Mystery Solved: HOW Kratom Works. Strains and Potentiators!

[BallzDeep9]

News Flash: I have finally solved ALL of these "issues" with Kratom - Problems:

• New popular Strains "work" for some people but not others ??
• New Strains don't work right away, but then DO work later?
• I keep buying New Strains. They work sometimes, but not other times.
• Strain Reviews, maybe don't work because "People are Different".
• I like Reds not Greens. Then a Green worked, but a Red did not.
• I have tried Turmeric, Grapefruit Juice, etc. Nothing seems to work?

YES. I have FINALLY solved the MYSTERY -- Fake "Strains", bullshit, Hype after hype - 200 vendors / 3000 "strains" for Sale ? THIS Vendor is good, THAT same Vendor is BAD ? Silly "Alkaloid Profiles" - huh ? Potentiators... Blah Blah! - People buying 20 Kilos from 20 different Vendors - then Selling ALL because it's ALL the Same (Yes. That really happened right here on Double MM!) The Answer to ALL these Questions, and

HOW kratom "really works" is very simple! -- HINT: The ANSWER can be completely spelled out, in just a few WORDS!

That's The Problem! - Can anyone guess The Solution ? I WILL REVEAL THE SOLUTION - HERE! .

[NiqueKristan]

News Flash: I have finally solved ALL of these "issues" with Kratom - Problems:

• New popular Strains "work" for some people but not others ??
• New Strains don't work right away, but then DO work later?
• I keep buying New Strains. They work sometimes, but not other times.
• Strain Reviews, maybe don't work because "People are Different".
• I like Reds not Greens. Then a Green worked, but a Red did not.
• I have tried Turmeric, Grapefruit Juice, etc. Nothing seems to work?

YES. I have FINALLY solved the MYSTERY -- Fake "Strains", bullshit, Hype after hype - 200 vendors / 3000 "strains" for Sale ? THIS Vendor is good, THAT same Vendor is BAD ? Silly "Alkaloid Profiles" - huh ? Potentiators... Blah Blah! - People buying 20 Kilos from 20 different Vendors - then Selling ALL because it's ALL the Same (Yes. That really happened right here on Double MM!) The Answer to ALL these Questions, and

HOW kratom "really works" is very simple! -- HINT: The ANSWER can be completely spelled out, in just a few WORDS!

That's The Problem! - Can anyone guess The Solution ? I WILL REVEAL THE SOLUTION - HERE! .

You think all kratom is the same and effects are purely determined mentally?

[BallzDeep9]

You think all kratom is the same and effects are purely determined mentally?

AH! Good Guess ? Let me be more specific - Effects are different, yes ?

And everyone "thinks" Effects are different because of.... "Strains" ? And that's MOST of the Talk about Kratom. Here, on Mewe, on Reddit, on Facebook. "Strains" - To EXPLAIN WHY - Effects are Different.

BUT! here's the Big Butt. #1 - SCIENCE says, NO, there is NO real difference between the 3000 "strains" FOR SALE. They're not really strains. AND they're like snowflakes, they're all different, yes but... It's ALL Kratom ?

AND #2 - I took the exact SAME "strains", the same amount, on the same Time Of Day... different Day. And I get TOTALLY different "Effects".

So that's another HINT. Plus all the "issues" above, which everyone knows, but... WHAT is missing ??

[NiqueKristan]

You think all kratom is the same and effects are purely determined mentally?

AH! Good Guess ? Let me be more specific - Effects are different, yes ?

And everyone "thinks" Effects are different because of.... "Strains" ? And that's MOST of the Talk about Kratom. Here, on Mewe, on Reddit, on Facebook. "Strains" - To EXPLAIN WHY - Effects are Different.

BUT! here's the Big Butt. #1 - SCIENCE says, NO, there is NO real difference between the 3000 "strains" FOR SALE. They're not really strains. AND they're like snowflakes, they're all different, yes but... It's ALL Kratom ?

AND #2 - I took the exact SAME "strains", the same amount, on the same Time Of Day... different Day. And I get TOTALLY different "Effects".

So that's another HINT. Plus all the "issues" above, which everyone knows, but... WHAT is missing ??

