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yet another tolerance thread

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I have a lot I’ve been ruminating on so I’m just going to use voice text because I find it much easier (ADHD brain lol 😅) so sorry if this post is sort of meandering- I will try and keep it reasonable and try to catch any typos.

I am a former opioid addict who has been using kratom as maintenance, as well as to help treat my anxiety depression and ADHD, on and off for over 5 years now. For the last couple years I’ve been taking kratom pretty consistently and have experimented with all sorts of doses and strains and vendors and extracts, etc. In more recent time, maybe about the last 6 months or so, I really been trying to be mindful about my dosages, one for the sake of my tolerance but also because back when I was taking larger doses I really noticed how it affected my gastrointestinal system, as I’m already prone to stomach issues. but first and foremost it’s really just for the sake of my tolerance.

So for a while I was buying from MM and getting consistently good burns and got to the point where I even had to bump down my dose a bit because I was starting to get wobbles and other negative effects pretty frequently and I got my dose to around 2.5 g. I’ve always been pretty prone to wobbles and the like but I’ve been in the past just powered through it and kept redosing which I think has resulted in really jacking up my tolerance and sucking a lot of the benefit out of kratom for me.

More recently I bought a batch from Mystic Island that just wasn’t hitting at all and I ended up messing up my tolerance again and it wasn’t until the recent TFH event (and winning the membership raffle! ^_^ ) that I really started to work to bring it back down.

I’ve been using the agmatine to get my dose down to 3 g, but I’ve been using it pretty consistently for the last month since I got my first package from TFH. The effects have been nice and pleasant but nothing has knocked me over and after doing some research I saw people mention how admin team can often mute the effects. Today was my first day off from it and the strains aren’t hitting at all.

I realize the answer is probably to take a small t-break but I’ve been feeling anxiety about it. I initially tried to use the agmatine to help taper and I kind of chickened out halfway through though I was able to get my dose down a bit.

Basically I’m trying to do the 24 to 48 reset like Ballz talks about but I’m just looking for some more advice. It’s been a long long time since I’ve done a proper t break and in the past I’ve used very small slivers of my very old suboxone rx to help. i’m concerned if I use that this time around that I won’t end up getting any of the desired effects of a tolerance break.

Just looking for any advice anyone has to help facilitate the process, how long everyone thinks I should try and go for, how to best taper and what increment to taper at. As it stands I don’t think my tolerance is super high right now, my dose is at 3 g and I dose about 4 time a day. but I really feel like I’m cheating myself out of the desirable affects because even on the days that everything has been hitting it really hasn’t been lasting for very long and just feels very muted and I am very anxious to get to a place where I can enjoy it again even if the prospect of a property break is scary.

anyway sorry for the novel! Any feedback anyone has is greatly appreciated!

**edit: to be clear, I haven’t taken any Suboxone in almost two years- it’s just what I used the last time I had an extended break from kratom
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You said that today was your first day off agmatine and your effects are still muted.. it may take a couple of days to clear out but, if you have been using slivers of suboxone id say that would be the bigger issue?

Try taking some fermented kratom for a couple of days, that usually brings back the magic fairly quickly for me
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Cold turkey for a few days.
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CatfatherB wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:26 am You said that today was your first day off agmatine and your effects are still muted.. it may take a couple of days to clear out but, if you have been using slivers of suboxone id say that would be the bigger issue?

Try taking some fermented kratom for a couple of days, that usually brings back the magic fairly quickly for me
sorry that was a bit vague. to be clear, I haven’t used the Suboxone in over 2 years

also, for whatever reason, the effects were almost nonexistent yesterday. as opposed to the last month of taking agmatine, where they were present but on the more subtle end of things.

