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Corde32 wrote:I'm with you on reaching more people in the opioid trap. I was injured at work years ago and spent 5 years heavily addicted to opiates, the only clean time I had in that entire period was my time using kratom instead. I was given suboxone to come off and felt like a zombie...but with kratom I felt alive again and really just started enjoying life again.
Well we have a pretty significant thing in common then. I don't know about you, but I feel incredibly lucky and grateful to even be alive after making it through 5 long years of that he'll. Glad you made it out the other side brotha. Like I said I respect your opinion and your right to voice it however you feel is right for you. You may have started this thread but I wasn't specificly or intentionally attacking or trying to insult you. My issue is actually with a couple other members that have literally run off more than a few good hearted people that were just looking for help genuinely. But because they weren't aware of the "secret code" they were insulted and made fun of at the same time lectured and ridiculed for using the wrong terminology that certain members push out as fact when it actually couldn't be farther from fact. Just a biased opinion. More than a lot too. Telling new members that they actually haven't ever experienced ANY euphoria from Kratom and if they think they have they are junkie losers. And no I'm not exaggerating the slightest. I've seen it get far worse than that. Not including the "dose shaming"
It's all pretty frustrating knowing that from my own personal past there was a time I needed real help and guidance. Not lied to or ridiculed.
Once again corde, none of that was directed at you.
Corde32 wrote:
Well we have a pretty significant thing in common then. I don't know about you, but I feel incredibly lucky and grateful to even be alive after making it through 5 long years of that he'll. Glad you made it out the other side brotha. Like I said I respect your opinion and your right to voice it however you feel is right for you. You may have started this thread but I wasn't specificly or intentionally attacking or trying to insult you. My issue is actually with a couple other members that have literally run off more than a few good hearted people that were just looking for help genuinely. But because they weren't aware of the "secret code" they were insulted and made fun of at the same time lectured and ridiculed for using the wrong terminology that certain members push out as fact when it actually couldn't be farther from fact. Just a biased opinion. More than a lot too. Telling new members that they actually haven't ever experienced ANY euphoria from Kratom and if they think they have they are junkie losers. And no I'm not exaggerating the slightest. I've seen it get far worse than that. Not including the "dose shaming"
It's all pretty frustrating knowing that from my own personal past there was a time I needed real help and guidance. Not lied to or ridiculed.
Once again corde, none of that was directed at you.
You are good buddy I actually enjoy having stimulating conversations with people if we all had the same opinions things would be pretty lame. I would never persecute anyone for anything like that. I definitely have seen the dose shaming here and there, hell I dose 6 to 7 grams each dose these days(3 teaspoons) there was a time where I dosed 8 to 10 grams 3 times a day, but it was a hell of a lot better than 200mgs of oxy a day.
Corde32 wrote:
You are good buddy I actually enjoy having stimulating conversations with people if we all had the same opinions things would be pretty lame. I would never persecute anyone for anything like that. I definitely have seen the dose shaming here and there, hell I dose 6 to 7 grams each dose these days(3 teaspoons) there was a time where I dosed 8 to 10 grams 3 times a day, but it was a hell of a lot better than 200mgs of oxy a day.
Word! Could not agree more. Strange how quickly great leaf changed all that for me. It was almost as if i couldn't believe what was happening for a solid month of getting off a lot of opiates with a kilo of Sosa when i had tried 50 different headshop brands of kratom the previous 3 years thinking yeah right this crap will never help me
Turns out it saved my life
Corde32 wrote:
You are good buddy I actually enjoy having stimulating conversations with people if we all had the same opinions things would be pretty lame. I would never persecute anyone for anything like that. I definitely have seen the dose shaming here and there, hell I dose 6 to 7 grams each dose these days(3 teaspoons) there was a time where I dosed 8 to 10 grams 3 times a day, but it was a hell of a lot better than 200mgs of oxy a day.
Word! Could not agree more. Strange how quickly great leaf changed all that for me. It was almost as if i couldn't believe what was happening for a solid month of getting off a lot of opiates with a kilo of Sosa when i had tried 50 different headshop brands of kratom the previous 3 years thinking yeah right this crap will never help me
Turns out it saved my life
MycatTimmy wrote:
Thank goodness you stuck with it Zach.