Perhaps effects are different based on mood, amount of sleep, diet, amount of water intake? So kratom effects are different based on how we feel/what we did that day, not because of the “strain” itself?

[add to descartes]

click bait.

[Salt miner]

Yea I find it hard to believe all these different vendors have all these different strains I've always wondered how many suppliers there are and how many of these vendors use the same suppliers

[NiqueKristan]

Yea I find it hard to believe all these different vendors have all these different strains I've always wondered how many suppliers there are and how many of these vendors use the same suppliers

Small batch vendors tend to ensure they don’t use the same suppliers. Vendors like Denette use several different suppliers and he has high standard. “Strains” are just names of batches based on location, cure, age etc. Their makeup varies though , so if you think about it, their are endless “strains”.

[BallzDeep9]

So I had a genuine, honest to goodness, Epiphany the other day - After many years, it blew my mind!! This is NOT much discussed, and it's got the MOST "Impact Value" regarding, feeling the BEST effects from Kratom... This is NOT just another blah blah about Vendors and Strains. It's more... WHAT makes kratom work ? Hint: NOT really a Potentiator!

Here's 1 more Clue. Then I'll Finish my Story, and reveal the ANSWER!! . THIS was posted on Facebook, last week, and it GOT me thinking. The person is I believe, an RN ? or works in some Medical field in Nursing or Hospital Tech... The person is not a frequent poster. They only posted this block of Text. I have edited out, parts about Tolerance and addiction and breaks. That's important, yes, and my Solution is related to Tolerance... But this is NOT just another "Take Less" or "Take a Break" solution. It's something MORE than that!! QUOTE:

So many people will tell you to switch strains, switch vendors, switch colors, etc to lower your tolerance. As someone who has studied addiction and physical dependence extensively for the last 15 years, who has done probably thousands of hours of research into these types of issues, due to my personal issues with addiction and the those of people who I love - I can tell you that this does not make any sense at all. Physical dependence of this type occurs when your body receives a higher than it would normally produce hit of dopamine on a regular basis due to the introduction of some specific chemical ... It is absolutely IMPERATIVE that you take frequent, regular, and complete tolerance breaks. You also need to stay very very well hydrated this is so important and people never do it. Kratom is a fairly powerful diuretic. You should take your weight in pounds cut that number in half. Whatever that number is that's how many ounces of water you should drink every day as a baseline. Now you're taking a fairly powerful diuretic everyday or pretty close to every day you need to take whatever your baseline number is and multiply it times 1.3 at the least preferably 1.4 or 5 and drink that much water every single day. Your entire system every system in your body needs water to run appropriately and efficiently and to keep you healthy and 95% of Americans are chronically dehydrated. Many of us to the point where it is doing damage to our bodies on a daily basis. Your body cannot help you prevent physical dependence it cannot help keep your pain levels down it cannot keep you healthy in any way not mentally physically emotionally not in any way without enough water.

[Totomman]

I don’t find this true, I can 100% blindly tell the difference in colors

[Totomman]

Yea I find it hard to believe all these different vendors have all these different strains I've always wondered how many suppliers there are and how many of these vendors use the same suppliers

Small batch vendors tend to ensure they don’t use the same suppliers. Vendors like Denette use several different suppliers and he has high standard. “Strains” are just names of batches based on location, cure, age etc. Their makeup varies though , so if you think about it, their are endless “strains”.

Yea, fused flora is pretty transparent
His boreno is LITERALLY from a supplier in boreno
His kapuas are LITERALLY from another supplier in kapua
I think ballz is confused. You seen my reviews, I’m very detailed and I can tell a red from a white with 100% accuracy and a green from red with 85% accuracy

[Kelleytoons]

I understand what Mr. B is getting at but I think it's only partly (if that) true.

I think (his coyness is only interesting if it makes you think :>) he's suggesting our bodies themselves build up a sort of "storehouse" or "counter" or "container" of whatever reaction to this stuff is available. and when that "thing" (whatever you want to call it) is emptied (or full - again, it depends on how you look at it) then the Kratom we take is more powerful (or less - again, this all depends on how you are viewing things).

