for those of you who have used agmatine to taper...

[Charzilla138]

what did you do?

So basically lately my doses having really been doing much. I usually take 6 grams 3 times a day. I searched on this site and others and have seen that agmatine can help taper. I have also seen people say they used agmatine for a couple weeks to lower dose, then stop agmatine and the magic came back. I was wondering for those who have done this, how did you do it exactly. I am planning on starting tomorrow just was to get some ideas on what works.

thank you!

[Vipercuda69]

what did you do?

So basically lately my doses having really been doing much. I usually take 6 grams 3 times a day. I searched on this site and others and have seen that agmatine can help taper. I have also seen people say they used agmatine for a couple weeks to lower dose, then stop agmatine and the magic came back. I was wondering for those who have done this, how did you do it exactly. I am planning on starting tomorrow just was to get some ideas on what works.

thank you!

I use Agmatine, Quercetin and L-Tyrosine to taper. ALCAR and NAC can be helpful too. I take all of these with my first dose for the day, about 30 mins prior to my kratom. The Agmatine I will use twice a day. Roughly 0.5-0.75 grams twice a day 30 minutes before kratom. I use a scale and taper my kratom by 0.5 grams until I’m down to about 1-1.5 grams. I usually take 6 grams now. When the kratom isn’t seeming to work it’s magic, I’ll begin with the supplements I’ve listed and take 5.5 grams of kratom. The next day 5 grams. The next days 4.5 grams. Once I’m down to 1-1.5 grams I’ll discontinue the kratom completely for 3 days and then only use the supplements listed for those 3 days. So it’s usually about a 9 day taper then 3 days with no kratom at all. When I resume kratom I’ll go back to 3 grams per dose. Over a period of maybe 3 months my kratom dose will creep up to 3.5 grams, then 4 grams, etc. Once I get to 6 grams and it stops working, I’ll do the same taper schedule again. This seems to work for me. The other supplements can help offset some of the aches and pains and malaise that you may experience from tapering and discontinuing kratom. I’ve heard stories of a small percentage of people that will experience moderate withdrawal for 2-3 days and the supplements I listed do help offset that. I generally don’t experience anything worse than shaky hands, runny nose and the return of some of the aches and pains that I use the kratom to remedy. A little bit of restless legs and trouble sleeping on occasion too. But all withdrawal symptoms are very mild to nonexistent for me.

[DennisHopper]

Very informative, thanks for this. Just curious where you guys get your supplements. I was also wondering about any experience with Stem and Vein and Hirsuta to reduce tolerance and to taper.

[Vipercuda69]

Very informative, thanks for this. Just curious where you guys get your supplements. I was also wondering about any experience with Stem and Vein and Hirsuta to reduce tolerance and to taper.

Stem and Vein has Mitra and possibly 7HM. It can lighten the color of the strain and is often in strains that are marketed as White. Stein and Vein(bones) can be be stimulating too. Hirsuta is much better for tolerance breaks in my opinion because it doesn’t have Mitra. Well... it’s not supposed to. I sometimes replace Hirsuta and Kratom gram for gram. Instead of 5 grams Kratom, I’d measure out 4 grams kratom and 1 gram Hirsuta. Then taper to 3 grams kratom and 2 grams Hirsuta. I’ll try to get down to 1 gram kratom and 2 grams Hirsuta for maybe a week. That resets my tolerance pretty well. Not completely but at least half.