Average Dose? Anyone near me?

[KratomSavedMyLife]

I have yet to come across anyone anywhere that will openly admit to taking the amount that I do. I am becoming worried. I have been taking kratom now for about 3-4 months and I am currently taking 10-12 gram doses (toss&wash) 5-6x daily(60-70 grams total daily) Granted, I am an ex opioid addict that was on 80-90 10mg Percocet or Norco a day. No, that wasn’t a typo. Close to a hundred 10mg tablets daily. So I know my body has been abused and tolerance levels would be high no matter what. I had tried quitting with suboxone several times with no luck. Then I found kratom and it has literally saved my life. Also, I have ordered from and tried many often recommended vendors on here like Benni Botanicals and TFH so it is not a lack of quality issue.

I haven’t had any negative side effects whatsoever and I’m assuming because even at this high of daily intake, it’s nothing compared to what I was doing before. I have tried lower doses, 2-3gm and up with no luck.

I don’t plan to continue this dose forever, but is there anyone out there with any similar kratom usage that has come out of the other side okay? No question where I am at now is worlds better than where I was. But I am just becoming concerned with never seeing anyone that takes more than 4-5gm a couple times a day.

[Damen ck]

Welcome to the board. Glad you found kratom.

Kudos to you for your honesty. There's a lot of dose shaming that goes on that makes people not want to share, so I hope others will refrain from that in this thread. I don't think 100mg of hydro or oxy is really that high tbh, sounds like a regular habit to me. Definitely not small, but not that bad. Can you clarify if you're still taking Suboxone or not? The way you put it makes it a little unclear.

As far as kratom, the highest I've ever gotten was about 30 grams a day. 60-70 is definitely overkill. You could easily cut that in half and get the exact same effects...there's a ceiling effect and you're just pointlessly permafucking your tolerance. There's no real risk to it health wise like there is with all that acetaminophen you were taking before, but there's just no need to eat that much green powder. You've trained yourself to think you always need more, more, more. It's an addiction thing, so don't feel bad. You can slowly reduce your dose over time and retrain your brain. Everyone is different with how much they need. Some people can be low at 5-10gpd, others that have a lot of pain need more.
Once you stabilize from the opis, you can work your way down and find a more manageable dose than 60-70gpd. You'll feel better for it.

However, you are better off with kratom than being addicted to opiates and putting your liver through hell with the acetaminophen, for sure. But make no mistake, if you go cold turkey off kratom at the dose you're at, you will experience something similar to opiate withdrawal.


Cue a bunch of "less is more" posts.

[Mahoganyrush]

Hello, I'm not taking that high of a dose I do dose between 20 and 30 grams per day, I have MS so I use it for pain and a mood boost even at the dose I'm taking it's probably way to much, maybe try to spread out smaller doses during the day if you have not tried that ii also use dlpa when I want to take a break or just reduce my dose, lots of good threads on here about potentiators and help with withdrawals.

[KratomSavedMyLife]

Welcome to the board. Glad you found kratom.

Kudos to you for your honesty. There's a lot of dose shaming that goes on that makes people not want to share, so I hope others will refrain from that in this thread. I don't think 100mg of hydro or oxy is really that high tbh, sounds like a regular habit to me. Definitely not small, but not that bad. Can you clarify if you're still taking Suboxone or not? The way you put it makes it a little unclear.

As far as kratom, the highest I've ever gotten was about 30 grams a day. 60-70 is definitely overkill. You could easily cut that in half and get the exact same effects...there's a ceiling effect and you're just pointlessly permafucking your tolerance. There's no real risk to it health wise like there is with all that acetaminophen you were taking before, but there's just no need to eat that much green powder. You've trained yourself to think you always need more, more, more. It's an addiction thing, so don't feel bad. You can slowly reduce your dose over time and retrain your brain. Everyone is different with how much they need. Some people can be low at 5-10gpd, others that have a lot of pain need more.
Once you stabilize from the opis, you can work your way down and find a more manageable dose than 60-70gpd. You'll feel better for it.