He's also suggesting that water is the key to resetting this counter. So, in other words, if you haven't drank enough water then Kratom will only hit you so hard because your body's "thingee" is only available to do so much (again, the terms are going to be self-defining). Once you've flushed out the thingee, then it's ready to work again.

If that is what he's getting at (and, again, while I appreciate the point of thinking about this really is, he's dragging this out a bit too much) I suspect there is SOME truth to this. How much truth, though, AGAIN depends ON THE INDIVIDUAL. IOW, this ain't gonna to be a universal truth.

I know this because I'm VERY aware of my body's hydration. I've been to the ER not once but twice and each time it was because I PASSED OUT DUE TO BEING DEHYDRATED (both times I work up in the ER with an IV of saline in). It's a very long story but I'm a tennis player who played for decades in one climate, and then retired to another but wasn't prepared for the new one. In any case, since that time, about a decade ago, I've paid very close attention to hydration and all the signs of it and thus it really is a null factor for me in terms of Kratom use - yes, you have to drink more when using it, but the same is true of opioids (in fact, to a greater extent) and for the last couple of decades I was using them heavily. So let's just say I have NOT been in a case of dehydration and yet Kratom strains hit me differently.

But - it might very well be true for a lot of other people. Again, we are all our own experimenters here, and it never hurts to be properly hydrated. You almost cannot drink too much (you actually can, but it's usually only the very young who can suffer in this regard). Drink a lot of water, get all the benefits of that, flush your body properly, and your Kratom should work for you as well as it ever can.

[Cuttlefish]

I think it’s more the potency. There are different levels of potency IMO. So are you going all the way, and you think there’s no such thing as bunk kratom? Why have you spent so much time on the vendor list if you think every one is the same?

I think whites are weaker and mean you’re dosing lower. I bet a large dose of white feels like red. So if the main ingredient is in lower amounts, you dosing higher may get more of the background alkaloids, and vice versa. I think it all comes down to the amount of mitra.

I think magnesium is a huge help most people are deficient in, take it before bed spaces from your doses. Water and all that other stuff. I believe in cayenne pepper as a potentiator, and black seed oil, but not much else

[Loveandpeace]

Whatever, man!! This is BS!

You guys are just shills for 'Big Diaper'...

Charmin' Charlatan's...
Cottonelle Conmen...

I know you people. However, you DO NOT know my bladder!!

[BallzDeep9]

There are different levels of potency IMO. So are you going all the way, and you think there’s no such thing as bunk kratom? Why have you spent so much time on the vendor list if you think every one is the same? ...

I think it all comes down to the amount of mitra.

GREAT questions! And I agree with your observations... Yes. Kratom "Potency" comes down to the amount of Mitragynine. Sure, there is Bunk kratom. And, there is Super Potent kratom. There is a Range of Quality... and also, an Upper Limit to Quality. However - An important aspect of Physics - There is NO evidence that Kratom has anything BUT a "Normal Distribution". . Meaning ? Very important. Most kratom is Average, on the Bell Curve... and the Top 5% Super Potent, is EQUAL in quantity overall, to the Bottom 5% Bunk... MOST batches fall into the 90% Average.

One Answer to your Vendor List question ? Obviously. There is a HUGE difference in Price!!! Different Vendors, sell the SAME thing, for double & triple the Price!

But! THIS thread is NOT about: Vendors, or Strains, Red Green, or standard distributions, or prices.

Big Thanks to Kellytoons! For getting very CLOSE, to the simple Solution here. Which can be stated again, in 3 or 4 WORDS!!

This IS about HOW Kratom works... and getting the BEST effects, from even "Average Quality" Leaf - which is 90% of what's out there. And... Doing this simple THING, will make even Below Average kratom --> FEEL like Top Quality. // while others who DON'T DO this thing, will make Top Quality leaf feel like... blah. Nothing.

AND - AS expected - This Question/ Answer, is quickly going Off Topic. SO - I will REVEAL the Answer here today shortly. Stay Tuned!!

