needing help to get off methadone

[Gnorrell623#]

hey everyone I am a new Kratom user and I will be starting my journey very shortly. I came across a pretty detailed guide on how to use kratom to combat opiate withdrawals. I'm just waiting for the last of my herbal supplements and vitamins to get here and then I will begin what I have referred to as the playbook that someone posted. I still have so many questions and I don't even know where to turn to get the answers I'm new to not only Kratom but also to Reddit. so if anyone can please guide me in the direction of a form of some type that I can connect with people that can give me some advice won't answers to the questions I have in regards to the whole situation I would be forever grateful.

[herbalhippie]

Hello, I"m glad you found us! I'm sure someone will pop into the thread to help you with information.

[Gnorrell623#]

thank you very much I cannot tell you how happy I am I found you all is well. I'm not sure if you are familiar with the step-by-step guide that I'm referring to from the sidebar of the kratom read it it's about 4 years old but I mean it's very specific and detail-oriented and very well thought out and was posted by KratomOG. coming across that truly gave me something to look forward to in some excitement because I do believe that this is going to help me and I cannot wait to get started on this journey to a New way of life. thanks again and I'm hoping maybe I found a new support system and hopefully I can be of some support for other people as well.

[Roofdog]

hey everyone I am a new Kratom user and I will be starting my journey very shortly. I came across a pretty detailed guide on how to use kratom to combat opiate withdrawals. I'm just waiting for the last of my herbal supplements and vitamins to get here and then I will begin what I have referred to as the playbook that someone posted. I still have so many questions and I don't even know where to turn to get the answers I'm new to not only Kratom but also to Reddit. so if anyone can please guide me in the direction of a form of some type that I can connect with people that can give me some advice won't answers to the questions I have in regards to the whole situation I would be forever grateful.

I got off a heavy daily dose of morphine using Kratom. Pm me with questions and I will do my best to help you out.

[Gnorrell623#]

hey everyone I am a new Kratom user and I will be starting my journey very shortly. I came across a pretty detailed guide on how to use kratom to combat opiate withdrawals. I'm just waiting for the last of my herbal supplements and vitamins to get here and then I will begin what I have referred to as the playbook that someone posted. I still have so many questions and I don't even know where to turn to get the answers I'm new to not only Kratom but also to Reddit. so if anyone can please guide me in the direction of a form of some type that I can connect with people that can give me some advice won't answers to the questions I have in regards to the whole situation I would be forever grateful.

I got off a heavy daily dose of morphine using Kratom. Pm me with questions and I will do my best to help you out.

hey everyone I am a new Kratom user and I will be starting my journey very shortly. I came across a pretty detailed guide on how to use kratom to combat opiate withdrawals. I'm just waiting for the last of my herbal supplements and vitamins to get here and then I will begin what I have referred to as the playbook that someone posted. I still have so many questions and I don't even know where to turn to get the answers I'm new to not only Kratom but also to Reddit. so if anyone can please guide me in the direction of a form of some type that I can connect with people that can give me some advice won't answers to the questions I have in regards to the whole situation I would be forever grateful.

I got off a heavy daily dose of morphine using Kratom. Pm me with questions and I will do my best to help you out.

[Gnorrell623#]

hey everyone I am a new Kratom user and I will be starting my journey very shortly. I came across a pretty detailed guide on how to use kratom to combat opiate withdrawals. I'm just waiting for the last of my herbal supplements and vitamins to get here and then I will begin what I have referred to as the playbook that someone posted. I still have so many questions and I don't even know where to turn to get the answers I'm new to not only Kratom but also to Reddit. so if anyone can please guide me in the direction of a form of some type that I can connect with people that can give me some advice won't answers to the questions I have in regards to the whole situation I would be forever grateful.

I got off a heavy daily dose of morphine using Kratom. Pm me with questions and I will do my best to help you out.

I am not sure how to PM anyone. i just figured out how to get into this site

[herbalhippie]

hey everyone I am a new Kratom user and I will be starting my journey very shortly. I came across a pretty detailed guide on how to use kratom to combat opiate withdrawals. I'm just waiting for the last of my herbal supplements and vitamins to get here and then I will begin what I have referred to as the playbook that someone posted. I still have so many questions and I don't even know where to turn to get the answers I'm new to not only Kratom but also to Reddit. so if anyone can please guide me in the direction of a form of some type that I can connect with people that can give me some advice won't answers to the questions I have in regards to the whole situation I would be forever grateful.

