Coronavirus discussion

[herbalhippie]

I love Dune too and I got chills when a friend posted that on Facebook.

[Greyfeather]

Thanks so much for this, HH. Allowing the FEAR to "pass through us." It is a very foreign concept to the Western Mind. It takes some serious practice too. I haven't mastered it by far, but I try. This practice also applies. to PAIN (well, at some levels).

Stay well, and Namaste.

[herbalhippie]

WHO just declared a pandemic.

[MetalMamaRocks]

WHO just declared a pandemic.

We have reservations at the Smoky Mountains next week but I'm thinking about cancelling. There are currently no cases in that area or ours, but things are moving so fast I'm scared.

[INSENSE3]

Thanks for the humor, herbalhippie!

I had to post it on my fb page. I’m not on there often, but everyone I know could use some OCD hand washing humor at this time

[herbalhippie]

Thanks for the humor, herbalhippie!

I had to post it on my fb page. I’m not on there often, but everyone I know could use some OCD hand washing humor at this time

I printed off a copy and put it in a page protector and taped it over the sink at work. So far nobody gets it but me.

[AppalachianHerbs]

Tom hanks has it apparently. Unless I've been pranked.

[MikeEdoessomething]

Nba season has been suspended!!!

Expect panic levels to go to extremes beyond extremes! I was telling my mother that if they start shutting down sporting events, then this was worse than the public was likely being told (for reasons not to cause panic I suspect)

I wasn't in panic mode before, now I'm shopping on Amazon

[ojo]

I really hate to ask this question and wanted to do it in discord but that's gone. so here goes... Is there any chance COVID-19 could be packaged in ordered/mailed Kratom (i.e. seller doesn't know they have it/doesn't use proper hygiene, etc.)? Are there any standard certifications or anything I can look at online for online sellers? Would hate to get it from that and now a little worried about ordering anything online, in stores, etc. What a crazy time we live in. And sorry if this is a stupid question, just curious if anyone has any solid answers. Much appreciated.

[herbalhippie]

I can't really answer your question but I can tell you I'm a LOT less worried about getting coronavirus from my Kratom then I am from getting it out in public from someone who's already sick with it.

[Marcussk]

I really hate to ask this question and wanted to do it in discord but that's gone. so here goes... Is there any chance COVID-19 could be packaged in ordered/mailed Kratom (i.e. seller doesn't know they have it/doesn't use proper hygiene, etc.)? Are there any standard certifications or anything I can look at online for online sellers? Would hate to get it from that and now a little worried about ordering anything online, in stores, etc. What a crazy time we live in. And sorry if this is a stupid question, just curious if anyone has any solid answers. Much appreciated.

It may be time to heat up some water and make tea. I think I read somewhere that temperature above 133°F can kill the virus. I dont know if that's true or not though.

[Laurie]

My apologies if this was already posted. Here’s the latest I’ve heard with regard to kratom safety. And everything is subject to change. But. I hate to say this. Now is a good time to use only cGMP compliant vendors as a safety precaution. Between the testing and the handling in sterile environments with air controls, contaminated product cannot get past these safety procedures (who knew we’d need the system so soon, right!? OMG

That said, once it’s bagged for shipping, the outside of the package can be contaminated from who knows who handles packages. So it’s recommended that bags be wiped thoroughly with cleaning wipes of your choice prior to cracking the bag open.

These are indeed weird times...

[Laurie]

My biggest local worry is about people being publicly discriminated and or beaten for coughing while out in the world. Some threats that effect are already coming to the surface where SomethingSacred and I live (same town - not together).

Kinda scares me as to how some humans will treat other humans!

Y’all seeing any of that yet?

[Marcussk]

Well before I found this forum I ordered from an AKA gmp compliant vendor, and it was very disappointing. It was The Golden Monk. No matter how little I take it made me nauseous, and I never got any good effects from the strains I got. So I dont know, maybe just order from vendors you can trust. There are quite a few good ones on this forum. I know I've been ordering now, trying to get a stash put up before it possibly gets bad.

[herbalhippie]

Tom hanks has it apparently. Unless I've been pranked.

Him and his wife and he is (or was) in isolation in a hospital in Australia. I just saw on FB earlier this evening that the nurses in the hospital rolled a Wilson basketball with a face drawn on it into his room.

[MetalMamaRocks]

Tom hanks has it apparently. Unless I've been pranked.