[add to descartes]

well if it's on facebook it must be true.

unless the person that wrote that is a pharmacologist or a botanist of some sort, I'd say they aren't qualified to make claims on this. but they're an RN ? or works in some Medical field in Nursing or Hospital Tech, you believe? not only is that extremely vague, but it's irrelevant even if true.

they're basically saying tolerance and not drinking enough water is the reason for all of the "problems" in the op. those two things are important, but they can hardly account for the "problems."

all strains are the same? give me a break. if that were true, I wouldn't have any crappy kratom in my collection. I try some of these strains every now and then, and they never start working. there is clearly something else at work besides tolerance and hydration. this is just wrong at every turn.

you say this thread isn't about strains, yet you mention them several times in the op.

just post what you're going to post. this kind of click bait belongs on facebook, where it came from.

I'd wager the answer has something to do with the placebo effect.

[BallzDeep9]

Back Story: I prepared a Red Bubble Tea Mix, lasting me TWO days. I DO "blend" out of habit. I consume only good quality Leaf. Strains don't matter here; please keep reading. (I have lots of TFH, Rhino, Philly, Okie Leaf etc.) So, on Day #1 I consume my normal amount. I enjoy TWO or more, servings a day. ON this Day #1... BOTH servings felt rather... Blah. Top Quality Leaf. Effects Blah... must be... Tolerance? Right ? A few days ago I DID enjoy some Extract. So maybe that Extract blew my Tolerance?

I was constipated. Sometimes I forget to drink enough water! I'm always fighting chronic constipation, it happens in cycles. Sometimes it's a thing ? Other days or weeks, no problem. About once every week or two, I take a Stool Softener at bedtime. TMI ? Keep reading please. This is important. ON this day, I knew I was plugged up... So I took the Docusate Sodium pill before bedtime. And I had a Fish Oil cap with dinner. Overnight and next morning, I drank extra water. And sure enough, after Breakfast... BOOM!

IN Fact, I took TWO shits within a few hours. Completely cleared OUT my guts! And, also got some Exercise in there somewhere. And also had Lunch in there somewhere... Normal day. Feeling good and healthy! Then around 3:00 PM - TIME for my "Late Serving" of Kratom. The exact SAME Red Bubble mix from the day before. Same strains where I felt so Blah the day before. And thinking I had a Tolerance problem...

THIS time, Day #2 the Kratom was hitting fast, and quickly I got that feeling... Here comes a nice STRONG burn! You know the feeling!! Sure enough an hour later, I was absolutely flying - The Effects were maybe as STRONG as I've had in weeks. Just from my Regular Size serving! And, this burn seemed JUST as strong, like 4+ Hours later. Super strong & Long legs. Tolerance ?? NO - I'm suddenly getting PEAK effects, from my Regular Average serving amount!

[BallzDeep9]

• Kratom effects ARE mediated by mµ opioid receptors located in the intestines.
• Intestines: Bowels which are full of shit, cannot activate those mµ receptors!!
• Full stomach and Full bowels = Little to NO effects...
• Empty stomach and Empty bowels = Strong and Long effects!
• Kratom Constipation is caused by large servings, poor digestion, gut motility.

The #1 METHOD you MUST do, for Kratom to "Really Work"!

The #1 THING if you DON'T do, then Kratom will NOT "Work"!

The #1 ANSWER to everyone's MYSTERY of "HOW Kratom WORKS" IS....

Drum Roll Please... The Solution: "Clear Your Bowels".

aka... Take A Shit. Seriously. How did everyone MISS this ?? How many people here, have Chronic Constipation? (I know the Opioid folks do!!) Does everyone know... WHERE Kratom is mainly absorbed into the body? Where those mµ Receptors are located. NO it's NOT "the stomach".

[NiqueKristan]

• Kratom effects ARE mediated by mµ opioid receptors located in the intestines.
• Intestines: Bowels which are full of shit, cannot activate those mµ receptors!!
• Full stomach and Full bowels = Little to NO effects...
• Empty stomach and Empty bowels = Strong and Long effects!
• Kratom Constipation is caused by large servings, poor digestion, gut motility.

The #1 METHOD you MUST do, for Kratom to "Really Work"!

The #1 THING if you DON'T do, then Kratom will NOT "Work"!

The #1 ANSWER to everyone's MYSTERY of "HOW Kratom WORKS" IS....