I got off a heavy daily dose of morphine using Kratom. Pm me with questions and I will do my best to help you out.

I am not sure how to PM anyone. i just figured out how to get into this site

You have to have a minimum of 5 posts to use the PM feature, you're up to 3 I think.

[Gnorrell623#]

Roofdog? im so lost using this I hope we can connect and talk. im curious as when I should start the kratom journey? i currently go to a clinic to a methodone clinic and im coming down 5mg a day tomorrow i will be at 135 mg of methodone. i quess im wondering does it matter how much mwthadone im on before i begin the Kratom?

[add to descartes]

Roofdog? im so lost using this I hope we can connect and talk. im curious as when I should start the kratom journey? i currently go to a clinic to a methodone clinic and im coming down 5mg a day tomorrow i will be at 135 mg of methodone. i quess im wondering does it matter how much mwthadone im on before i begin the Kratom?

you have to get really low on methadone before you can jump off. most times kratom will not work on any dose of methadone, kratom is just not powerful enough to kick the 'done off your opioid receptors.

most important is to taper off methadone as slowly as possible. when you get down to under 40-50mg, you'll likely be pretty uncomfortable, but once you adjust you'll want to go down by 5mg a week...and even that is abrupt. if you can stand it, go down 5mg every two weeks. it takes longer, but it's less painful.

once you've got down to 0mg, wait a day or two (or possibly more) and then start kratom. only then will you be able to feel the effects of it. it really sucks, but unfortunately that's the nature of the methadone beast. you will still avoid weeks of the worst withdrawal that way.

have you considered switching to a small dose of Suboxone temporarily, then coming off that? I know that might not seem wise, but it may make it easier, I always found subs easier to come off than methadone. it is an option, in any case.

methadone is unadulterated evil, the wd is brutal and it lasts a long time. either way, it will be a lengthy process if you want to do it safely and reasonably comfortably.

if I can I'll answer any other questions you may have. I've gone through opiate withdrawal of all types many times. methadone took 2-3 weeks for me. but I didn't have kratom then, just had to go CT. but i've been on kratom for many years now, and in the end it is very much worth it.

[Roofdog]

Roofdog? im so lost using this I hope we can connect and talk. im curious as when I should start the kratom journey? i currently go to a clinic to a methodone clinic and im coming down 5mg a day tomorrow i will be at 135 mg of methodone. i quess im wondering does it matter how much mwthadone im on before i begin the Kratom?

Hey sorry was at work.
I was on 75mg of morphine a day when I got off. My pain clinic was shut down by Gov and i wasnt able to get in anywhere else. I had 5 pills left when I quite. I broke them in half and saved them for what I thought was going to be bad. I started on a red. I took about a tablespoon full. Im sorry i dont have weight, i was searching the internet and it was 3-5 grams. Supposedly. I start this every 4hrs and its now been 3 years. Everyone is a little different. Get a cheap scale they ate about 15bucks. Amazon. Make sure its a microgram scale. Which will weigh less than 1g. Dont quote me on that. I have a 2g spoon i use. Start with 3g or so every 4 hrs. If you dont feel it add a gram. Add until you feel something. Wait at least an hr for effects. Try on an empty stomach. If you take too much you will get a little wobbly. Be patient when starting out. I did it cold turkey having 1 pill left (just in case) and i never needed to take it. You will be a little uncomfortable and may sweat ALOT for a couple days thats your body getting the garbage out. This is my experience and people may add info or say otherwise but this worked for me. I will check here more periodically for any other questions. Take care brother. A lot of good people here. Get the hang of navigating this site. It will help you with product and info. There maybe some typos and stuff sorry gotta drive in a min.

