Just realize kratom has more potent in painkiller

[Fhietra899]

I'v been kratom user since early 2017, always use tosh and wash, and have big tolerance till now. Now i always took around 20-30grams a day. Since always took kratom i was rarely get sick or get any pain until 3 days ago i got tonsilitis.
This is really pain in my throat, its hard to open my mouth to do tosh and wash, so i just took potassium diclofenac and methyl prednisolone to reduce the throat pain and inflammations, but for 2 days took that meds its just reduce a little of pain, and i still hard to swallow anything.
So this day i tried and push my mouth to open widely and do tosh and wash with kratom, after 20-30 minutes i think its more effective as painkiller than that 2 meds.
Now i just realize why people with long term of pain really needs kratom, the painkiller effects really awesome.

[Kelleytoons]

It got me off using opioids. I was using them, NOT abusing them (not increasing my dose, for example, and not taking more than prescribed) but I WAS taking them four or five times a week just to play tennis.

I haven't taken one now for over a year (although I've still been stockpiling my prescriptions - just in case :>). Kratom is far better in every way (in fact, I rarely take ANYTHING, even any OTC stuff, other than Kratom. I used to basically live on Excedin, popping two or three pills a day. Haven't taken more than a handful in a year as well).

[mivanqua]

I was using them, NOT abusing them (not increasing my dose, for example, and not taking more than prescribed)

That distinction is only based on legality. No one here cares if you were getting high and/or enjoying doing so. The legality is all that matters, you should be able to take a nice shot of Dilaudid whenever the fuck you want to. That's a HUMAN right. Point is, that clarification isn't necessary, at least not here. God didn't give a corrupt "board" of ultra-rich scum the opium poppy to make countless billions on, he gave it to ALL OF US. Just saying. Nobody here is judging you whether or not you were getting high.

[Kelleytoons]

Oh, I wasn't trying to justify my use, only to clarify it. I agree completely - I do not judge others on any such usage and I certainly am not worried by what others might think of me in that regard (our saying around the house for such things is "those who matter won't mind, and those who mind don't matter."

I just wanted to make the point that even a reasonable use of opioids (or at least "reasonable" in terms of what doctors define) can be completely eliminated by Kratom.

[mivanqua]

Oh, I wasn't trying to justify my use, only to clarify it. I agree completely - I do not judge others on any such usage and I certainly am not worried by what others might think of me in that regard (our saying around the house for such things is "those who matter won't mind, and those who mind don't matter."

I just wanted to make the point that even a reasonable use of opioids (or at least "reasonable" in terms of what doctors define) can be completely eliminated by Kratom.

I hoped, but I was just letting you know. Some people are really self-conscious about all of that. As a society, we need to remove the stigma from enjoying drugs. We love you whether you were trying to get high or not. That's all. Glad you stumbled upon The Internet's Bad Kids Table with the rest of us.

[Fhietra899]

I have been use kratom for several years, at the first time just for testing good/bad stuff, the 2nd year i feel its like part of activity bcause i really need the mood boost, energetic effects, bcause i just have slept around 3-5 hours a day and many activity, its really boost my life, maybe in a year i just got sick 2-3 times.
For several years i still confused where's the part of "Abuse" in kratom (in natural form). If you got take too much you'll got dizzy and your body will throw up it all.

[robotvox]

It got me off using opioids. I was using them, NOT abusing them (not increasing my dose, for example, and not taking more than prescribed) but I WAS taking them four or five times a week just to play tennis.

I haven't taken one now for over a year (although I've still been stockpiling my prescriptions - just in case :>). Kratom is far better in every way (in fact, I rarely take ANYTHING, even any OTC stuff, other than Kratom. I used to basically live on Excedin, popping two or three pills a day. Haven't taken more than a handful in a year as well).

Just a word of warning if you ever think you need that stockpile, I found a huge cross tolerance from kratom. I'm a 5-15 grams daily user off and on for over a decade. When I was in the hospital the oxys they gave me did absolutely nothing. I was pretty shocked, and wished I had my kratom with me!

[Kelleytoons]

It might just be Oxy versus Hydrocodone (and I'm not a pharmacist but I do play one on TV).

I know for me that Oxy does absolutely nothing, but Vicodin still works great (I've taken one or two over the period I first discovered Kratom only because of acute pain - one time I twisted my knee on the courts and was in agony and needed relief right away, but luckily still carry some pills along with me). Now - I have purposefully avoided increasing opioid use over the many years, using not more than 1 or two a week because I never wanted to build up a tolerance. So even though my doc prescribes a ton of the pills I have no doubt they will work IF I need them for that same acuteness (otherwise Kratom works just fine).

[Mossy7]

It might just be Oxy versus Hydrocodone (and I'm not a pharmacist but I do play one on TV).