I will give the fermented a shot!
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bump!
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Could someone link me to the 24-48 hour reset thread? I tried to search but still can’t find it.
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shornsilk wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:21 am ... I saw people mention how Agmatine can often mute the effects. Today was my first day off from it and the strains aren’t hitting at all.
Agree with CatfatherB , we're both reading your post & yes it can take a few days, to recover from a Agmatine taper cycle.. you took the Agmatine in the evening right? First place to "cut back" your doses is, evening. You don't need Kratom to sleep ? get some Melatonin and Valerian if necessary.. Sleep aids.

imho 12 gpd is still enough to destroy Tolerance for most people. :? Filled-up receptors, from years of abuse or whatever... Are gonna need some time off. General principle. Completely clean from Suboxone, years? That should be enough but every day I read ppl saying they can't feel kratom, their Tolerance is jacked... I think some ppl are trying to switch right over, from opioid to kratom, with no break. That's probably not going to work? Receptors may need a re-set back to zero?

Frustrating I know, but does take a few days of tapering... those days don't expect much "good effects", you're just treading water. :P Once the entire Agmatine Cycle is complete (A full week, 7 days, dropping gpd along with Agmatine at night) then it'll still take a few more days... IF you could stand feeling shitty for even 1 day clean ? you'd def feel kratom again one day later.

Your 3g x 4 = 12 gpd ? Goal should be cut that in half ? :geek: First cut one of those doses completely, never take kratom at night... Another thing, take a little more 1st dose of the day... A little less later in day. Make your morning dose on empty stomach, 4g and then later serving only 2g ?? You still have Mitragyna in your bloodstream hours later. Good Luck!
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BallzDeep9 wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:11 pm
shornsilk wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:21 am ... I saw people mention how Agmatine can often mute the effects. Today was my first day off from it and the strains aren’t hitting at all.
Agree with CatfatherB , we're both reading your post & yes it can take a few days, to recover from a Agmatine taper cycle.. you took the Agmatine in the evening right? First place to "cut back" your doses is, evening. You don't need Kratom to sleep ? get some Melatonin and Valerian if necessary.. Sleep aids.

imho 12 gpd is still enough to destroy Tolerance for most people. :? Filled-up receptors, from years of abuse or whatever... Are gonna need some time off. General principle. Completely clean from Suboxone, years? That should be enough but every day I read ppl saying they can't feel kratom, their Tolerance is jacked... I think some ppl are trying to switch right over, from opioid to kratom, with no break. That's probably not going to work? Receptors may need a re-set back to zero?

Frustrating I know, but does take a few days of tapering... those days don't expect much "good effects", you're just treading water. :P Once the entire Agmatine Cycle is complete (A full week, 7 days, dropping gpd along with Agmatine at night) then it'll still take a few more days... IF you could stand feeling shitty for even 1 day clean ? you'd def feel kratom again one day later.

Your 3g x 4 = 12 gpd ? Goal should be cut that in half ? :geek: First cut one of those doses completely, never take kratom at night... Another thing, take a little more 1st dose of the day... A little less later in day. Make your morning dose on empty stomach, 4g and then later serving only 2g ?? You still have Mitragyna in your bloodstream hours later. Good Luck!
Thank you so much for the thorough breakdown!!! 🙏🙏🙏 Going to give this all a shot and report back!
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BallzDeep9 wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:11 pm
shornsilk wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:21 am ... I saw people mention how Agmatine can often mute the effects. Today was my first day off from it and the strains aren’t hitting at all.
Agree with CatfatherB , we're both reading your post & yes it can take a few days, to recover from a Agmatine taper cycle.. you took the Agmatine in the evening right? First place to "cut back" your doses is, evening. You don't need Kratom to sleep ? get some Melatonin and Valerian if necessary.. Sleep aids.
I’m now about 16 hours into my t-break. trying to figure out if its worth starting up with the agmatine again- I wasn’t taking it at night before. my goal is to go clean at least 24 hours, if not more. I might just try to stick with the sleep aids I’ve got (melatonin, valerian, even has some Gabapentin from a long time ago that I might try to help out with the nervy body tension before bed). think it’s worth forgoing more agmatine this time? I feel like opening that can of worms might result in a bigger commitment that I’m not quite ready for.

just hoping my taper so far and a stark break will be enough to meaningfully affect my tolerance .
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