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I was on 75mg of morphine a day when I got off. My pain clinic was shut down by Gov and i wasnt able to get in anywhere else. I had 5 pills left when I quite. I broke them in half and saved them for what I thought was going to be bad. I started on a red. I took about a tablespoon full. Im sorry i dont have weight, i was searching the internet and it was 3-5 grams. Supposedly. I start this every 4hrs and its now been 3 years. Everyone is a little different. Get a cheap scale they ate about 15bucks. Amazon. Make sure its a microgram scale. Which will weigh less than 1g. Dont quote me on that. I have a 2g spoon i use. Start with 3g or so every 4 hrs. If you dont feel it add a gram. Add until you feel something. Wait at least an hr for effects. Try on an empty stomach. If you take too much you will get a little wobbly. Be patient when starting out. I did it cold turkey having 1 pill left (just in case) and i never needed to take it. You will be a little uncomfortable and may sweat ALOT for a couple days thats your body getting the garbage out. This is my experience and people may add info or say otherwise but this worked for me. I will check here more periodically for any other questions. Take care brother. A lot of good people here. Get the hang of navigating this site. It will help you with product and info. There maybe some typos and stuff sorry gotta drive in a min.

you were on morphine? was that a typo? because methadone withdrawal, especially from the ultrahigh dose of 135mg, is a completely different story than morphine wd. I've done wd from heroin, iv morphine, hydrocodone, oxycodone, suboxone, poppy pods...pretty much everything (not bragging) methadone withdrawal is without a doubt the worst, longest, most painful wd I've ever gone through. I cannot explain in words how bad it is. acute wd lasts several weeks, whereas acute morph wd is about 5 days. methadone post acute wd takes months. coming off of that high of a methadone dose within a few days would be absolutely unbearable and possibly unsafe, it is necessary to taper slowly.

kratom isn't going to help in the tapering, and it won't do anything til he's been totally off methadone for at least a few days. and even then, it will probably barely take the edge off. there's just no getting around a painful methadone wd, all you can do is mitigate. I'm sorry if I'm sounding alarmist, but it really is something to be taken seriously.

[Gnorrell623#]

I was on 75mg of morphine a day when I got off. My pain clinic was shut down by Gov and i wasnt able to get in anywhere else. I had 5 pills left when I quite. I broke them in half and saved them for what I thought was going to be bad. I started on a red. I took about a tablespoon full. Im sorry i dont have weight, i was searching the internet and it was 3-5 grams. Supposedly. I start this every 4hrs and its now been 3 years. Everyone is a little different. Get a cheap scale they ate about 15bucks. Amazon. Make sure its a microgram scale. Which will weigh less than 1g. Dont quote me on that. I have a 2g spoon i use. Start with 3g or so every 4 hrs. If you dont feel it add a gram. Add until you feel something. Wait at least an hr for effects. Try on an empty stomach. If you take too much you will get a little wobbly. Be patient when starting out. I did it cold turkey having 1 pill left (just in case) and i never needed to take it. You will be a little uncomfortable and may sweat ALOT for a couple days thats your body getting the garbage out. This is my experience and people may add info or say otherwise but this worked for me. I will check here more periodically for any other questions. Take care brother. A lot of good people here. Get the hang of navigating this site. It will help you with product and info. There maybe some typos and stuff sorry gotta drive in a min.

you were on morphine? was that a typo? because methadone withdrawal, especially from the ultrahigh dose of 135mg, is a completely different story than morphine wd. I've done wd from heroin, iv morphine, hydrocodone, oxycodone, suboxone, poppy pods...pretty much everything (not bragging) methadone withdrawal is without a doubt the worst, longest, most painful wd I've ever gone through. I cannot explain in words how bad it is. acute wd lasts several weeks, whereas acute morph wd is about 5 days. methadone post acute wd takes months. coming off of that high of a methadone dose within a few days would be absolutely unbearable and possibly unsafe, it is necessary to taper slowly.

kratom isn't going to help in the tapering, and it won't do anything til he's been totally off methadone for at least a few days. and even then, it will probably barely take the edge off. there's just no getting around a painful methadone wd, all you can do is mitigate. I'm sorry if I'm sounding alarmist, but it really is something to be taken seriously.