However, you are better off with kratom than being addicted to opiates and putting your liver through hell with the acetaminophen, for sure. But make no mistake, if you go cold turkey off kratom at the dose you're at, you will experience something similar to opiate withdrawal.


Cue a bunch of "less is more" posts.

No bro, I was taking 80-90 10mg tablets a day. So 800-900mg of oxy or hydro and about 20,000-25,000 mg of acetaminophen a day. I’m very lucky to be alive and I know it.

And no, I’m not taking sub. I tried several times but no luck and would go back to the opiates. But I quit opiates cold turkey with kratom. It was rough for a few days but nothing like it would have been.

I have legit issues with my spine and that is why I started taking pain med in the first place. So now that I’m taking kratom, lower doses don’t give me the pain relief I still need along with not being able to sleep with the lower doses. I feel like my body was used to such abuse that low doses of kratom we’re just not remotely touching me. I know I have an addictive personality and I’m definitely trying to get it under control. I just feel like right now my body just requires so much more than normal but idk. I appreciate your response.

[zachdank]

Don't post much but ima have to jump in on this one. 20,000 -25,000mg a day of acetaminophen??? hmmmmm have you had your liver enzymes checked since taking these doses? Because some people with a normal liver function have dropped dead on a lower dose than that in 24 hours. Thats pretty much a fatal does or at minimum permanent liver damage at doses near that more than a few days in a row. A single 24 hour period with that level acetaminophen is for sure an overdose regardless of showing symptoms or not. Now a lot of days in a row anywhere near that level is without question multiple overdoses in a row. The liver is an amazing and insanely durable organ. Problem is you can damage the liver beyond repair without showing symptoms at all. Id seriously advise going and getting your liver enzymes checked.
The other problem is that taking super high doses of kratom like you're saying would be taxing an already heavily taxed liver. Theres no real science showing negative kratom effects on the liver but i don't care what substance you take plant, chemical or what have you, the liver is still going to need to put in work to process that high of alkaloid content.
Not trying to rain on your parade or be a dick. Just suggesting if you have really been doing everything on the level you're saying here then you are for SURE highly at risk for serious liver injury.
I also used kratom a good while ago to finally kick synthetic opioid pain meds. It was a shit life using those things for several years to get through real levels of pain. Gonna have to say that Kratom with out question not only most likely saved my life but gave me back a much much higher quality of life.
I was also at one point consuming dangerously high levels of acetaminophen. No where near what you are saying, but stupid high none the less. To the point where i started using cold water extract to save my liver. Thank the fuckin kratom gods those days are going behind me forever.
I also agree with Damon.You could get away with 2/3rds that dose of kratom easily and get the EXACT same effects. When i kicked pain meds i studied the shit out of what the average person was successful with dose wise. I found 7 gram doses every 5 hours got me through 2 weeks of what would have normally been severe withdrawal. Then i slowly tapered back to 5-6 gram doses 2-3 times a day. Been on that dose for a good long time now with zero complaints. Its all about the insanely high quality kratom you can find on this forum. It keeps the dose needs way lower than normal.
Good luck brotha. Stay strong and stick with the Sweat Leaf

[KratomSavedMyLife]