I know for me that Oxy does absolutely nothing, but Vicodin still works great (I've taken one or two over the period I first discovered Kratom only because of acute pain - one time I twisted my knee on the courts and was in agony and needed relief right away, but luckily still carry some pills along with me). Now - I have purposefully avoided increasing opioid use over the many years, using not more than 1 or two a week because I never wanted to build up a tolerance. So even though my doc prescribes a ton of the pills I have no doubt they will work IF I need them for that same acuteness (otherwise Kratom works just fine).

Trust me, if you were using kratom 3-5 times a day every day like a lot of us, that vicodin wouldn’t do shit. But since you most likely don’t, that’s why the occasional vicodin still works. Since I’ve been a daily user for 4 years, pain pills don’t do anything anymore. Kratom works much better.

[Kelleytoons]

If I were using it 3-5x daily I'm not sure even Kratom would do any good <g>.

I try and keep it to a minimum - the most I've ever done is about 8x during the week (once each morning and night). My ideal is to leave at least one day in-between. I suspect using it on the basis you're talking about would be problematic for a whole lot of reasons (the least of which is having other opioids not work for you).

But I also think every person is very different - folks can take 1 or 2 grams and feel great, others need 8 or 9, some folks take it once a day, others 3 times a day, etc. etc. And I think I've never read anything consistent about any particular strain - some people say it's the best they ever had, while others go meh. There are just WAY too many variables to generalize.

And that's very true of taking a true opioid, which hits the third receptor (whereas Kratom only hits two of them). If you find that opioids don't do anything for you it isn't likely the Kratom that's caused that, it's probably just too much opioid tolerance that's built up (which can happen to even folks who have never tried Kratom).

[robotvox]

If you find that opioids don't do anything for you it isn't likely the Kratom that's caused that, it's probably just too much opioid tolerance that's built up (which can happen to even folks who have never tried Kratom).

There's more to it than that, because I can still feel the effects from a 2-3 gram dose of kratom, but a handful of pills is like sugar pills. I don't know the science behind it, but it's bizarre!

[Kelleytoons]

It IS weird because, as is known, opioids hit the third receptor which Kratom does not (it's also the one that causes addiction issues, which is why Kratom is SO less addictive. Not completely, because addiction is far more than just chemical but in large part psychological).

But, as I said, it's likely you just took too many opioids at some point - perhaps you've "worn out" that third receptor which also then affects the other two. I dunno - I'm no scientist (although I play one on TV. Really). I sincerely doubt whether Kratom had anything to do with it.

(As an example my wife, who does NOT use Kratom, just took an opioid today for her back pain and it absolutely had ZERO effect even though she is normally completely knocked out by them. She has taken most likely a total of a dozen in her lifetime, but something was just off with her chemistry today. The human body is a very, very weird thing).

[Lokey]

Sorry if off topic and for my curiosity but this is second time you mentioned playing a scientist on TV, can we know what show? Maybe your wife will try kratom some time or did she tried it and just didn't like it?

[Kelleytoons]

I think I mentioned playing a lawyer on TV but the answer is the same - once upon a time (in another life) I was very active in local television. So we did foolish things like our own weekly comedy show, a weekly talk show (which had guests like U.S. Senator Richard Bryan) and even an improv show. So - silly stuff (nowadays I do a LOT of animation work to keep me busy - Fox Television optioned our animated series and we were SURE we were going to production when they decided to go with another little show called "Bob's Burgers").

Anyway, back on the subject my DW has tried Kratom a grand total of three or four times - she has SO many issues with it (not the least being the taste as it makes her gag) and swallowing things (she can't even take capsules as her throat is just too small - paper is right out of the question). I'm hoping tinctures will be the answer because as an old person like me (although not quite that old - NO ONE is that old) she really needs the relief Kratom could provide.

[Lokey]

Doesn't sound foolish or silly but interesting. A lawyer? Hmmm.
I like Bob's Burgers but watched only a few of them. A couple years ago I got some 50x extract capsules for a great price from Amazing Botanicals and I tried adding one e a day lately and it does help boost the powder's effects. Contents of one weighed .60g so I'm guessing that's about 5g powder, not sure. I was googling to try and figure it out and it doesn't sound right.

[Cuttlefish]

Just wanted to toss in some of my observations

(I will say I’ve made a post about this and it was taken down, and i remembering it reading as some of these comments, and people were saying it doesn’t help the legal battle)

I think kratom obviously ups your tolerance but there is also a blocking efffect, similar to subs and classic opiates and to agmatine blocking kratom.