Drum Roll Please... The Solution: "Clear Your Bowels".

aka... Take A Shit. Seriously. How did everyone MISS this ?? How many people here, have Chronic Constipation? (I know the Opioid folks do!!) Does everyone know... WHERE Kratom is mainly absorbed into the body? Where those mµ Receptors are located. NO it's NOT "the stomach".

Yup you’re right that bowels make a big difference

[Lokey]

• Kratom effects ARE mediated by mµ opioid receptors located in the intestines.
• Intestines: Bowels which are full of shit, cannot activate those mµ receptors!!
• Full stomach and Full bowels = Little to NO effects...
• Empty stomach and Empty bowels = Strong and Long effects!
• Kratom Constipation is caused by large servings, poor digestion, gut motility.

The #1 METHOD you MUST do, for Kratom to "Really Work"!

The #1 THING if you DON'T do, then Kratom will NOT "Work"!

The #1 ANSWER to everyone's MYSTERY of "HOW Kratom WORKS" IS....

Drum Roll Please... The Solution: "Clear Your Bowels".

aka... Take A Shit. Seriously. How did everyone MISS this ?? How many people here, have Chronic Constipation? (I know the Opioid folks do!!) Does everyone know... WHERE Kratom is mainly absorbed into the body? Where those mµ Receptors are located. NO it's NOT "the stomach".

I discovered this from my own personal experience and since have been posting ON FB in response to others who complain it's not working (in addition to other things like rotating batches and vendors) the importance of keeping things moving along and clearing out! I experienced it not working when things weren't moving and working much better once it cleared out.... so there!

[Totomman]

• Kratom effects ARE mediated by mµ opioid receptors located in the intestines.
• Intestines: Bowels which are full of shit, cannot activate those mµ receptors!!
• Full stomach and Full bowels = Little to NO effects...
• Empty stomach and Empty bowels = Strong and Long effects!
• Kratom Constipation is caused by large servings, poor digestion, gut motility.

The #1 METHOD you MUST do, for Kratom to "Really Work"!

The #1 THING if you DON'T do, then Kratom will NOT "Work"!

The #1 ANSWER to everyone's MYSTERY of "HOW Kratom WORKS" IS....

Drum Roll Please... The Solution: "Clear Your Bowels".

aka... Take A Shit. Seriously. How did everyone MISS this ?? How many people here, have Chronic Constipation? (I know the Opioid folks do!!) Does everyone know... WHERE Kratom is mainly absorbed into the body? Where those mµ Receptors are located. NO it's NOT "the stomach".

EVERYTHING. Well almost everything hits harder with clean bowels/empty stomach though. When I was a kid welder take those nicotine patches, even those on an empty stomach will mess u up pretty badly

[brave777]

I don’t find this true, I can 100% blindly tell the difference in colors

I can tell the difference as well 100% as a long term user. I honestly think this all lands on source. Every source dry kratom differently and collected leaf on different seasons come to play, some mastered the dry method by accident some figured it our what season to collect and dry.. I am still using 60% kratom that is not on his kratom list and big vendors. Its just more superior and effective. Like https://buy-kratom.us/ white one always stood out for me no matter what time i buy it from them... I think their source knows how to dry it, is it a big vendor ? yes and very effective for me. Another one that stands out is https://hbandmcompany.com/ . I seem to strike gold with them, not everything from him is AWW but once you strike one, its a keeper. Thats why rotating source kratom from different vendors is important. If i want something stronger then lucky it is but i know with lucky you got to stay under 2.5 grams or else you might have a headache. Others some you can go 4-7 grams per dose and it will stand out as similar if not better where as 2 or 3 grams you wont feel much of anything. Of course time in between doses plays a big roll 100%.... The longer you go without kratom the better you will feel it. Coffee 100% makes it stand out. With no coffee i always felt like i am not getting the full effects. Coffee is the magic trick. Even coffee alone taken on kratom break days will help trough kratom wd's if any. Having constipation issue, i drink any favorite hot tea around the house and never have constipation. Coffee helps with that alone, i also noticed if you are hungry and do it on empty stomach, it can actually be worst feeling. A small snack of goodys, NOT A LOT first thing in the morning works better for me compared to 100% empty stomach. it could be a small mandarin, or half a apple or some nuts.