well Im done to 50 mg from 180. I started tapering last Thurs. I was doing 5 mg a day and I knew that just wasn't going to be fast enough so I did a drop to 100 from 135 I stayed on that for 2 days then I dropped to 50 mg that was Friday I dozed again on Saturday I did not doze today I did start to feel uncomfortable when I go through withdrawals my upper body muscles go spastic I don't know why and I make this god-awful demon exercising moan and I can't control it I look like a f****** freak. I have three kids and I have to say that I was able to go make them bacon and eggs this morning. my primary sent me some clonidine I have gabapentin in the kratom and that's all I'm taking so I think I'm just going to do a dose of you tomorrow drop t0 25 see how that goes and then maybe drop another five and then 10 and 10. I have to be done sooner than later because of the residual b******* I can't go to Mexico with my mother in these conditions and I keep telling myself okay you went from 180 mg down to 50 mg and you f****** killing it but then the other side of me goes well what's going to happen when you have zero milligrams. I couldn't even relax today I kept thinking about was scrubbing the kitchen floor wanting to take my kids to the park but knowing that I was afraid to leave the house in case something happened and I couldn't stop my muscles I feel like the worst mother on the planet but at the same time everything I'm doing ultimately is for them. and everything that you have said I've heard this being one of the main reasons I'm petrified and I would love to be able to talk to somebody who's come off methadone with Kratom if there's anybody who's ever been a stupid as me I guess the director told me that she's scared for me they've been drug testing me and I keep coming back negative and then not understanding how I told them if I was going to go back to you some drugs I wouldn't be doing a f****** taper that's for sure and I can't take drugs to Mexico with me so that would defeat the purpose now wouldn't it. any rain that's where I'm at any feedbacks greatly accepted.

[MycatTimmy]

Your Not a terrible mother, nor are you the worst mother in the world. You are simply a woman who got addicted. A woman who has the courage and the strength to power through these wd symptoms for her family. You should be extremely proud of yourself and the progress that you’ve made so far. So please don’t beat yourself up but use that energy instead to get through this You have our support. Please keep us posted

[Gnorrell623#]

hi everyone I wanted to post an update on how I'm doing since coming off of Methodone. Tuesday was the day I took my last dose of 10 mg, and I will say I was scared of s***. I have to say that I am doing amazing compared to what I thought I would be doing. I will say that my mood swings are vicious and if you in my way and I start acting like a psycho just ignore me and keep it moving I'll be fine in about 10 minutes. that's usually when I withdrawal to kick it in and I know that I need another Joseph kratom the only thing that sucks about taking the creative and I don't know when it's going to wear off in the patrol it's going to kick in I like to stay on top of it so that doesn't happen but once I know it's happening I can address the issue my boyfriend doesn't understand just leave me alone for 15 minutes so it's gotten a little ugly verbally but he should understand he still and I was able to check such a high dosage as easily as I have. The more I've researched painter and taken it and I've seen the results but the more I want to continue to use for many reasons as well as maintenance so I don't turn back to using drugs. I started off the way just about everybody else does my back is completely f***** and I got on pain pills in 2008 i kicked in 2011. I went and had 2 kids back to back and the end of my last pregnancy i couldn't walk that was 2016 started off fine I was able to handle it didn't have to my son was born im prone to PPD so i was in a perfect storm ti abuse my script. actually I was able to keep it at day until 2020 and 2021 got on methodone liquid handcuffs is the perfect nickname. Had they not denied my request for doses to go to mexico they would still have me in there grips so I am abundantly grateful that they force me to do this because it was the best choice I ever made I wish I could stand outside of that f****** clinic I would tell everybody to use kratom if i hit the lottery id hand the shit out!!! I'm still a long ways of being done I'm at the door stays in your bones and it takes months for you to finally feel yourself again but that's okay I'm committed and if it wasn't for the assistance if Kratom and will power id still be trapped!

[BallzDeep9]

I'm still a long ways of being done - I'm at the door stays in your bones and it takes months for you to finally feel yourself again but that's okay I'm committed...

We in (the K community) Should have a handy guide to help people in Recovery - We have more & better products Now, than ever before! And we know more about how kratom works in the body. First - You did the right thing jumping off methadone completely & then switching to kratom. Hang in there.