Don't post much but ima have to jump in on this one. 20,000 -25,000mg a day of acetaminophen??? hmmmmm have you had your liver enzymes checked since taking these doses? Because some people with a normal liver function have dropped dead on a lower dose than that in 24 hours. Thats pretty much a fatal does or at minimum permanent liver damage at doses near that more than a few days in a row. A single 24 hour period with that level acetaminophen is for sure an overdose regardless of showing symptoms or not. Now a lot of days in a row anywhere near that level is without question multiple overdoses in a row. The liver is an amazing and insanely durable organ. Problem is you can damage the liver beyond repair without showing symptoms at all. Id seriously advise going and getting your liver enzymes checked.
The other problem is that taking super high doses of kratom like you're saying would be taxing an already heavily taxed liver. Theres no real science showing negative kratom effects on the liver but i don't care what substance you take plant, chemical or what have you, the liver is still going to need to put in work to process that high of alkaloid content.
Not trying to rain on your parade or be a dick. Just suggesting if you have really been doing everything on the level you're saying here then you are for SURE highly at risk for serious liver injury.
I also used kratom a good while ago to finally kick synthetic opioid pain meds. It was a shit life using those things for several years to get through real levels of pain. Gonna have to say that Kratom with out question not only most likely saved my life but gave me back a much much higher quality of life.
I was also at one point consuming dangerously high levels of acetaminophen. No where near what you are saying, but stupid high none the less. To the point where i started using cold water extract to save my liver. Thank the fuckin kratom gods those days are going behind me forever.
I also agree with Damon.You could get away with 2/3rds that dose of kratom easily and get the EXACT same effects. When i kicked pain meds i studied the shit out of what the average person was successful with dose wise. I found 7 gram doses every 5 hours got me through 2 weeks of what would have normally been severe withdrawal. Then i slowly tapered back to 5-6 gram doses 2-3 times a day. Been on that dose for a good long time now with zero complaints. Its all about the insanely high quality kratom you can find on this forum. It keeps the dose needs way lower than normal.
Good luck brotha. Stay strong and stick with the Sweat Leaf

Well I began taking opiates in 2014 after a back surgery at prescribed amounts and slowly increased to the ridiculous amounts I was at. In the last year and 1/2 of taking them, I never took less than 50 10mg tablets a day and the last 6-12 months I averaged 70-90 10mg tablets a day. And every Percocet or Norco tablet has 325 mg of acetaminophen. So the math adds up to well over 20,000 mg daily and close to 30,000 mg daily. So I didn’t just randomly take that much. It was a slow increase from a prescribed dose to what I finally stopped at. So yes, I had years of daily amounts that is considered to be fatal. And it’s a miracle but I have had all liver and kidney function labs done and yes there’s small discrepancies but nothing major. And trust me, it’s not easy for me to admit this type of stuff. So I’m just being completely honest about my history and current kratom usage to hear from anyone else with similar usage.


But again, with lower doses I personally don’t get the same effects. And trust me, with every single new vendor I try again and I run into the same issues of not being able to sleep and not getting any pain relief. In the 3-4 months taking kratom, I have built up several thousands of dollars of stock from different vendors that either didn’t help or that gave me bad effects like jitters. Also, I have bad anxiety and lower doses make it so much worse. Either from it just not being enough, or the kratom itself making it worse, I don’t know. And even at my levels of daily kratom use, I have never been constipated, stomach pain, wobbles or anything else commonly talked about on here.

I believe my body is very unique and very resilient to substances and it’s hard to deny when you consider the levels of opiate and acetaminophen I have been at for years and have hardly noticeable effects on my body. I was just curious if there was anyone else out there that use similar amounts.

[BallzDeep9]

20,000 -25,000mg a day of acetaminophen ??? hmmmmm have you had your liver enzymes checked since taking these doses? Because some people with a normal liver function have dropped dead on a lower dose than that in 24 hours.. Thats pretty much a fatal dose or at minimum permanent liver damage at doses near that more than a few days in a row. A single 24 hour period with that level acetaminophen is for sure an overdose ...

Yes. We all probably know, the MAX recommended dose is 4 grams, that's 4000 mg Acetaminophen per day, and that's only sustainable for a few days in a hospital setting.. There IS a medical paper online, stating that 10 to 15,000 mg is the absolute 1-Day breaking point for Liver Failure. IF he's correct, he's looking at a liver transplant, minimum, and probably kidney dialysis long term.. and let me guess. Age ?? I guess us taxpayers, will be paying for his long-term expensive Medical Treatment the rest of his life?