Ya no doubt. Thanks for that comment. Im sure there are more than a handful of people on DoubleM that walked the exact same path as me. Hence the reason i cant sit back and let misinformation get passed around on a critical forum with THOUSANDS of lurkers that do not post but are searching for a way off of hardcore opiates. Kratom is the answer to getting massive amounts of people off of opiates for good. I Could not possibly believe in that anymore. If it wasn't for the Euphoria and massive mood lift/antidepressant factor that i got from good quality kratom then i don't believe id be here today. I was right at the beginning of massive quantities of Fentanyl being used to make counterfeit pills. I accidentally took Fentanyl at least 3 times over the last year of being on prescription opiates. At one point i was like, well its just a matter of time now. Never messed with any hard drugs in my life. Just prescribed a monthly script of Norco for 5 years. Same as most peeps, after a couple years that script would run out a week early every month. Im not broke so head out and grab a weeks worth from somebody. The last year of that i started getting clear cut Fent way too often. That last year and a half i gave it my all to kick them at least every other month only to get hit with chronic pain so gnarly 9 outa 10 people would call it a day and check out permanently. Not including the depression that came along with getting off synthetic opiates was so intense i couldn't believe i wasn't educated on that before ever prescribed a single pill. Its 100% the definition of evil and the highest level of government/big pharma corruption keeping a wrap on those facts that come with a multi month script of hard opiates.
After all those months of giving it everything in me to end that shit for good and failing repeatedly because of the pain and suicidal depression that accompanied quitting, somebody finally pointed me to ordering a kilo of SOSA. 7 days into being completely clean and what shoulda been the pit of hell like usual i was like you've got to be kidding me??? Im fucking good to go, ill never swallow another pill as long as i live. Never looked back man. And it was NOT because Kratom doesn't give Euphoria, and unreal anti-depressive affects. So if you're trying (anybody out there) to kick any kind of heavy opiate. Good quality Kratom from one of the many small batch custom vendors WILL get you free for life.
Fentynal is some dangerous stuff!! I also was getting Norco and morphine.. 10 years of prescribed pain medicine plus buying them off "my friends" glad you made it out Zack.
Someone here just died from the blue street fentanyl pills a couple weeks ago. On the same day, a cop was doing a search after an arrest, got exposed to some and was narcanned 3x before the medics got there.
MycatTimmy wrote:
Thank goodness you stuck with it Zach.
Ya no doubt. Thanks for that comment. Im sure there are more than a handful of people on DoubleM that walked the exact same path as me. Hence the reason i cant sit back and let misinformation get passed around on a critical forum with THOUSANDS of lurkers that do not post but are searching for a way off of hardcore opiates. Kratom is the answer to getting massive amounts of people off of opiates for good. I Could not possibly believe in that anymore. If it wasn't for the Euphoria and massive mood lift/antidepressant factor that i got from good quality kratom then i don't believe id be here today. I was right at the beginning of massive quantities of Fentanyl being used to make counterfeit pills. I accidentally took Fentanyl at least 3 times over the last year of being on prescription opiates. At one point i was like, well its just a matter of time now. Never messed with any hard drugs in my life. Just prescribed a monthly script of Norco for 5 years. Same as most peeps, after a couple years that script would run out a week early every month. Im not broke so head out and grab a weeks worth from somebody. The last year of that i started getting clear cut Fent way too often. That last year and a half i gave it my all to kick them at least every other month only to get hit with chronic pain so gnarly 9 outa 10 people would call it a day and check out permanently. Not including the depression that came along with getting off synthetic opiates was so intense i couldn't believe i wasn't educated on that before ever prescribed a single pill. Its 100% the definition of evil and the highest level of government/big pharma corruption keeping a wrap on those facts that come with a multi month script of hard opiates.
