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GOOD NEWS EVERYONE!

Kratom is ineffective and shows little promise as a substitute for opioids, AND its unsafe to boot! Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. If you need ME to dispose of all of your terrible and useless vintage leaf because you don't have the heart, PM me. I'm here to help. Don't shoot the messenger.

https://archive.is/TYM0x

"Depending on what is in the plant and the health of the user, taking kratom may be very dangerous." IN THE PLANT? WHAAAAA?

Totally NOT a bunch of pseudoscience bullshit!

0-50 people killed by a 100 story drop. (Small print) 50 out of 50 killed by the sudden stop. Yeah, that kind of article... :lol:
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Apparently, Mayo Clinic.is respected in the medical community? What do the trashy, second-rate bargain clinics have to say?

"In the meantime, your safest option is to work with your doctor to find other treatment options."
Im sorry, but you have lung cancer. Here are some aspirin. Good luck! That'll be six thousand dollars, please..
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All the recent news about what big orgs say about kratom has been a huge bummer, to say the least. If there really was something dangerous about kratom, I'd want to know, and I'd want to know SPECIFICALLY what it was, not just "oh hmmm maybe, we're not sure so we'll say it's bad anyway without giving a reason why" - god forbid a health organization actually helps people by giving us accurate information. How much money do these companies have, and nobody can do a goddamn study before outright condemning the plant altogether?

It just gets more and more obvious that their interests lie in scaring people away from it rather than actually learning anything about it first. It'll be a miracle if we see any real, sincere investigation into kratom's various applications. It's so much easier to pretend it's evil and no one should ever try it. smh

ALSO! What IS a good alternative to opioids, if not kratom? The vast majority of chronic pain patients I've spoken to - and I include myself in that - are either 1) not offered any sort of pain med at all, 2) told to take tylenol no matter how debilitating said pain is, or 3) giving them a small amount of pain meds but also treating them like criminals by ordering them in for 'random' pill counts and ordering pee tests while a staff member stands in the bathroom and watches them pee. So what exactly are we supposed to do?

omg I'm sorry for the tangent I'm just so mad that "big names" in the healthcare/pharm/medical industry COULD be doing something to help us, even just earnestly looking into kratom to see what it can and can't do. But nope. Why not actually speak to the people who take kratom for pain and go from there? Or the people for whom kratom has helped to stop their opioid addiction, recreational or otherwise? That would make too much sense, apparently...
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ALSO! What IS a good alternative to opioids,

I read that crying a lot releases endorphins. Cheese, maybe?

SERIOUSLY : If any of my pain patient buddies here runs out or they suddenly make it illegal in your state, PM me, I have some recently opened Matcha tea that's GREAT for pain i'll send you. ;)

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I hope you don't mind but I changed the link to an archive link as to not give them clicks. Article is a year old, but yeah, what a joke.

Kratom has a number of known side effects, including: Weight loss
This is bad?
The effects of kratom become stronger as the quantity taken increases.
Wrong.
it is possible to overdose on kratom.
This is like saying you can OD on water. It's possible, but come on. Any substance can be OD'd on. Tylenol can be OD'd on VERY easily but you don't see the medical community slamming that, and it's available otc. Also, would love to know where they got this "fact" from since there's not a single case of anyone ODing on kratom alone - they always have hard drugs in their system too.
Poison control centers in the United States received about 1,800 reports involving use of kratom from 2011 through 2017, including reports of death.
How many per year for kids drinking cleaning products? Tylenol? Alcohol? Hard drugs?

1800 reports over 6 years is a literal drop in the ocean. According to the Poison Control Center official stats there were over 138,000 calls for otc pain relievers, 90,000 calls for anti-depressants, 105,000 calls for sedatives, 57,000 calls for alcohol, 42,000 calls for antihistamines, and 66,000 calls for cleaning products in 2019 alone. The list goes on, of course. But 1800 over 6 years is enough to start ringing alarm bells? Give me a break.


I could go through this whole article and tear it apart. It's not well researched, which is shocking considering it's coming from the Mayo Clinic. It's old though.
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Do whatever you'd like e. I just happened upon this when I was looking up legality in Canada. Thought it was worth mentioning as the Mayo Clinic is supposed to be a GOOD source of information AS I UNDERSTAND IT, but here they out themselves as...medical hacks. This article is just piss poor in every regard..
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A little perspective FOR the hacks at the Mayo Clinic:

8 common medicines that could kill you
1. Advil

Ibuprofen is the first of the NSAID’s found on our list. While recommended by doctors for treating headaches, muscle aches, back aches, menstrual pain, minor arthritis and other joint pain, make sure you’re following the dosage directions.

Ibuprofen overdosing can lead to symptoms like shallow breathing, fainting, nausea and vomiting, stomach ache, drowsiness, bloody stools, liver damage and coma. There’s also a high risk of overdosing unknowingly by taking Advil when you’ve already taken another medicine (like cold medicine that has ibuprofen as an ingredient).
2. Aleve

Also in the NSAID category, Naproxen is the key ingredient found in Aleve. While two a day will keep you pain-free all day long, excessive use can lead to heart damage.

Naproxen works more slowly than ibuprofen but, as advertised, can offer up to 12 hours of relief with one dose. If you are taking them regularly, talk to your healthcare provider to find out what other meds to avoid. The Aleve website also cautions to not take Aleve for 10 consecutive days.

Symptoms of a Naproxen overdose include bleeding under the skin, muscle tremors, lethargy, restlessness, or confusion and other sever symptoms.
3. Aspercreme

Lidocaine is the key ingredient that provides local topical pain relief. While it’s difficult to overdose on a topical cream, excessive (or improper) usecan causeirregular heartbeats, breathing difficulty, seizures, and even coma.