I'm not buying this, and anyway... what's his point? Bragging about drug abuse, is very common on Reddit: "Hey Bro, I was doing XX amount of Heroin a Day!!" Just druggie culture... NO drug Treatment Program, 12-Step or NA Group would tolerate any BS posting or drug talk like this. We are not Doctors here.. He's got very serious, physical AND mental problems. Please seek professional Help.

The concern is that serious Kratom Abusers are fucking it up for everyone else.. Fuck that. We don't need Drug Abusers, crying to their Doctor or Therapist, that they're O.D.'ing on Kratom choking down 60 gpd of powder every day and can't stop... that's what has and will, lead to kratom getting banned!! Don't need to remind everyone the Legal Status of kratom?

Reminder: Mental Illness, is a thing. Open Forums, do attract a few people who need HELP. Let's encourage them to Seek Help!

[zachdank]

Well I began taking opiates in 2014 after a back surgery at prescribed amounts and slowly increased to the ridiculous amounts I was at. In the last year and 1/2 of taking them, I never took less than 50 10mg tablets a day and the last 6-12 months I averaged 70-90 10mg tablets a day. And every Percocet or Norco tablet has 325 mg of acetaminophen. So the math adds up to well over 20,000 mg daily and close to 30,000 mg daily. So I didn’t just randomly take that much. It was a slow increase from a prescribed dose to what I finally stopped at. So yes, I had years of daily amounts that is considered to be fatal. And it’s a miracle but I have had all liver and kidney function labs done and yes there’s small discrepancies but nothing major. And trust me, it’s not easy for me to admit this type of stuff. So I’m just being completely honest about my history and current kratom usage to hear from anyone else with similar usage.


But again, with lower doses I personally don’t get the same effects. And trust me, with every single new vendor I try again and I run into the same issues of not being able to sleep and not getting any pain relief. In the 3-4 months taking kratom, I have built up several thousands of dollars of stock from different vendors that either didn’t help or that gave me bad effects like jitters. Also, I have bad anxiety and lower doses make it so much worse. Either from it just not being enough, or the kratom itself making it worse, I don’t know. And even at my levels of daily kratom use, I have never been constipated, stomach pain, wobbles or anything else commonly talked about on here.

I believe my body is very unique and very resilient to substances and it’s hard to deny when you consider the levels of opiate and acetaminophen I have been at for years and have hardly noticeable effects on my body. I was just curious if there was anyone else out there that use similar amounts.

Hey bud i wasn't knocking you one bit. Im not into "dose shaming" like ive seen a couple peeps around here do. To each his own. In fact im not into judging anybody in life for their personal choices especially when those choices have zero harmful effects on other people.
I was just offering my opinion based off my own personal experiences and the endless years and hours of research ive done on this exact subject. To say you're "just being honest" to me is just a good way to get "honest advice" from what ive found to be the most knowledgable group of kratom experienced people ive managed to find from all over the internet. Double m isn't that big of an active community (at least people posting) but the people who do chime in here have the most reasonable and honest/educated advise ive found from reddit to mere to every other kratom forum i could dig up for the last couple years.
So any words/advise you get here IMO will be some of the most valuable yolk most likely come across.