After all those months of giving it everything in me to end that shit for good and failing repeatedly because of the pain and suicidal depression that accompanied quitting, somebody finally pointed me to ordering a kilo of SOSA. 7 days into being completely clean and what shoulda been the pit of hell like usual i was like you've got to be kidding me??? Im fucking good to go, ill never swallow another pill as long as i live. Never looked back man. And it was NOT because Kratom doesn't give Euphoria, and unreal anti-depressive affects. So if you're trying (anybody out there) to kick any kind of heavy opiate. Good quality Kratom from one of the many small batch custom vendors WILL get you free for life.
I definitely agree that kratom is the answer to one of the worst epidemics in American history(opiates) its crazy how a plant that is all natural was there all along to be the answer to it all! Our stories are very similar Zach I too have gotten ahold of the fake fent pills as well after running out of my own and buying on the street and damn they press them well. I would probably be dead right now if not for kratom. I literally went from down in the depths of a terrible addiction that left me completely broke, homeless and living on the street for awhile to finding kratom and using it to help me put my life back together and now i have a great job and just recently bought my own house and to the best place ive been spiritually and mentally ever. To anyone out there still struggling just keep taking it one day at a time, relapse happens so do not give up on yourself after no matter how many relapses just get some great leaf and just refrain from the other stuff one day at a time. The otherside is so much better
Corde32 wrote:
I literally went from down in the depths of a terrible addiction that left me completely broke, homeless and living on the street for awhile to finding kratom and using it to help me put my life back together and now i have a great job and just recently bought my own house and to the best place ive been spiritually and mentally ever. To anyone out there still struggling just keep taking it one day at a time, relapse happens so do not give up on yourself after no matter how many relapses just get some great leaf and just refrain from the other stuff one day at a time. The otherside is so much better
That just put the biggest smile on my face. Feel like i know you in real life. You got a ton to be proud of man. And from what hell i battled, you're obviously a very strong willed, determined man. Be stoked to kick it with you ever...
zachdank wrote:
That just put the biggest smile on my face. Feel like i know you in real life. You got a ton to be proud of man. And from what hell i battled, you're obviously a very strong willed, determined man. Be stoked to kick it with you ever...
Same to you man tons of respect to what you have been through. If you are ever in Athens GA just holler at me.
Back before MM was even a glimmer in e_poison's eyes, the same exact topic was heavily discussed on Reddit's infamous r/kratom sub many times. I can guarantee to everyone on here that the DEA & FDA have accumulated thousands upon thousands of posts & comments from days past from Reddit alone, not to mention other internet forums, where kratom is referred to as euphoric. Do you seriously think these government agencies don't know about this yet? Of course they do. If so, then, why are you acting like it's a secret that needs to be hidden. You're trying to keep a secret that the whole world is in on. The agencies don't need any more testimonials. They no doubt have every r/quittingkratom post ever submitted. There's nothing left to hide, folks. Our mission should be to share with the world that kratom has beneficial effects, too, like that newer member on here who is currently using kratom to get free of alcoholism, & those who've used it to get off opiates. Western societies are beginning to embrace things like cannabis, & if it's ok then there's no reason to ban other substances with similar effects.
pray4peace4 wrote:Back before MM was even a glimmer in e_poison's eyes, the same exact topic was heavily discussed on Reddit's infamous r/kratom sub many times. I can guarantee to everyone on here that the DEA & FDA have accumulated thousands upon thousands of posts & comments from days past from Reddit alone, not to mention other internet forums, where kratom is referred to as euphoric. Do you seriously think these government agencies don't know about this yet? Of course they do. If so, then, why are you acting like it's a secret that needs to be hidden. You're trying to keep a secret that the whole world is in on. The agencies don't need any more testimonials. They no doubt have every r/quittingkratom post ever submitted. There's nothing left to hide, folks. Our mission should be to share with the world that kratom has beneficial effects, too, like that newer member on here who is currently using kratom to get free of alcoholism, & those who've used it to get off opiates. Western societies are beginning to embrace things like cannabis, & if it's ok then there's no reason to ban other substances with similar effects.
I see your point. I agree with you that the fda and dea has definitely archived tens of thousands of testimonials so that they can take them out of context to use to sway people already on the fence about kratom. All im saying is that when talking about kratom that we should always consider what kind of light we are casting on it for someone who may be on the fence and doing internet research to decide for themselves