I still will feel the classic opiates (Vicodin, oxy, whatever, I just mean real opiates) just not nearly as much, like some people are saying here, handful of pills do nothing. I think if you try to mix them or use them on the same day, it all kinda blends together with the kratom taking over. If you use kratom heavily everyday I imagine the blocking would last longer. I don’t think it is only tolerance, I think even waiting a full 24 hours from kratom makes you feel the opiate way, way better. The opiate obviously eliminates all of kratom withdrawal, but *something* missing, but it usually is overshadowed by the stronger euphoric effects of normal opiates for me. My experiences over the last couple years have been:

Methadone not touching kratom. I was very afraid of taking the methadone with *no* true opiate tolerance (anymore), since it’s powerful stuff, and barely felt 50mg taken over the course of a day. I will say I wish I had taken it all at once, and instead was taking like 5mg every couple hours, my fear of it being too much came nowhere close to fruition. This was a few years ago and when I realized kratom is way stronger than I thought/rationalize it’s use with being an addict.

About 6 months ago, I had access to a supply of 30mg oxycodones (from dr, not fake)

I found: taking 30-60mg at like 10pm after a day of usually dosing kratom (about 4g 3x a day, staggered 6am12pm6pm) yielded very little effects and made me wish I didn’t waste it. This would have been enough to feel something even in my heroin days.

Then I tried to take a whole day off kratom, dosing my last dose earlier, at like 3pm, then taking the oxy over 24 hours later, and I hit way, way better. Good enough to make me want to take breaks from kratom to lower the blocking effects about 2-3 more times over a few months, until the 30s were gone.

For anyone that cares, these have been all my relapses in like 5 years since starting kratom to get off opiates, I am fine and not going down the road again. I think communicating this info helps, and I do worry about legality but yeah. I think kratom blocks opiates in a similar way to suboxone and you have to wait long enough for the blocking to stop

One last note is someday that I would take the oxy, at the very end of the day I would take kratom when I ran out of oxy and that would seem to hit fairly normally

[add to descartes]

I have had similar experiences with kratom being much more effective at actual pain relief than traditional opioid painkillers. I think some people are hesitant to believe that at first because pk's have such a higher potential for abuse and are viewed by some as more desirable. I know I was surprised at first. while kratom isn't recreational to the same extent opioids are, its anodynic properties are substantial.

I had a tooth extracted not long ago, and they prescribed hydrocodone post-op. taking 2 was ineffective, so i went ahead and took all 30mg, and it did next to nothing physically i took a few grams and it made a huge difference. same thing with tramadol...compared to kratom it was a drop in the ocean. if I have pain now I'll take a naproxen along with the usual amount of kratom, but that's rare, and usually kratom on its own is plenty.

it also seems like kratom has a much higher affinity for opioid receptors than do traditional opiates, like if your receptors are already soaked in kratom alkaloids, taking some pills on top of it is mostly useless. idk, maybe hydrocodone just sucks, and stronger opis like oxycodone or hydromorphone would work better...but good luck getting many of those prescribed nowadays.

[mixed84]

So all i hear is everyone talking about kratom being great with mild or chronic pain. among other things of course. but i'm just focused on pain relief. hip pain foot pain. that sort of thing. started with two grams and stopped at 6. the only thing it does for me is give me that lightheaded sensation. which i cant stand. i hear people refer to it as euphoric or whatever. it sucks if u ask me.. but has never helped with pain. I've tried all the colors multiple strains and vendors. So i just don't get it. i had such high hopes that this stuff would help me. so either everyone is full of shit about it helping with pain or you guys know something i dont?

[Kelleytoons]

My wife has had much the same experience as you, except that she gets sick when she takes too much (rather than lightheaded). But no help with pain, not even with the strains that work a treat with me.

The issue here is that everybody (and every BODY) is very, very different. We have all sorts of different chemistries, and even Big Pharma can't get things which affect everyone the same way (my DW also got very sick taking prednisone, despite it helping other folks. AND she doesn't get any pain relief at all from Vicodin or Oxycontin). So a substance like Kratom, which isn't very well studied and certainly isn't controlled to any degree may well not help some people no matter what.

At the very least I would make sure you have tried enough strains from enough vendors - say a minimum of three vendors RECOMMENDED here, with at least three of their strains (a green, white and a red) that are also recommended by enough people. You can find all this information in the review section. Then if you still have no relief at those various doses, Kratom just isn't the thing for you.

For me it doesn't work the way that harder pain meds do, which is a Good Thing since none of those harder ones can be taken for long. Kratom gives me the ability to stand up straight and play tennis and without it I can't do that, as I am in too much pain otherwise. But not all strains (and certainly not all vendors) do that - it took me at least three months to find the right ones and the right doses. But that persistence paid off.

You should also try cannabis, even if just the legal stuff (that CBD or whatever the heck it's called which is legal to be shipped to all 50 states). For me it doesn't do anything at all for the pain but, again, that's just different strokes for different folks. Some people report it works great. Because as individuals we are all so, well, individual you are the one most responsible for figuring out what works for you. I wish you the best of luck but don't give up - the answer may well be out there.