As far as your pain/injury/surgery and your opiate dosage and scale for the timeline you laid out, I have some very similar parallels with your story so i weighed in. Now the one thing i can say/agree with you on is that human biology and personal body chemistry has proven to be beyond unpredictable and a 'one dose fits everybody" situation. Its just not that way. So people like you that say they only get affects off 10+ gram doses several times a day is not at all impossible. Just might be the way your body reacts. But in my experience if you knock your dose down a half gram at a time for several weeks until you get somewhere between 6-8 grams a dose i can almost guarantee that your body will react and you will find those doses to be just as effective as your current dose.
Most people that ive seen claim the same massive doses as you're taking haven't tried to stay committed to getting down to a more manageable dose. It doesn't happen overnight. And i know how much of a struggle it is for people like you and myself to dose manage properly coming from a background of extremely high synthetic opiate doses.
Once again not dose shaming you or talking down to you. Just giving my honest opinion from very similar experiences a long while ago.
My opiate doses at one point were easily at the asme level as your highest doses. I just didn't consume 1/4rth the acetaminophen. And back injury was the least of my problems. I had back surgery for compression fracturing the shit out of 4 vertebrae. On top of a broken neck, fractured skull, 9 inch metal rods in both my legs, all my front teeth smashed out multiple times with multiple dental surgeries. So im no stranger to severe pain, and high doses of opiatre pain meds that were almost the end of me.
And our of the exact same high doses of Oxy/norco/percs for years i went into 7 gram doses of quality kratom every 5 hours around the clock for several weeks. Id say it put my withdrawal process at 20-30% of what it normally would have been. I tried several doses of 10 grams and it did nothing for me. So 7 grams was my sweet split for withdrawal. But after withdrawal was long long behind me tapering down was a bitch. It was far worth the pain in the ass tho. Now i get more consistent pain relief/anxiety relief/and sleep aid from 5-6 gram doses than i got off of 2x 80mg oxy OCs. So my body chemistry is very goods to me for the use of Kratom. Im alive today just because of great quality leaf and some of the advise from people off this very forum.
Hope your doses keep working for you or you find what info you're searching for. Ive seen several people that take your dose. They just never really seam satisfied with the results. Could be a number of reasons. To each their own. Good luck bro

[Terpbliss]

What caught my eye is that you were taking suboxone.
Im on 24 mg of suboxone which is the highest you can be on in Hawaii. However, I've been taking an extra two to three a night and shooting myself in the foot by taking away from my own supply.

I now have only 2mg to take for 10 days til I get my refill. I live in a small town in Hawaii and they sell capsules at the head shop. I bought Red Bahli 1/2 g capsules. Will this help with my withdrawals and how much/how often should I dose? Pleeaase help. So grateful and much Aloha in advance. Mahalo

[WalrusGuardian]

I've gone up to 15-16g doses and what must have been at least 60 grams per day. Testing the limits of its pain relief after injuries. Wasn't really troublesome to get down to 3.5-4g per dose. Especially at that 7+ gram range it was easy to cut a few grams without any other adjustment. I've never experienced any other form of dependency so I can't compare, but it seemed like there were surprisingly little consequences for doing that as long as I did. I will say that its effects besides pain relief work better for me below 5g, so if this high dose schedule isn't a response to significant chronic pain, I think there's plenty of reason to try dropping down. Wait for 4-5 days to see if tolerance will stabilize etc. Wish I had kept my doses low and fought harder for natural methods of pain relief.

[KratomSavedMyLife]

What caught my eye is that you were taking suboxone.
Im on 24 mg of suboxone which is the highest you can be on in Hawaii. However, I've been taking an extra two to three a night and shooting myself in the foot by taking away from my own supply.

I now have only 2mg to take for 10 days til I get my refill. I live in a small town in Hawaii and they sell capsules at the head shop. I bought Red Bahli 1/2 g capsules. Will this help with my withdrawals and how much/how often should I dose? Pleeaase help. So grateful and much Aloha in advance. Mahalo

Yes, absolutely it will help. I was given 32mg daily of sub so 4 of the 8mg strips daily and never once did it help even remotely like kratom has helped. The depression on top of everything else is so real when it comes to getting off opiates and suboxone didn’t help me at all. I would start with maybe 4-5 of the 1/2g capsules and go from there. Suboxone has a very long half-life so you can start introducing the kratom maybe 24 hours after your last sub dose but probably won’t truly need it till 36-48 hours after your last sub dose. But start low and go from there. The mood enhancement and the ability to still eat made a world of difference. My body still ached and I didn’t sleep hardly at all the first week. Greens work the best for me though. Reds are best for pain relief/sleep but don’t do much for mood enhancement. Certain greens are the perfect middle ground in my opinion. But I promise you bro, go into it with an open mind and I guarantee you, you will come out the other side never wanting to take suboxone again. And you won’t need it. Good luck and if you have any other questions just come back and ask.