[Fhietra899]

That's why different ppl has different effects with same kratom. And everyday its give little bit different eftects from a batch that you have.
But quality from kratom products have big role too.

[Lokey]

• Kratom effects ARE mediated by mµ opioid receptors located in the intestines.
• Intestines: Bowels which are full of shit, cannot activate those mµ receptors!!
• Full stomach and Full bowels = Little to NO effects...
• Empty stomach and Empty bowels = Strong and Long effects!
• Kratom Constipation is caused by large servings, poor digestion, gut motility.

The #1 METHOD you MUST do, for Kratom to "Really Work"!

The #1 THING if you DON'T do, then Kratom will NOT "Work"!

The #1 ANSWER to everyone's MYSTERY of "HOW Kratom WORKS" IS....

Drum Roll Please... The Solution: "Clear Your Bowels".

aka... Take A Shit. Seriously. How did everyone MISS this ?? How many people here, have Chronic Constipation? (I know the Opioid folks do!!) Does everyone know... WHERE Kratom is mainly absorbed into the body? Where those mµ Receptors are located. NO it's NOT "the stomach".

Yup you’re right that bowels make a big difference

I've been wondering, there's a lot more than these kinds of receptors in our intestines. Whenever I feel hurt bad emotionally I feel it in my abdomen
I always thought people felt emotional pain in their hearts, but I feel it intensely in my abdomen. I always thought that was weird. Whether it's a heart break or someone just hurting my feelings it's my gut that wrdnches.

[Kelleytoons]

This is an interesting theory, Mr. B. If true it explains why most folks feel their first dose of the day (after they have fasted all night). And if, like me, most folks are regular and have a BM at the start of the day, it would also account for that.

What it DOESN"T account for is there are really several different kinds of "obstructions". You can be truly constipated (we all know what that is like) or your BM patterns can be "regular" but not every day. As long as you have a regular pattern you are considered regular. Not everyone has to go everyday. I happen to, but I eat a lot of fiber, drink a lot of water, and play a lot of tennis (all things which contribute greatly to being regular). And Kratom STILL hits me differently at different times (but I am going to now closely monitor my stomach in terms of when I last ate, because that might be something I'm not paying close enough attention to - I used to just try and have my Kratom an hour after I ate, but perhaps that's too soon so I *will* try keeping track to see if that's the issue).

Thanks for an interesting discussion (I would have rather not have it drag out so long, but as long as folks were thinking it was worth doing that way).

[Totomman]

I don’t find this true, I can 100% blindly tell the difference in colors

I can tell the difference as well 100% as a long term user. I honestly think this all lands on source. Every source dry kratom differently and collected leaf on different seasons come to play, some mastered the dry method by accident some figured it our what season to collect and dry.. I am still using 60% kratom that is not on his kratom list and big vendors. Its just more superior and effective. Like https://buy-kratom.us/ white one always stood out for me no matter what time i buy it from them... I think their source knows how to dry it, is it a big vendor ? yes and very effective for me. Another one that stands out is https://hbandmcompany.com/ . I seem to strike gold with them, not everything from him is AWW but once you strike one, its a keeper. Thats why rotating source kratom from different vendors is important. If i want something stronger then lucky it is but i know with lucky you got to stay under 2.5 grams or else you might have a headache. Others some you can go 4-7 grams per dose and it will stand out as similar if not better where as 2 or 3 grams you wont feel much of anything. Of course time in between doses plays a big roll 100%.... The longer you go without kratom the better you will feel it. Coffee 100% makes it stand out. With no coffee i always felt like i am not getting the full effects. Coffee is the magic trick. Even coffee alone taken on kratom break days will help trough kratom wd's if any. Having constipation issue, i drink any favorite hot tea around the house and never have constipation. Coffee helps with that alone, i also noticed if you are hungry and do it on empty stomach, it can actually be worst feeling. A small snack of goodys, NOT A LOT first thing in the morning works better for me compared to 100% empty stomach. it could be a small mandarin, or half a apple or some nuts.