Him and his wife and he is (or was) in isolation in a hospital in Australia. I just saw on FB earlier this evening that the nurses in the hospital rolled a Wilson basketball with a face drawn on it into his room.

That's hilarious!!!

As far as kratom goes, I received some from TFH yesterday so I'm done ordering for a while. I'm more concerned about the packaging than the kratom itself.

[oohger]

Teacher of the Year Video. it will make your day (maybe a little at least). Stay safe peeps.

https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/206 ... -your-mind

[herbalhippie]

Tom hanks has it apparently. Unless I've been pranked.

Him and his wife and he is (or was) in isolation in a hospital in Australia. I just saw on FB earlier this evening that the nurses in the hospital rolled a Wilson basketball with a face drawn on it into his room.

That's hilarious!!!

As far as kratom goes, I received some from TFH yesterday so I'm done ordering for a while. I'm more concerned about the packaging than the kratom itself.

I know that packaging is something you need to think about whether it's something you buy in a store or something you get in the mail.

I'm trying not to think about it too much because if I do I'm going to go completely batshit crazy and then I don't know what. I just can't see myself on the porch with a bleach solution wiping everything down.

[INSENSE3]

I known right @herbalhippie.?! At what lengths will I go to survive? I’m not sure yet. I had a leukemia scare about 6 years ago and I had to think about what I would do to survive. I definitely called my boyfriend so we could have sex a lot. Can’t even do THAT with this thing because one of us might contaminate the other!

I’m not so sure I will be willing to get into civil war over it. I’m not married and I never reproduced (because of the mental illness and addictive blood line on both sides). The only thing I have to worry about is my Mom. We live together and she is definitely vulnerable, so I cannot take chances because of the effects my poor decisions might have on her. She’s more of a passionate FIGHTER at 77!

I agree with the other posts about not worrying so much about kratom and worry about personal space in public!

Some people here are making real threats of violence and I had to call in the cops to check on my friend who sent valid suicide threats yesterday. I really hope there is not civil violence in grocery stores!

[INSENSE3]

Yup. People are always advocating for kratom one minute and blaming it for every possible health issue the next minute.

Finally, I think we can say that Kratom Does Not Cause (illness of your choice) and the product itself is completely sanitary if you use GMP compliant vendors and wipe down packaging. I would feel comfortable with any vendor using a clean room while in process of compliance, but that’s just me.

Laurie

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[MikeEdoessomething]

https://www.linkedin.com/content-guest/ ... lain-m-d-/

This link has info that is... not good to say the least, and sobering, but knowledge is important. I saw this link on twitter. In bold is copied and pasted from the link

University of California, San Francisco BioHub Panel on COVID-19

March 10, 2020

Panelists
Joe DeRisi: UCSF’s top infectious disease researcher. Co-president of ChanZuckerberg BioHub (a JV involving UCSF / Berkeley / Stanford). Co-inventor of the chip used in SARS epidemic.
Emily Crawford: COVID task force director. Focused on diagnostics
Cristina Tato: Rapid Response Director. Immunologist.
Patrick Ayescue: Leading outbreak response and surveillance. Epidemiologist.
Chaz Langelier: UCSF Infectious Disease doc
What’s below are essentially direct quotes from the panelists. I bracketed the few things that are not quotes.


Not to further any panic, but thought this info on this link may be important. Here are some bullet points from the link (in bold)

Now we’re just trying to slow the spread, to help healthcare providers deal with the demand peak. In other words, the goal of containment is to "flatten the curve", to lower the peak of the surge of demand that will hit healthcare providers. And to buy time, in hopes a drug can be developed.

How many in the community already have the virus? No one knows.
We are moving from containment to care.

We in the US are currently where at where Italy was a week ago. We see nothing to say we will be substantially different.

40-70% of the US population will be infected over the next 12-18 months. After that level you can start to get herd immunity. Unlike flu this is entirely novel to humans, so there is no latent immunity in the global population.

[We used their numbers to work out a guesstimate of deaths— indicating about 1.5 million Americans may die. The panelists did not disagree with our estimate. This compares to seasonal flu’s average of 50K Americans per year. Assume 50% of US population, that’s 160M people infected. With 1% mortality rate that's 1.6M Americans die over the next 12-18 months.]

The fatality rate is in the range of 10X flu.

This assumes no drug is found effective and made available.