Other commonly used brand name(s) with lidocaine include Anestacon, Burnamycin, Lida Mantle, Lidoderm, Solarcaine Cool Aloe, Solarcaine First Aid Lidocaine Spray, Topicaine, and Xylocaine.
4. Aspirin

Even if an aspirin a day “keeps the doctor away,” you need to make sure you’re not overdosing accidentally.

Aspirin poisoning can start with tinnitus (ringing in your ears), and impaired hearing then moves on to hyperventilation, vomiting, dehydration, fever, double vision, feelings of faintness, coma and death.
5. Cough Syrup

Dextromethorphan is the main ingredient in most cough medicines. Extreme doses can induce a hallucinogenic state, making it an inexpensive and easily obtainable way for teenagers to get high (and overdose).

Other symptoms of overdosing are blurred vision, confusion, dizziness, drowsiness, severe nausea and vomiting, unsteadiness, reduces breathing rate, severe excitement or nervousness.
6. Epsom Salts

These salts make for a soothing bath to soak sore and aching muscles, but also can be used as an FDA-approved laxative (thanks to the magnesium sulfate).

But, be aware. High doses will cause ruptures to the intestinal walls that can lead to infection. The salts may also combine dangerously with other things you’ve consumed, including coffee.

Overdose symptoms can also include extreme drowsiness, fainting, flushed skin, feeling overheated, nausea or vomiting.

If you think Epsom Salt may be something you’d like to try, check with your doctor to see if anything else you are taking may cause an adverse effect.
7. Midol

Acetaminophen, your once-a-month best friend, has the same active ingredient found in Tylenol. Like Aspirin, this one can also lead to severe side effects and even death if combined with other doses or if taken too much (or too often).
8. Tylenol

This favorite OTC pain and fever reducer contains the active ingredient Acetaminophen, which is found in many other cold and flu OTC formulas ... making it easily to accidentally overdose.

For instance, if you take Tylenol for a headache, then a multi-symptom cold medicine for your other issues, you’ll be well past the maximum dosage. Continue this for an extended period and you could end up with more pain, or even death.

The initial symptoms of an acetaminophen overdose include loss of appetite, nausea, and vomiting, stomach aches, confusion, weakness, and sweating. Continued symptoms include dark urine, yellowing of your skin and yellowing of the whites of your eyes.


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...and these are readily available over the counter and doesn't even include a vast list of prescription drugs that can kill you.
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Why is a website dedicated to researching sandwich condiments making any sort of claims on kratom?
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Playerpiano72 wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 10:09 pm Why is a website dedicated to researching sandwich condiments making any sort of claims on kratom?
Glad this one's on our side, amirite gang? :lol:
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mivanqua wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 11:20 pm
Playerpiano72 wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 10:09 pm Why is a website dedicated to researching sandwich condiments making any sort of claims on kratom?
Glad this one's on our side, amirite gang? :lol:
:D

I've been telling my kid for a couple months that refusing mayonnaise on his sandwiches is a sign of fascist tendencies.
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DittonW wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 11:26 pm
mivanqua wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 11:20 pm
Playerpiano72 wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 10:09 pm Why is a website dedicated to researching sandwich condiments making any sort of claims on kratom?
Glad this one's on our side, amirite gang? :lol:
:D

I've been telling my kid for a couple months that refusing mayonnaise on his sandwiches is a sign of fascist tendencies.
For me, it's a sign of my laziness and not wanting to dirty a knife
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DittonW wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 11:26 pm
mivanqua wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 11:20 pm
Playerpiano72 wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 10:09 pm Why is a website dedicated to researching sandwich condiments making any sort of claims on kratom?
Glad this one's on our side, amirite gang? :lol:
:D

I've been telling my kid for a couple months that refusing mayonnaise on his sandwiches is a sign of fascist tendencies.

I've always wondered about the people I know who won't eat anything but Miracle Whip. Someone needs to do a study about this.
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The Article looked like some new person got hired by FDA/Pharma and maybe they were very young, thats why so many false in it, anything to make kratom look bad. Everyone knows everything pharma has pretty much thousand times worse then kratom on side effects part. So why not just ban yourselfs. Its getting ridiculous and its not even funny any more. :roll:
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herbalhippie wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 11:45 pm
DittonW wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 11:26 pm
mivanqua wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 11:20 pm

Glad this one's on our side, amirite gang? :lol:
:D

I've been telling my kid for a couple months that refusing mayonnaise on his sandwiches is a sign of fascist tendencies.

I've always wondered about the people I know who won't eat anything but Miracle Whip. Someone needs to do a study about this.
How about...the Mayo Clinic? They'd probably try to say that Miracle Whip is ineffective and dangerous and shows little promise as a substitute for mayo. This study brought to you by Kraft.
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Miracle Whip saved my life, 5 years clean off mayonnaise. If I can do it, anyone can.
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Playerpiano72 wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 11:39 pm
DittonW wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 11:26 pm
mivanqua wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 11:20 pm

Glad this one's on our side, amirite gang? :lol:
:D

I've been telling my kid for a couple months that refusing mayonnaise on his sandwiches is a sign of fascist tendencies.
For me, it's a sign of my laziness and not wanting to dirty a knife
Best Foods comes in squeeze bottles now (known east of the Rockies as Hellman's), no knife needed.
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I researched kratom for about 6 months before I bought any. I was on prescribed dilaudid 4 x a day. I hated it so I told my doctor "no more." But I needed something for my back pain or else I had to file for disability. The first dose was "Wow!"

I know the scientific research on kratom is contradictory to what the Mayo Clinic stated. What a bunch of assholes. I used to think those concerned about Big Pharma were idiots. Now I know they were/are right.
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