[KratomSavedMyLife]

20,000 -25,000mg a day of acetaminophen ??? hmmmmm have you had your liver enzymes checked since taking these doses? Because some people with a normal liver function have dropped dead on a lower dose than that in 24 hours.. Thats pretty much a fatal dose or at minimum permanent liver damage at doses near that more than a few days in a row. A single 24 hour period with that level acetaminophen is for sure an overdose ...

Yes. We all probably know, the MAX recommended dose is 4 grams, that's 4000 mg Acetaminophen per day, and that's only sustainable for a few days in a hospital setting.. There IS a medical paper online, stating that 10 to 15,000 mg is the absolute 1-Day breaking point for Liver Failure. IF he's correct, he's looking at a liver transplant, minimum, and probably kidney dialysis long term.. and let me guess. Age ?? I guess us taxpayers, will be paying for his long-term expensive Medical Treatment the rest of his life?

I'm not buying this, and anyway... what's his point? Bragging about drug abuse, is very common on Reddit: "Hey Bro, I was doing XX amount of Heroin a Day!!" Just druggie culture... NO drug Treatment Program, 12-Step or NA Group would tolerate any BS posting or drug talk like this. We are not Doctors here.. He's got very serious, physical AND mental problems. Please seek professional Help.

The concern is that serious Kratom Abusers are fucking it up for everyone else.. Fuck that. We don't need Drug Abusers, crying to their Doctor or Therapist, that they're O.D.'ing on Kratom choking down 60 gpd of powder every day and can't stop... that's what has and will, lead to kratom getting banned!! Don't need to remind everyone the Legal Status of kratom?

Reminder: Mental Illness, is a thing. Open Forums, do attract a few people who need HELP. Let's encourage them to Seek Help!

First, you’re a clown. I wasn’t bragging about anything. You think that’s something to brag about? I just wanted to add my history so people knew what I was coming off of to add a little more context as to why my body doesn’t respond until high doses of kratom.

Secondly, do you think I could have possibly afforded a habit like that if I was the type to be living off the government and taxpayers? Im 28 and guarantee I have a better job and pay more taxes than you ever will.

You don’t know shit about me so quit acting like you do.

[KratomSavedMyLife]

Well I began taking opiates in 2014 after a back surgery at prescribed amounts and slowly increased to the ridiculous amounts I was at. In the last year and 1/2 of taking them, I never took less than 50 10mg tablets a day and the last 6-12 months I averaged 70-90 10mg tablets a day. And every Percocet or Norco tablet has 325 mg of acetaminophen. So the math adds up to well over 20,000 mg daily and close to 30,000 mg daily. So I didn’t just randomly take that much. It was a slow increase from a prescribed dose to what I finally stopped at. So yes, I had years of daily amounts that is considered to be fatal. And it’s a miracle but I have had all liver and kidney function labs done and yes there’s small discrepancies but nothing major. And trust me, it’s not easy for me to admit this type of stuff. So I’m just being completely honest about my history and current kratom usage to hear from anyone else with similar usage.


But again, with lower doses I personally don’t get the same effects. And trust me, with every single new vendor I try again and I run into the same issues of not being able to sleep and not getting any pain relief. In the 3-4 months taking kratom, I have built up several thousands of dollars of stock from different vendors that either didn’t help or that gave me bad effects like jitters. Also, I have bad anxiety and lower doses make it so much worse. Either from it just not being enough, or the kratom itself making it worse, I don’t know. And even at my levels of daily kratom use, I have never been constipated, stomach pain, wobbles or anything else commonly talked about on here.