The death rate varies hugely by age. Over age 80 the mortality rate could be 10-15%. [See chart by age Signe found online, attached at bottom.]
Don’t know whether COVID-19 is seasonal but if is and subsides over the summer, it is likely to roar back in fall as the 1918 flu did

I can only tell you two things definitively. Definitively it’s going to get worse before it gets better. And we'll be dealing with this for the next year at least. Our lives are going to look different for the next year.

Make of it what you will. Be safe everyone

[MetalMamaRocks]

Oh jeez

[MikeEdoessomething]

Oh jeez

Yeah, I read this last time and, let's just say I almost puked! Figured it belonged in this thread.

This is not information on the news, at least not this direct or this blunt, this was just a panel of experts. I hope they are wrong but I think it was important to share. Knowledge is important, even if it is unsettling.

I'd say prepare as best you can. I know I bought a small generator that can serve as back up power supply. My dad wears something called the "Life Vest" after her had two stents put into his arteries on Monday, and it needs to be powered at all times. So I had to buy a backup just in case.

[IndelibleDotInk]

I definitely called my boyfriend so we could have sex a lot. Can’t even do THAT with this thing because one of us might contaminate the other!

LOL

[Greyfeather]

Well, I just happened to be at Costco the last day they had toilet paper and I saw the writing on the wall. I think I'm good.

I can't believe how lucky I have been in getting supplies. Scored two more bottles of aloe gel today after they said they probably wouldn't be getting any for a long time. Said the same thing today after this batch sells tho. Got a fifth of Everclear after calling all over town looking for 91% or 99% rubbing alcohol. One store had some 70% and that was it. I know handwashing is best, and I am washing the skin off my hands, but hand santizier is good in a pinch and I have been using it.

I think im going to start wearing disposable gloves when I pump gas or use an ATM. I don't care if I get weird looks!

I don't know about the ATM, but this is how I have filled the gas tank all my life (no one notices). First thing I do is grab a couple of those paper towels from the windshield - wiping station. I open my gas cap with it in my hand and pick up the gas nozzle/use it/put it back. Then I close the gas cap (paper towel still in hand), then I chuck it.

I do this so my hands won't smell like gasoline. YUCK!

[acejestyr15]

Well, I just happened to be at Costco the last day they had toilet paper and I saw the writing on the wall. I think I'm good.

I can't believe how lucky I have been in getting supplies. Scored two more bottles of aloe gel today after they said they probably wouldn't be getting any for a long time. Said the same thing today after this batch sells tho. Got a fifth of Everclear after calling all over town looking for 91% or 99% rubbing alcohol. One store had some 70% and that was it. I know handwashing is best, and I am washing the skin off my hands, but hand santizier is good in a pinch and I have been using it.

I think im going to start wearing disposable gloves when I pump gas or use an ATM. I don't care if I get weird looks!

I don't know about the ATM, but this is how I have filled the gas tank all my life (no one notices). First thing I do is grab a couple of those paper towels from the windshield - wiping station. I open my gas cap with it in my hand and pick up the gas nozzle/use it/put it back. Then I close the gas cap (paper towel still in hand), then I chuck it.

I do this so my hands won't smell like gasoline. YUCK!

You would be horrified by my life than hahaha! I am a mechanic as I know others here are as well... And we stank of gasoline, brake cleaner, carb cleaner, and or any other chemicals or filthy crap you can find!

Just goes to prove that it takes all kinds, right?! We all have our things....

[herbalhippie]

All Washington state public schools are closed until April 24th. And now all the libraries in my system are closed as well. I don't know about libraries on the west side.

Safeway is the only store in town with t.p. anymore, unless you get to the store right at opening because it goes fast. I've heard reports of Safeway RAISING THEIR PRICES on t.p. today. Price gouging.

[MetalMamaRocks]

Well, I cancelled my reservations at the Smokies. I'm so sad, we've been planning this trip for 6 months. Every year we meet my step daughter and her family for a week. She lives in Florida and this is the only time we get to see them.

There hasn't been any reported cases in the area, but there will be people from all over the country there, and I just feel uneasy about going.

[MetalMamaRocks]

Hippie, they just showed the Kirkland nursing home on CNN. Family members are talking to their loved ones through closed windows. So sad! They're also concerned because not all of the workers have been tested, even though there have been so many cases there. What a mess!

[herbalhippie]

Turned the scanner on about an hour ago and about 10 minutes ago heard a call from an incoming aid car to the hospital. 77 year old woman, short of breath, gave all her vital signs, is on high flow oxygen and ambulance crew is in full PPE which tells me she is a suspected case. We have had no confirmed cases in the immediate area. There was one death at the hospital but he was brought in from another town almost an hour SSE (our hospital is the regional big hospital).