Now, "The clock is running" on your Honeymoon effect - Everyone gets a super good effect when they first start kratom - Only for a couple weeks. Then, Tolerance sets in, and unfortunately many people think OK I"ll just take more & more kratom - wrong, it don't work like that. Kratom does have a built-in Ceiling Effect due to the alkaloids - very complicated science on the chemistry here lol -

So to keep it simple - The BEST plan would be - carefully plan your Kratom dose, day by day, and always look to Lower Your Tolerance, by using Agmatine & Black Seed Oil at night before bedtime... of course Never use kratom at Night! but rather, use things like Gabapentin and sleep aids like Melatonin or Valerian to help sleep. Get good sleep! Then each morning, you feel crappy but take your #1 serving of Kratom on empty stomach - That gets you through the morning. Eat healthy breakfast & take vitamins! By sticking to a lower serving of Kratom (and using Agmatine/ BSO) I think a person could gradually lower their Tolerance over, let's say 1 month - To the point where they enjoy a stable, sustainable, Low Serving... Follow the science & Do Not increase your Kratom any more than needed.

Wishing you luck, we're rooting for you here !! Good News, there are NOW, some affordable Lab Tested Extract products available which could really help. Not the "shots" and stuff sold at head-shops, I'm thinking of quality extracts sold online with Labs... these would involve some Will Power to use a reasonable small amount, but could really help your Recovery. I'm just throwing some ideas here, I have not personally gone through a Methadone detox, but have friends & I may have an opportunity to help someone else, soon. Good Luck! Please use any of these suggestions, if any make sense!

[Gnorrell623#]

actually found a very detailed layout on how to use creative to come off methadone as well as all done vitamins and supplements together so I do have all of the things that you need but that black seed oil I can't even think you're drinking that stuff again but I take gabapentin which I'm prescribed along with valerian root magnesium along with the supplement to get a decent or some melatonin and gaba passion flower a d l-theanine. the thing is from day one I never felt anything other than not feeling with withdrawal. I will take that all day long though because that's everything when you coming off of a substance like that. everybody that I know thought I was crazy so that I could never do it and it feels good to be able to look them in the face and proved them wrong. but no I get exactly what you're saying

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actually found a very detailed layout on how to use creative to come off methadone as well as all done vitamins and supplements together so I do have all of the things that you need but that black seed oil I can't even think you're drinking that stuff again but I take gabapentin which I'm prescribed along with valerian root magnesium along with the supplement to get a decent or some melatonin and gaba passion flower a d l-theanine. the thing is from day one I never felt anything other than not feeling with withdrawal. I will take that all day long though because that's everything when you coming off of a substance like that. everybody that I know thought I was crazy so that I could never do it and it feels good to be able to look them in the face and proved them wrong. but no I get exactly what you're saying

that's incredible how quickly you were able to taper! I'm surprised. the trick with methadone withdrawal is patience, it's very persistent and takes quite awhile to start feeling better. for me, it took several weeks, and I wanted to give up many times, but I had no other choice at the time.

it sounds like what you're talking about is something like the Thomas Recipe. it's basically an opiate withdrawal guide, using only over the counter meds (except sometimes it suggests adding a benzo in the acute period).
https://www.therecoveryvillage.com/opia ... as-recipe/
it gives a lot of tips on not just what stuff to take, but things you can do to mitigate the withdrawal. diet is important, once you're able to eat that is. I found it somewhat helpful in my previous opiate life, especially Imodium although that has become harder to get because of people trying to abuse it. gabapentin should be a great help.

also, L-theanine is found in tea. black tea and matcha have the highest amounts. I'd recommend a caffeine free kind so you're not drinking a ton of caffeine. there are some celestial seasons/sleepytime tea that also have passionflower in them.

most of all, support is really important. whether it's posting online or actually going to meetings or outpatient therapy. i never found the 12 steps particularly useful, but just getting to talk about what you're going though to people that know what it is, can be very beneficial.

[Gnorrell623#]

yea that is the guide i believe. I am shocked that I was able to accomplish an impossible or so i have been told impossible task. Im still going strong now my issue is finding kratom for this damn back pain im on the hunt hopefully i will find it soon.

[herbalhippie]

yea that is the guide i believe. I am shocked that I was able to accomplish an impossible or so i have been told impossible task. Im still going strong now my issue is finding kratom for this damn back pain im on the hunt hopefully i will find it soon.

You did it?!