ALLEGEDLY, it’s the caffeine, not the coffee. Coffee actually decreases the burn. Try tea maybe

[brave777]

Totomman, i think if we did a poll if coffee decreases the burn or it increases the burn, i think the increase in effects would win. and yes caffeine and not coffee to be more scientific. I guess caffeine pills would work too but i think coffee liquid has something to it to clean your gut, how many times you heard, that coffee is a form of a detox? So in theory it would increase the kratom process in stomache? Like artificial flavored coffee makes me stomach feel weird and upset and sometimes puke like symptoms. I am talking about french vanilla or hazelnut flavor for example. I try to stick to pure organic coffee beans, grind it your self. so much better in flavor and taste as it is all naturall and zero odd effects that you get from artificially flavored. Big difference, once you try pure organic beans with no artificial in it you will never go back and forget about your favorite flavors. Caffeine 100% increases the effects for me, it could be decrease if you adding artificial flavors? Because i sure hate it and it messes with my heart and random stomach issue. Sometimes i wonder what is really in it that makes the french vanilla flavor or hazelnut flavor? It took me a while to understand what is causing me issues, at least i figured it out.

[Brad frerichs]

Tricky topics. Strange leaf we have here. I have depression/anxiety issues and I believe this has something some effect on the effect leaf has on me, I think? I also use to think water intake had something to do with the effects as well, but starting to doubt that as I’ve been drinking 6-10 bottles of water a day for years and years, I get no consistency. Sunnier it is, the busier I am, does that effect my burn? Was leaning towards that as well, but no having my doubts. So here’s where I am now, I’m leaning towards my diet? Having my doubts here as well. Sometimes when I’m not focused on the effects after a dose, I get smacked, but that can’t be it right? Here’s what I have for you, I’m to the point where I’m done trying to figure this leaf out. When I have a nice burn, I get on my knees and thank good. A good burn means a better father/husband/son/boss/worker I am ect… still working on the days where my burns are not effective, I get depressed and just blah. Maybe this goes back to my depression IDK. A good burn means my back feels better, my mood is better, and my energy is better, and I’m more social. Anyhow I wish could figure this leaf out but unfortunately that will never happen. Don’t tell me to take a break lol been there done that many times. Have a great day folks.

[Kelleytoons]

But according to this thread, at least, the main issue is your colon/stomach. Make sure those things are empty and you will feel it.

I'm not quite sure I agree about the colon - I've been regular for the last decade or so and my Kratom use is still a bit undefined - but I have tested the full/empty stomach yesterday and thought about some of my patterns and it seems to fit. For sure my best burn is first thing in the morning, after fasting all night (as we all do - there's a reason it's called break fast). And for several days recently I was eating a TINY meal before I took my dose for tennis and that seemed to negate it completely.

Yesterday I tried something interesting to me, though - I at my lunch as usual (after a great morning burn without food) and then waited a full six hours before trying another dose. Not only did it hit well, but THEN I was able to eat dinner and the effects were not lost. This is the reverse of the past, where I would have eaten dinner and THEN taken my Kratom a few hours later, so I'm thinking (so far, at least) that your stomach needs to be REALLY empty, not just a few hours but at least five or six, before you take your dose. I will continue to experiment with this theory.

[mivanqua]

I agree with all of this and actually know it's time to take a dose in the afternoon after the lunch is....you know.

As far as the scientific studies saying there is no difference in kratomses, they are clearly looking in the wrong place. I, along with many others, have concluded that MIT and 7OHM are not the only factors in the kratom magic toolbox. All of those other, less understood, alkaloids just MAY play a part in the nuance if the experience. Like pot. For decades I've heard %∆9 is what makes the pot, but I know a few growers that are CONVINCED that the terpenes are what gives the pot it's delicate differences. Who knows. It would ABSOLUTELY make sense that they were lying. They always do..

I don't follow the science because the science follows the money

-some famous person I forget whom.

Its true.

[pray4peace4]

Well Ballz... with all the hype you started out with I was convinced I was being fed the gaaarbagzzze, you know what I mean? But you ended up on point, dude(I think you're a dude, but if not, dude-ette)! That Facebook post wasn't believable in the slightest, but it gave you the correct direction to look in.