[herbalhippie]

Joe Rogan podcast with Infectious Disease Expert Michael Osterholm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZFhjMQ ... YfGQiLASAo

[Greyfeather]

Well, I cancelled my reservations at the Smokies. I'm so sad, we've been planning this trip for 6 months. Every year we meet my step daughter and her family for a week. She lives in Florida and this is the only time we get to see them.

There hasn't been any reported cases in the area, but there will be people from all over the country there, and I just feel uneasy about going.

I'm very concerned about Florida right now: in particular those areas that host annual Spring Break events. As far as I can see, these areas are still eagerly welcoming students and making daily reservations/ putting together festivals, etc.

We all know that 18-21 year olds are not thinking about their mortality. Hell, I didn't worry when the swine flu ripped through (and I wasn't 18, lol). These kids are going to party it up, get VERY CLOSE, there will be tons of drinking (lowers immune system). Worse, they will be coming from EVERYWHERE.

Yes, they are young and strong, but that doesn't me they won't catch it and serve as vectors when they return home. I cannot think of a worse time for people to be congregating like this. The Zoomers want the Boomers to die off so badly. I guess this is their chance. Will Tampa become the Wuhan of the West?

[herbalhippie]

When the swine flu pandemic emerged in 2009, my daughter went to Seattle PAX (gamer's convention) someone(s) there were already sick with it and passed it to many, many gamers, including my daughter and her then-boyfriend. She was sooooo sick (and three hours away from me ). Luckily they had a friend who brought them food, juice and cat food and left it at their apartment door.

Because this outbreak happened at the gamer's con, they dubbed it H1Nerd1

Then my son got it in 2010 and I nursed him through it. That was my kid's first flu experience and both of them have made sure they got their flu shots ever since. I didn't get it, I must have had some immunity from a previous bout.

[herbalhippie]

If anyone is in the high risk group and would feel better wearing a mask of some kind, I just made a prototype out of Vanity Fair Entertain (3 ply instead of 2) napkins, 2 rubber bands and a stapler. It will serve the same purpose as a $40 price gouged N95 mask, meaning, it will be a barrier between your fingers and your face. Something to remind you to not pick your noise or pop a mint into your mouth without washing your hands first.

I got the idea from a comment in a post at the medical sub on Reddit. Must be a good quality napkin, not facial tissue and not paper towels.

I went to the store this morning hoping to see but expecting not to see Vanity Fair napkins. They were the ONLY kind that were left, all the less expensive ones were gone.

I told my daughter this morning that a lot of people I know think I'm worrying unnecessarily, a lot of people I know aren't 63 and asthmatic.

[Pete2000]

I'm very concerned about Florida right now: in particular those areas that host annual Spring Break events. As far as I can see, these areas are still eagerly welcoming students and making daily reservations/ putting together festivals, etc.

Living in south Florida I was concerned about that also, but it looks like local authorities are stepping up.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/us/v ... orida.html

[herbalhippie]

Just got back from Costco and omg was it ever picked over.

You can tell that it's the end of the world when there is ZERO Spam to be had. I didn't go for Spam, I went for canned salmon and blueberry muffins. And panko breaded chicken cutlets which were sold out.

Paper products area was completely empty from one end to the other.

[MikeEdoessomething]

Yes, the supply of goods has been disrupted so quickly in the past 72 hours. And, looking at Italy and listening to experts, this will likely get worse over the next week-to-month, but hopefully the predictions are wrong. I was at publix getting more supplies a few hours ago. They are beginning to run low. Here's what worries me: I spoke with a manager briefly about re-stocking and distribution being disrupted, and he told me, (quote) "We are getting deliveries but we have no idea what will be on the trucks and what supplies will be stocked. But we are expected to have some problems stocking many items." (end quote). Amazon is out of many items. Hollywood has basically shut down productions of shows/movies. This is something straight out of a movie and which nobody has lived through. What is the saying, keep the masses entertained and fed, and you can keep order. Something like that. Here in America, take away people's entertainment and who knows what will happen. And if there are food and medical shortages, I fear things will spiral out of control. It was just reported that 10 members of the military have the virus though they did not say where they are located. I keep telling people: pay attention and start taking this seriously.