HUGE CONGRATULATIONS!!!! Good job, wow!

[Loveandpeace]

yea that is the guide i believe. I am shocked that I was able to accomplish an impossible or so i have been told impossible task. Im still going strong now my issue is finding kratom for this damn back pain im on the hunt hopefully i will find it soon.

You did it?!

HUGE CONGRATULATIONS!!!! Good job, wow!

Fuck yeah!! Super stoked for you!

I could put a few batches together for you. What has you curious?

I have some TFH Classic Red MD and D615s RMD as well.

Anyway - awesome credit goes to you, my story is pretty miraculous too.

The roughest, toughest parts are behind you. Now, temptation, emotional triggers and proper network around you are of paramount importance.

Oh, and exercise - every. single. day. There is new and better proof that the 'high' achieved can meet cravings in the middle.

[add to descartes]

the saying that getting sober is the easy part, staying sober is the hard part, is all too true. as hard as methadone withdrawal can be, it's easy only relative to the consistent willpower and endurance necessary to not go back on it, or to not relapse on other similar substances. sobriety isn't a noun, it's a verb, an action that you have to continually take every day. i wish you the best.

[froggy33]

yea that is the guide i believe. I am shocked that I was able to accomplish an impossible or so i have been told impossible task. Im still going strong now my issue is finding kratom for this damn back pain im on the hunt hopefully i will find it soon.

You did it?!

HUGE CONGRATULATIONS!!!! Good job, wow!

Fuck yeah!! Super stoked for you!

I could put a few batches together for you. What has you curious?

I have some TFH Classic Red MD and D615s RMD as well.

Anyway - awesome credit goes to you, my story is pretty miraculous too.

The roughest, toughest parts are behind you. Now, temptation, emotional triggers and proper network around you are of paramount importance.

Oh, and exercise - every. single. day. There is new and better proof that the 'high' achieved can meet cravings in the middle.

Posts like these are what make this community a great place. Awesomeness

[Gnorrell623#]

Thank you so much!!! Im so grateful to have had the smoothest transition or i would have never made it.

Staying so er is def the hard part. my doctor recommended that I get on it because my pain was just no longer manageable with prescription opiates. if I would have known then when I do now I would have never ever got on it.

it was dehumanizing and inconvenience and it made me gain about 80 lbs. if I would have been approved to take my juices to Mexico with me I'd still be on it. I'm a pretty strong chick and I can take just about anything except and earache, toothache, in the physical part of the withdrawal process. I don't ever want to go back to pain meds. I can say that there was many times I said that the methadone wasn't working, how wrong I was. the pain I had has now been unbearable. I've done it though I've been able to keep pushing I do see my doctor on the 21st I'm going to ask for a toradol shot. and I want to get another MRI I know it's impossible to have back issues just reverse themselves and considering my pain I doubt that's the case. I just want to be able to go back to the chiropractor and to do yoga again. I have already lost a a bite of weight I know that will help with the pain I've been consuming edibles I still turn to kratom I know there's got to be the right one out there for me and I won't stop until I find it each passing day I wish I could say its getting easier but it's not. the faster I can get a handle on it the better. thanks again for the support and eternally grateful.

[Kelleytoons]

You might have read the thread where it was mentioned but it's always worth repeating - Ballz noted that Kratom works absolutely best when taken on both an empty stomach and empty bowels. IOW, if you are "regular" and have no issues with that AND you don't take Kratom sooner than four or five hours after eating it should work fine.

In experiments I find this is true, at least the empty stomach part. As long as I'm at least five hours out of eating even mediocre Kratom works great. Which is why it nearly always works the best first thing in the morning. But I AM regular and some folks are not. If you aren't, do what you need to be that way (fiber, lots of fluids and if necessary, some Ducolax or other assists). And don't take MUCH Kratom - less really is more. No more than 3 grams (my sweet spot is 2.5 and I used to take MUCH more).

If you have all the above covered and still aren't feeling it - make sure you purchase your Kratom from one of the small, recommended vendors here, and make sure you rotate your strains (do not take the same one more than once every three days). Those are all the tricks that make it work for nearly everyone.