For years people have been saying the secret is hydration & they say it so often without any rational flow of thought that it's maddening. Kratom isn't a diuretic to me. Not in the slightest. Never. At one time I did try the hydration advice just to be sure, & sure enough it had no effect at all. You, Ballz, went the next step & used a laxative & it worked. That makes perfect sense. Absolute perfect sense.

Any of you readers ever been on chronic opiates? I have... for 10 years straight & I was given them by my medical insurer. The first thing they tell you before they give you the prescription is that it will really constipate you, & they've always told me to take the docusate pills to keep things moving. What does that have to do with kratom? Kratom paralyzes the intestinal wall muscles just like opiates do because that effect is caused by mu receptor stimulation. And if you're constipated, everything stops moving through your intestines. And when it stops moving, your body isn't able to absorb much from it. That's why the more kratom you ingest, the quicker the effects decline. And everybody that takes kratom has experienced the slowdown. I know because r/kratom was full of those posts back in the beginning.

In all honesty I have to say that all of this is speculation. I haven't done any tests to verify it, but it's the first hypothesis that makes any sense at all. Why don't we all test it & see what happens? I'm going to use Miralax because it works better than those docusate pills & is fairly mild.

Dang it Ballz, thank you for posting this. I never thought I'd ever say that.

[Kelleytoons]

As someone who is STILL regular (despite taking prescribed opioids for well over 10 years and then on Kratom) to me the empty stomach was far more key. IOW, it had nothing to do (with ME) of whether I had a good BM because I ALWAYS do, each and every day. But with a bit of food? Even two hours later Kratom was blocked. (Which is why the first dose in the morning works best for nearly EVERYONE).

So I think it's ALL important - keep regular, of course, keep hydrated (OF COURSE) and take your Kratom with an empty stomach, at least four or five hours after eating (I think more is better). I've proven this to myself over the last week and am convinced, FOR ME, this is the key.

(And it's yet one more thing about our favorite leaf that fits the "everyone is different". We all have different issues, situations, and no advice can be completely foolproof. But doing the best we can does work once we figure out WHAT WORKS FOR US).

[Trippyhippydippy]

As someone who is STILL regular (despite taking prescribed opioids for well over 10 years and then on Kratom) to me the empty stomach was far more key. IOW, it had nothing to do (with ME) of whether I had a good BM because I ALWAYS do, each and every day. But with a bit of food? Even two hours later Kratom was blocked. (Which is why the first dose in the morning works best for nearly EVERYONE).

So I think it's ALL important - keep regular, of course, keep hydrated (OF COURSE) and take your Kratom with an empty stomach, at least four or five hours after eating (I think more is better). I've proven this to myself over the last week and am convinced, FOR ME, this is the key.

(And it's yet one more thing about our favorite leaf that fits the "everyone is different". We all have different issues, situations, and no advice can be completely foolproof. But doing the best we can does work once we figure out WHAT WORKS FOR US).

Super interesting because i get my best dose when i have adequate hydration and nutrition to burn. eating first then dosing an hour and a half later is best for me. Empty stomach doesnt have the same strength and doesnt last. I also have a super fast metabolism which may affect this also what your eating could affect it to i find when im not alkaline the kratom burns up in my stomach acid.

[PistolsAtDawn]

Agreed. I've noticed this too. A magnesium complex capsule at night sometimes makes a BIG difference to me in how well my burns go the next day since it makes you poop. I've noticed this difference is stronger if I've suddenly "unplugged" after being slightly constipated.

That and hydration seem to be the biggest factors in my experience. In fact, I need some water right now. I know this because I barely feel the Lucky Herbals Green Mang Da that I took this morning, and that's unusual. I'm also thirsty haha.

[Sanbutsushin]

It's interesting to hear again and again that coffee negatively impacts a burn. I put my kratom in my coffee if I have any in the morning and it gets me through the morning/afternoon just fine. If I have kratom at night I put it in a smoothie instead and haven't really noticed a difference in how it hits. But I also am prescribed gabapentin so that could be a factor... or something.

I wonder how the bowel clearing thing would work with people with GI problems like IBS and Crohn's and the like. If you aren't "regular" would it impact your burns? Hmm...