I am, as of this moment, basically out of a job. I am a server at The Cheesecake Factory, and my state is starting to enforce a rule of banning gatherings of 100 people or more. At work today, we were told that it is highly likely the store will close. And if it is open, it will be very limited staff (for context, there are over 100 staff members alone on a Friday Night shift). We have heard that if you can not pay your electric bill or water bill that they WILL NOT BE SHUT OFF! This is what we have been told here in Raleigh NC, but is that for sure going to be the case? I have some space on my credit cards, but if I miss work (which is likely for at a min a week-2 weeks) should I pay these bills or hope they do not cut my house off of electricity/water? These are questions I am asking and which I think others should be asking. Anyone have advice? I'm 33 with two older parents most at risk.

I also take care of my parents. My father had heart surgery (2 stents put in) on Monday. He needs certain medications as does my mother. I am having trouble getting one of his medications already. The pharmacy is so overwhelmed and delays are already occurring. I don't think people are looking at many angels of how disruptive this is going to be. A lot of medications come from China/India, so the question is will there be supply shortage of medications? People could very well die from lack of basic medications, and this could be a problem starting very soon. People at work are saying I am being paranoid, but I am literally having trouble getting medication for my father who had heart surgery on Monday! Of course I am worried. Luckily, my mother spoke to the Hospital today, and they said they will give us the medication refill if the pharmacy is still unable to fill his refill. How many other people are in this situation or will be?

[BallzDeep9]

I hate to say this. Now is a good time to use only cGMP compliant vendors as a safety precaution. Between the testing and the handling in sterile environments with air controls, ...

... the product itself is completely sanitary if you use GMP compliant vendors and wipe down packaging. I would feel comfortable with any vendor using a clean room while in process of compliance, but that’s just me.

Laurie / INSENSE3

NO. NO need for cGMP compliant vendors, for kratom, kava, ginseng, ashwagandha, or other herbal products.. The vast majority of vendors for herbs/ botanicals sold in the USA, are not fully GMP.. No need to buy kratom from Retail rip-off vendors who "claim" to be cGMP

Really concerned? Then very simple: Steep your raw, bulk, all natural kratom powder in hot water (180+ degrees) for a few minutes. Problem solved. Sure wipe down packages. But your suggestion would BAN every single popular vendor, being discussed on this Forum!! Yes the GMP thing is pushed on Facebook... and maybe ILK forum? But not here. Totally not necessary

Red Bubble Tea, IS the preferred way to consume kratom.. especially now!

[BallzDeep9]

Yes, the supply of goods has been disrupted so quickly in the past 72 hours ... who knows what will happen. And if there are food and medical shortages, I fear things will spiral out of control ... pay attention and start taking this seriously.

Breaking News: Publix stores closing, link below.. People are going nuts. Coronavirus does NOT affect the food supply. No need to freak out and buy 2 years worth of hot-dogs. Truck drivers still wanna work and, roads will be clear, trucks will move. Driving is a safe job, no crowds of people in your truck! https://heavy.com/news/2020/03/publix-s ... ronavirus/

Y'know, people are scared and, people are dumb.. they elected this Clown as President. In 2018, he fired the CDC budget - then Republicans cut funding for the Pandemic Response group which was set-up by Obama. So... USA is running behind. We "should have" Test Kits by now !!.. Its an Election year. But - THIS thing will run its course - Maybe 2 months? In China they are already recovering... We will get through this! I DO think it's state by state.. here the state is buying motels for use as Emergency Quarantine rooms.. In case theres a shortage of hospital beds.

Hey I'm gonna stay Self Quarantined - as much as possible. Have you seen Pluto TV? It's FREE, 200 channels of movies and TV re-runs! Man I got enough kratom, and enough cool old movies.. to last 2 months and then, there's always YouTube! Serious! Be Safe and use common sense. Keep positive. Stores will have, Drive Up Pharmacy open at the very least.

[MikeEdoessomething]

Yes, the supply of goods has been disrupted so quickly in the past 72 hours ... who knows what will happen. And if there are food and medical shortages, I fear things will spiral out of control ... pay attention and start taking this seriously.

Breaking News: Publix stores closing, link below.. People are going nuts. Coronavirus does NOT affect the food supply. No need to freak out and buy 2 years worth of hot-dogs. Truck drivers still wanna work and, roads will be clear, trucks will move. Driving is a safe job, no crowds of people in your truck! https://heavy.com/news/2020/03/publix-s ... ronavirus/

Y'know, people are scared and, people are dumb.. they elected this Clown as President. In 2018, he fired the CDC budget - then Republicans cut funding for the Pandemic Response group which was set-up by Obama. So... USA is running behind. We "should have" Test Kits by now !!.. Its an Election year. But - THIS thing will run its course - Maybe 2 months? In China they are already recovering... We will get through this! I DO think it's state by state.. here the state is buying motels for use as Emergency Quarantine rooms.. In case theres a shortage of hospital beds.