[add to descartes]

yes, don't take any kratom for at least two hours after eating. if you've eaten a large meal, it's necessary to wait 3-4 hours. food kills the effects of kratom, whether you eat before or after. personally I find two hours after a light meal is enough time, but longer is always better. and I always wait at least 3 hours, or whenever the kratom begins to wear off, to eat.

sufficient sleep and hydration are essential. i'm not sure empty bowels makes much of a difference. but many kratom users take magnesium supplements for constipation.

[terposton]

Thank you so much!!! Im so grateful to have had the smoothest transition or i would have never made it.

Staying so er is def the hard part. my doctor recommended that I get on it because my pain was just no longer manageable with prescription opiates. if I would have known then when I do now I would have never ever got on it.

it was dehumanizing and inconvenience and it made me gain about 80 lbs. if I would have been approved to take my juices to Mexico with me I'd still be on it. I'm a pretty strong chick and I can take just about anything except and earache, toothache, in the physical part of the withdrawal process. I don't ever want to go back to pain meds. I can say that there was many times I said that the methadone wasn't working, how wrong I was. the pain I had has now been unbearable. I've done it though I've been able to keep pushing I do see my doctor on the 21st I'm going to ask for a toradol shot. and I want to get another MRI I know it's impossible to have back issues just reverse themselves and considering my pain I doubt that's the case. I just want to be able to go back to the chiropractor and to do yoga again. I have already lost a a bite of weight I know that will help with the pain I've been consuming edibles I still turn to kratom I know there's got to be the right one out there for me and I won't stop until I find it each passing day I wish I could say its getting easier but it's not. the faster I can get a handle on it the better. thanks again for the support and eternally grateful.

I just wanted to tell you that I admire you so much. What you are going through has got to be hard.

[brave777]

yes, don't take any kratom for at least two hours after eating. if you've eaten a large meal, it's necessary to wait 3-4 hours. food kills the effects of kratom, whether you eat before or after. personally I find two hours after a light meal is enough time, but longer is always better. and I always wait at least 3 hours, or whenever the kratom begins to wear off, to eat.

sufficient sleep and hydration are essential. i'm not sure empty bowels makes much of a difference. but many kratom users take magnesium supplements for constipation.

Actually you can take kratom with meal, if you dont mind raising tolerance then just double the dose of what you take on empty stomach. I noticed i sometimes even feel better then empty stomache when i do that, maybe because i always add omega fish oil, who knows. But if dont want to raise tolerance, empty stomach is the way.

[Gnorrell623#]

I always take it on an empty stomach. I have eaten a few times after taking a dose maybe like 30 mins or so. I haven't notice a difference. I definitely do not want to raise my tolerance thats for sure.

[Jking]

Well I’ve never tried methadone but I did take suboxone for a year, or so trying to get off heroin. Now as bad as heroin was the suboxone was so much worse trying to kick. Heroin hurt but subs about drove me crazy. It’s weird when they make stuff like suboxone, and methdone to get people clean. I mean why give an opioid to get people off opioids it’s all a big thing that they do to make money in my opinion. Trust me the best thing is to just stop because methadone is just a crutch that will eventually break. Plus the subs had naltrexone in it which is pointless because it’s already has ceiling effect without it. It’s bad for your liver, and caused mine to go up a few points. Subutex is much better same thing but without the opioid blocker added to it. Subutex can get you pretty high, and I’m pretty sure methadone shares in the insane half life that is extremely long. Heroin you got three days then you got a chance; with subs I was in pain for months because of the insane half life. Good luck get rest, exercise if possible, take hot showers, and avoid anything that’s an opioid. You would be surprised how much better life can get when you give it some time. That empty painful feeling it leaves will eventually fade it just takes time which must people have trouble with this one. Now rehab is also a option but it depends on how bad off you are. If you eat, rest, take supplements, and stay clean I think you will be fine. Meetings are Essential but I would be a hypocrite if I said that I go but I do know they help. Of course methadone is a full opioid without a ceiling effect so it differ from subs in that. Kratom helps but it’s just a bandage to give you time to face the real problems. I’ve been an addict that’s done just about everything, and put myself in bad spots to many times to count but I never was as low as I was taking prescribed opiates like subs to get clean. You must be careful sometimes the doctor will hurt you more than help. Not to mention the money they make off people suffering.