I believe my body is very unique and very resilient to substances and it’s hard to deny when you consider the levels of opiate and acetaminophen I have been at for years and have hardly noticeable effects on my body. I was just curious if there was anyone else out there that use similar amounts.

Hey bud i wasn't knocking you one bit. Im not into "dose shaming" like ive seen a couple peeps around here do. To each his own. In fact im not into judging anybody in life for their personal choices especially when those choices have zero harmful effects on other people.
I was just offering my opinion based off my own personal experiences and the endless years and hours of research ive done on this exact subject. To say you're "just being honest" to me is just a good way to get "honest advice" from what ive found to be the most knowledgable group of kratom experienced people ive managed to find from all over the internet. Double m isn't that big of an active community (at least people posting) but the people who do chime in here have the most reasonable and honest/educated advise ive found from reddit to mere to every other kratom forum i could dig up for the last couple years.
So any words/advise you get here IMO will be some of the most valuable yolk most likely come across.

As far as your pain/injury/surgery and your opiate dosage and scale for the timeline you laid out, I have some very similar parallels with your story so i weighed in. Now the one thing i can say/agree with you on is that human biology and personal body chemistry has proven to be beyond unpredictable and a 'one dose fits everybody" situation. Its just not that way. So people like you that say they only get affects off 10+ gram doses several times a day is not at all impossible. Just might be the way your body reacts. But in my experience if you knock your dose down a half gram at a time for several weeks until you get somewhere between 6-8 grams a dose i can almost guarantee that your body will react and you will find those doses to be just as effective as your current dose.
Most people that ive seen claim the same massive doses as you're taking haven't tried to stay committed to getting down to a more manageable dose. It doesn't happen overnight. And i know how much of a struggle it is for people like you and myself to dose manage properly coming from a background of extremely high synthetic opiate doses.
Once again not dose shaming you or talking down to you. Just giving my honest opinion from very similar experiences a long while ago.
My opiate doses at one point were easily at the asme level as your highest doses. I just didn't consume 1/4rth the acetaminophen. And back injury was the least of my problems. I had back surgery for compression fracturing the shit out of 4 vertebrae. On top of a broken neck, fractured skull, 9 inch metal rods in both my legs, all my front teeth smashed out multiple times with multiple dental surgeries. So im no stranger to severe pain, and high doses of opiatre pain meds that were almost the end of me.
And our of the exact same high doses of Oxy/norco/percs for years i went into 7 gram doses of quality kratom every 5 hours around the clock for several weeks. Id say it put my withdrawal process at 20-30% of what it normally would have been. I tried several doses of 10 grams and it did nothing for me. So 7 grams was my sweet split for withdrawal. But after withdrawal was long long behind me tapering down was a bitch. It was far worth the pain in the ass tho. Now i get more consistent pain relief/anxiety relief/and sleep aid from 5-6 gram doses than i got off of 2x 80mg oxy OCs. So my body chemistry is very goods to me for the use of Kratom. Im alive today just because of great quality leaf and some of the advise from people off this very forum.
Hope your doses keep working for you or you find what info you're searching for. Ive seen several people that take your dose. They just never really seam satisfied with the results. Could be a number of reasons. To each their own. Good luck bro

No not at all, you’re all good. I just didn’t want to have absolutely no context to my situation and have every person saying I should be taking 2 grams a day without knowing what my body was used to. As much as most people like to ignore it, there are definitely some similarities between kratom and opiates. I’m well aware that my liver should’ve failed a long time ago. Why it didn’t, I have no idea. All I know is I just had a full liver and kidney function panel done about a week ago and there was very little concern from my doctor.

I appreciate you being honest and sharing your experience. That’s all I was hoping for. Some people that might be taking or have taken similar amounts of kratom.

It’s people like that douche bag ballzdeep that are quick to judge and talk shit when they have no clue about someone or their situation, that is going to stop more people from coming here for advice and guidance.

