anyone else having issues with shipping being super slow in Indo >> baby lobsters and extract a month ago ..my stuff has still not moved !! UGHH 
UPDATe 4 months I waited for this box only to have it seized by FDA and my indo won't replace at his cost per guarantee. Damn! 
I am an individual buyer and I supply 3 friends ..I have bought stateside but I started buying 10 kilos at a time when the shipping issues happen ...so my box finally moved ..this last time was extract and baby lobster! supposedly! I also like small box Indo suppliers.Kratomdistro wrote:Are you an individual buyer or a business buyer? With how cheap kratom is stateside right now, I really don't think there is any reason to be buying from Indo and waiting a month...
Me too. Erin, how do you see the current situation with Pos Indonesia, postal shipping?erinarthur wrote: I also like small box Indo suppliers.
Or other carriers? Most of my Indo orders were a couple years ago and we know it's changed... Are yours going through Pekrindo? Re routed? Some of the more professional Indo's route through Singapore or even China (which takes much longer)... 
................... My guy has been using UPS that last couple of shipments ..and when it does move it moves pretty fast and I sweat Louisville every time it goes through there. It's my understanding that POS stopped shipping a while back they may do a couple of kilos but that's not cost-effective for the indos . My friend and I placed a cargo order my part is just 10 hers is larger ..so far we still have no tracking .. it been about a week. I honestly think it depends on the shipping agent also.BallzDeep9 wrote:Me too. Erin, how do you see the current situation with Pos Indonesia, postal shipping?erinarthur wrote: I also like small box Indo suppliers.
I did have one seized by FDA. That's been over 1+ years ago. Smaller supplier he labeled it Green Tea.
Update as of October 2020 I have had a 20-kilo box seized by UPS/FDA ..so I will not use anyone that ships through UPS. Also sadly my wonderful Indo gUy Roy Ke will not replace my seized box for free . Damn!! : 
I have heard that since they changed the law on how to label the boxes now they are backed up with Indo customs checking proper labeling .So the indos tell me the whole process is backed up and the boxes sit in a queue for a bit. dunno if this is true or not. My indo friend told me after 2 months he got loud with his agent and it moved the next day. your welcome ..the shipping issues are very important to all.INSENSE3 wrote:Ditto everything BallzDeep9 said.
I heard an unsubstantiated rumor this week about limiting shipments going out via the shipping methods BallzDeep9 mentioned, to 3 kilos. I’ve not been able to find anything more on that, yet. Everything else is going by tons on ships. Some smaller vendors are joining forces with regard to getting orders large enough COMBINED with other vendors (from different sources near one another) to meet shipping export sizes without any bickering or comparing or hiding “secrets”. Teamwork in the community helps us win so many challenges. Shipping together is healthy for the industry as nobody compromises their product uniqueness or their fees, etc. Win/win.
Speaking of teamwork, but off topic entirely, I’m hoping the vendors who have “clean rooms” can rent out their rooms to those who cannot build their own. In a perfect world, lol.
Back to topic, please post again if anyone gets updated information on specs for shipping out of Indo.
I definitely agree with BallzDeep9 on this sourcing not being necessary when there is so much very good quality product at very good, fair prices in our country already. Lots of these stateside vendors chip in for long term kratom legality and support for ALL VENDORS in the US. None of the brokers in Indo get proper handling, meet any cleanliness standards and they do not contribute to any future in the business. Some ALSO make medical claims on shiny pamphlets to pass around to make sales and consequently further degrade the fight to keep it legal/like collateral damage. Even Indonesia is not convinced in the long term farming just yet. One health minister is on board. Only one.
Hey @Erinarthur, thanks for posting your concerns on this and please check back if you learn more? I will, too! Great forum topic and hope you get your order soon!
Laurie
INSENSE3
GrannyJ62 wrote:Yeah I heard its illegal to ship extract from indo its legal here but not there and some of the shipments have be stopped because of extract but not sure how true that is its just a rumor it heard,dies anyone know if its true??
I wish...INSENSE3 wrote: Everything else is going by tons on ships. Some smaller vendors are joining forces with regard to getting orders large enough COMBINED with other vendors (from different sources near one another) to meet shipping export sizes without any bickering or comparing or hiding “secrets”. Teamwork in the community helps us win so many challenges. Shipping together is healthy for the industry as nobody compromises their product uniqueness or their fees, etc. Win/Win.
Some kind of cooperative "Co-Op" for small batch vendors, nice idea but so many questions and hurdles. Competition IS the status quo between vendors. Trade Secrets as you suggest.. everyone knows, it's basically the same stuff from the same Borneo - But, vendors, middle men, sell this product, based on the myth that "their Leaf" is totally different? Then, also, coordination would need to happen between small Indo suppliers, who also compete with each other? 
who care less about Quality - they have negotiated super Low prices, for dirt cheap Bulk Blue Tarp product.. That's what is being shipped by Container & Cargo. A Wholesaler now claims to be supplying half the AKA Approved GMP vendors, with this Container crap which gets processed by Drug Labs in Florida & Texas to make extracts.. but also sold in Retail channels, and even online under fake "strain" names at huge inflated prices. 
and Indonesia problems... is dragging down the whole business. What is the Goal? Higher quality, Wild harvested, Indoor dried and cured, carefully processed and blended - THAT costs money!! But the Big Kratom USA buyers have told Indo, that demand is exactly the opposite - Poor quality, Plantation, Tarp dried, Bulk processed by the Ton. 
Wild crafted. Farm to table. Indoor dried and cured. This true Premium kratom should be paid for, (Costs more $ to produce!) with Indo's being $ rewarded $ for those who are willing to invest their time & labor. 