Hey I'm gonna stay Self Quarantined - as much as possible. Have you seen Pluto TV? It's FREE, 200 channels of movies and TV re-runs! Man I got enough kratom, and enough cool old movies.. to last 2 months and then, there's always YouTube! Serious! Be Safe and use common sense. Keep positive. Stores will have, Drive Up Pharmacy open at the very least.

No offense, but did you read the rest of my post? My father had two stents put into place on Monday. I am having trouble getting medicine he needs, right now! The food supply can, and likely will, be disrupted. As will medicine supply. I hope I am wrong but I am currently dealing with this myself, trying to get medication for my 67 year father who is most at risk for this virus. I literally spoke with a manager at the Publix I was at night and he absolutely believes there will be an issue with some food supply. To dismiss the potential that there "may" be a supply disruption is an example of the stupidity that got Trump elected (people are stupid as you pointed out). My brother has been in voluntary isolation for over 2 weeks now, and he works for the corporate office for a very large gym chain and he does not know when he will be back at work. This is absolutely impacting my life right now. I hope it does not do the same to you.

I did not say anything about buying two years worth of hot dogs. I did suggest people prepare themselves, follow advice of experts. Here, take a read of this and get back to me with your thoughts https://www.linkedin.com/content-guest/ ... hlain-m-d- where there is this quote, "We have 160,000 ventilators in the country. 1,000,000 coronavirus victims will need ventilators. Half of the people on ventilators die in the first week, survivors stay on the vent for about 4 weeks. We don’t have enough ventilators." Is this true about how many ventilators we have or how many people will need them? I do not know, but Italy is dealing with this very issue of lack of ventilators which is crippling their ability to respond to the virus.

You said "people are dumb.. they elected this Clown as President." Very true, and the Democrats completely rigged/meddled/interfered in the 2016 DNC primary to ensure Clinton was the nominee and not Sanders. The democrats played a role in "electing this clown" as President. The fact that countries such as Italy, America and other countries don't have the medical tools to handle such a pandemic is NOT the result of Trump or any one election. If Obama was President right now, or Clinton (or any Democrat), that does not change the lack of ventilators this country may have or need. The response most certainly would have been different but that is just a guess and does not address the fact America is not well prepared for a crisis of this nature.

And honestly this does not need to become a political issue. I am an Independent and a huge Sanders fan (and Tulsi Gabbard as well). To me, both parties are corrupt (I challenge you to say the Democrats are not corrupt so I can produce the evidence they rigged the 2016 primary to ensure Clinton was the nominee which helped lead to the election of Trump). Saying "vote blue no matter who" is blind sheep mentality which is not going to solve this problem nor would it had stopped this virus (you did not say this nor am I claiming you are a sheep). Of course I can say Democrats are less corrupt, and while I agree that is true, corruption is corruption. We have a political system where both parties favor special interests groups/donors/corporations instead of people. I can make a strong case that the Democrats rigging their own 2016 election was a major factor that put Trump in office. Trump is a symptom of the American political problem (voting for the lesser of two evils is how you get Trump- how about voting for the best candidate?). Trump is not the root of the disease. Our health care system and the gross inequality in the country was a problem under Obama as well, and Bush and Clinton before him. Trump has handled this situation extremely poorly IMO, put let's not play a blame game on political parties. Our entire political system is broken and corrupt (Citizen United needs to be overturned or else it will stay this way).

Obama was President when people in Flint, Michigan were being poisoned by there water supply, and yet more than 4 years later Flint residents still have issues with contaminated water. Did Obama handle that crises very good? Is the blame for the fact Flint is still having this problem Obama's fault entirely? I'd say no but I also don't think he did a very good job in that crisis, which is still on-going. The US has been running behind on healthcare since long before Obama- Bernie Sanders main issue he addresses is the terrible healthcare system in America for the past several decades.

In a time like this we need to come together, not point fingers. So I'll ask your advice since I am 33 and take care of my parents and you have, and I am being sincere, very good knowledge on many supplements and other health relating issues: What am I to due when the medication my father needs is not available? I am, essential, out of work right now as I am a Server and my store is essential all but shutdown. What would you do?