I strongly believe that kratom is the answer to the opiate crisis in the US and maybe more people could get the advice they needed if they were able to come here without people like him so quick to judge and run their mouths.

[Damen ck]

No need to hurl personal insults and fan the flames. Let's all chill out here.

[YngwieShreds]

I have yet to come across anyone anywhere that will openly admit to taking the amount that I do. I am becoming worried. I have been taking kratom now for about 3-4 months and I am currently taking 10-12 gram doses (toss&wash) 5-6x daily(60-70 grams total daily) Granted, I am an ex opioid addict that was on 80-90 10mg Percocet or Norco a day. No, that wasn’t a typo. Close to a hundred 10mg tablets daily. So I know my body has been abused and tolerance levels would be high no matter what. I had tried quitting with suboxone several times with no luck. Then I found kratom and it has literally saved my life. Also, I have ordered from and tried many often recommended vendors on here like Benni Botanicals and TFH so it is not a lack of quality issue.

I haven’t had any negative side effects whatsoever and I’m assuming because even at this high of daily intake, it’s nothing compared to what I was doing before. I have tried lower doses, 2-3gm and up with no luck.

I don’t plan to continue this dose forever, but is there anyone out there with any similar kratom usage that has come out of the other side okay? No question where I am at now is worlds better than where I was. But I am just becoming concerned with never seeing anyone that takes more than 4-5gm a couple times a day.

For a few years I was taking 15 to 18g doses 3 to 4 times a day, definitely over 50gpd. I thought kratom was getting weak but it was my tolerance going up. That sustained for a few years and then I started to not get the mood benefits,so I've cut that in half and now take less than 30gpd, and my doeses are about 8g.

I started weighing every dose. After a week or so, I started getting the effects back. You can certainly cut down. Be aware, you have to accept that during the taper period your goal is to just feel normal, not to get the effects that you typically want. I haven't had any withdrawal, and pretty soon I'll be cutting it in half again and trying that for a few weeks. Some people just need more than others, but as soon as you start creeping up in dosage, you have to pull back and taper.

I know may people who went too wild with kratom. Nothing terrible happened, but of course it's not sustainable and you end up being obsessed with it once the honeymoon phase ends.

Also, you have to continually remind yourself that there is a ceiling effect. It's not like alcohol where, even if your tolerance is high, you still get a buzz/drunk if you just drink more. Kratom doesn't work like that because of the agonist/antagonist mix in the leaf.

[acejestyr15]

It’s people like that douche bag ballzdeep that are quick to judge and talk shit when they have no clue about someone or their situation, that is going to stop more people from coming here for advice and guidance.

I strongly believe that kratom is the answer to the opiate crisis in the US and maybe more people could get the advice they needed if they were able to come here without people like him so quick to judge and run their mouths.

Hey KSML, welcome!!! I understand your feelings about what has been said by certain individuals..... BUT we do not allow personal insults, aggressive behavior, and any type stuff here. Please keep the convos civil or we will have to lock this topic, which I don't want to do seeing as you obviously came here looking for advice.

My 2 cents..... Take whatever advice makes sense to you and run with it, and don't worry about all the rest!!! Please once again, just keep it civil here in the future. Kratom on, friends

[BallzDeep9]

Im 28 and guarantee I have a better job and pay more taxes than you ever will...

No problem! In response to "Average Dose? Anyone near me?" the answer is... No! You Da Man!!

I'm > twice your age buddy. My ex wife survived a Liver Transplant. Curtis Salgado survived one & he's still singin' the Blues.. My friend who died in Dec. spent half his years in State Mental Hospital.. it saved his life, at your age. All I said was, find a doctor and Seek Help. Nothing wrong with asking for help .. If your doctor sucks then find a different one. Kratom IS only a Partial Agonist, taking more & more does not change that... Many people who "get into" kratom, are not satisfied or / looking for something else.. I hope U find Peace.