]

I know of a few vendors who sell "Premium Maeng Da" and they claim it's a green vein.

Also, same as wiffy, reds do nothing for me outside of blends. So I definitely think it's possible that you experience the opposite situation.

[demafrost]

So update. I did a blend last night as suggested. 2g Red, 2g White, then 1g of a Green a few hours later. It...worked pretty good. Probably the best burn I've had in 3-4 weeks. Wasn't too jittery, really nice (but not intense) mood lift. I am very happy I tried this.

Best thing of all - I've had some major issues for the past ~2 months in getting really bad hangover symptoms the day after taking kratom. Tension headache that lasts until mid-afternoon, general lethargy, strong brain fog to the point where if I take it on a weeknight it destroys my productivity at work the next day. It's been bad enough and consistent enough that I've been re-evaluating my kratom usage and started considering once a week on the weekends (which isn't necessarily a bad thing but I like the 2x a week schedule). This morning I woke up feeling pretty damn good. No lethargy, no headache, very slight brain fog but nothing that will kill my workday. I don't know if it's random luck, or has something to do with taking a lot less red but I hope this is the norm moving forward!

Thanks for all advice even if I didn't get a chance to respond

[whiffypants]

Awesome! Great news! So glad it worked out for you. Thanks for reporting back, so we know how it worked out.

I hope others try out blending as well!

[KrateAndVape]

Good stuff, Demafrost! For me, I would alter that slightly: 2g red, 2g green and just 1g white. But that's just me. I'm so sensitive to the "White jitters". Glad that ratio worked for you. If it were me, I would use that blend sparingly. Usually, when I come up with a "kick-ass" blend, it works great the first few times but eventually loses it's "edge". Same goes for any "knock my socks off" strains I've gotten from vendors. Tolerance. I now use them as "treats"... or when I'm in a lot of pain. I still have nearly 1 oz. left of a 4 oz. batch of Socal's "Premium Red Sunda" that I got in March 2017. Knowing what I know now, I would have used it even more sparingly than I did. I'm just grateful I have that much left. It's a red that still works well for me.

[whiffypants]

Yeah, you -really- have to switch strains up regularly, even daily, to keep them working like they did.

Hey, you seen the FAQ yet? It's up now. (And I addressed this very topic therein.)

[KrateAndVape]

Hey, you seen the FAQ yet? It's up now. (And I addressed this very topic therein.)

Love it! Great job! I've read about half so far. Thank you for putting it together.

[whiffypants]

Thank you! Other than the mods, you might be our very first FAQ visitor.

Let me know what you think, and especially if you think I left any of the basics out. There are some things I just wasn't going to get into, like blending, potentiators, etc., but if I left out something essential definitely let me know. Thanks!

[KrateAndVape]

Whiffy, I'll take a closer look tomorrow on my day (night) off. Honestly, I got very used to "the guide" over there (single m). It's different to have each idea / topic broken-up, but at the same time allows for deeper exploration. It was kinda' overwhelming to see everything at once... even as someone who kinda knows what the heck he's doing regarding Kratom. (Kinda'! ) Lemme' delve deeper into it and I'll get back to you. But at first glance, looks good. It must have taken forever to compile. So, I, for one, truly and deeply appreciate it!

[e_poison]

It's different to have each idea / topic broken-up, but at the same time allows for deeper exploration.

If you prefer the non-broken up version, there is also the full FAQ available - http://www.doublemherbals.com/kratom-guide/

Whiffy did an excellent job on this. Very informative and valuable info!

[whiffypants]

Thanks, man. I actually started writing that FAQ in part because I couldn't easily navigate the one on the main sub, or find exactly what I wanted to know without hours of searching.

Also, I stand ready to post the BBCode full-length version whenever. Just let me know. But I think we've made a good start.