Ways to take Kratom

[ColorMeIntrigued]

So I am fairly new to the community and just started using Kratom. I just got my order from Mitraman I ordered his super green and red horn. Due to being a former opiate user, I have always enjoyed the mellow energized feeling. I'm taking my Kratom in lemonade about three teaspoons twice a day. The super green seems to give me a small boost for about an hour and then a headache which isn’t desirable and the red horn alone is relaxing me but not giving me energy. How are you folks taking your Kratom?…and if you have any recommendations of strains/vendors that might give me the desired effect I would appreciate it. Any suggestions are welcome due to me really not knowing anything about anything.

[Kelleytoons]

As a VERY general rule the white strains provide energy, the reds provide relaxation, and the greens are somewhere in-between.

You should read reviews here to see what strains folks like and experiment - until you've tried at least a dozen (from different vendors) you won't really know what hits you and what doesn't.

In terms of taking it if you can handle how you are doing it (inside of lemonade) you are fine - can't hit any better than that. But you can (and should) experiment with dosages. For me nothing less than 5 grams works (and you need a scale to measure that, because you can't rely upon volume measures - Amazon sells small digital scales for around $15). But YMMV and will - and it can even vary by strain. For sure start small, no more than 3 grams (and some folks say less is more - for me, more is more, and no strain works for me under 5 grams and some need 7 or 8).

Keep us posted and keep asking questions here - LOTS of knowledgeable people (not me).

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this may be a helpful way to remember...I don't know who made it up but it's brilliant.

whites to get right, reds before bed, and greens in between.

[ColorMeIntrigued]

As a VERY general rule the white strains provide energy, the reds provide relaxation, and the greens are somewhere in-between.

You should read reviews here to see what strains folks like and experiment - until you've tried at least a dozen (from different vendors) you won't really know what hits you and what doesn't.

In terms of taking it if you can handle how you are doing it (inside of lemonade) you are fine - can't hit any better than that. But you can (and should) experiment with dosages. For me nothing less than 5 grams works (and you need a scale to measure that, because you can't rely upon volume measures - Amazon sells small digital scales for around $15). But YMMV and will - and it can even vary by strain. For sure start small, no more than 3 grams (and some folks say less is more - for me, more is more, and no strain works for me under 5 grams and some need 7 or 8).

Keep us posted and keep asking questions here - LOTS of knowledgeable people (not me).

If you don’t mind me asking since you seem pretty knowledgeable, what do you usually take during the day dose/strain, is it usually a green/white/red. I know it’s probably different for everyone but just trying to get an idea. Hoping to eventually get on the trading post so I can try out different vendors and strains that others are liking as well.

[Kelleytoons]

Not sure how knowledgeable I am but I'm certainly verbose <g>.

For me, personally, whites hit the best but they are too strong for anything other than daytime (and early in the day at that). Because I take Kratom to allow this very old body to move, I take a white prior to playing tennis (about three-four times a week). I also rotate strains - some folks say to do this to avoid having any particular strain "burn out" for you and I don't want to take that chance, so I have a three week rotation (most folks who believe this theory say you should never take the same strain more than once every two-three days).

And then in the evening of tennis I take a yellow or red - reds don't hit me very strong but they have a calming/sedative effect so I still try them. Or sometimes a green - but never a white or I wouldn't be able to sleep. Again, ONLY on the days I play tennis (one of the other "wisdoms" about taking Kratom is your body needs a break to reset or at least not build up a tolerance. Opinions vary on length but taking two or three days off each week seems to be ideal so I do this on days I don't play).

And dose IS very, very, very individual - and I have a fairly high tolerance for opioid effects, having taken them for so long. For me it needs to be around 6-7 grams per dose (reds always higher - sometimes as much as 8 grams of red). But - this varies per strain even for me. The other day I took a green from Liza's at 5 grams and it almost completely knocked me out (actually it was her Happy-go-lucky mix so it was probably green/white and even a bit of red thrown in - who really knows?). With any new strain start small although the Good Thing (?) about Kratom is an overdose generally means you'll just throw it up (no other effects - for me I never vomit but I have gotten pretty sick and had to take the rest of the day off). 3 grams is usually recommended as the high starting end unless, like me, you know you need a lot more.

[Loveandpeace]

Not sure how knowledgeable I am but I'm certainly verbose <g>.

For me, personally, whites hit the best but they are too strong for anything other than daytime (and early in the day at that). Because I take Kratom to allow this very old body to move, I take a white prior to playing tennis (about three-four times a week). I also rotate strains - some folks say to do this to avoid having any particular strain "burn out" for you and I don't want to take that chance, so I have a three week rotation (most folks who believe this theory say you should never take the same strain more than once every two-three days).

And then in the evening of tennis I take a yellow or red - reds don't hit me very strong but they have a calming/sedative effect so I still try them. Or sometimes a green - but never a white or I wouldn't be able to sleep. Again, ONLY on the days I play tennis (one of the other "wisdoms" about taking Kratom is your body needs a break to reset or at least not build up a tolerance. Opinions vary on length but taking two or three days off each week seems to be ideal so I do this on days I don't play).

And dose IS very, very, very individual - and I have a fairly high tolerance for opioid effects, having taken them for so long. For me it needs to be around 6-7 grams per dose (reds always higher - sometimes as much as 8 grams of red). But - this varies per strain even for me. The other day I took a green from Liza's at 5 grams and it almost completely knocked me out (actually it was her Happy-go-lucky mix so it was probably green/white and even a bit of red thrown in - who really knows?). With any new strain start small although the Good Thing (?) about Kratom is an overdose generally means you'll just throw it up (no other effects - for me I never vomit but I have gotten pretty sick and had to take the rest of the day off). 3 grams is usually recommended as the high starting end unless, like me, you know you need a lot more.

Well, well, well... Kelley is doing his part for the forum. You rock, dude. I love how one of us will pick up slack for the newbie questions. It fills my little, fucking black heart!!

However, if I dose more than 2g, I have wasted Kratom. I do .90g every 6 hours or so. That is what works for me.

When you get a new batch, use it for the first time, the first dose of the day. This will give you the very best impression of that particular leafs potency. Once I establish the magnitude of said Kratom, it finds itself in one of three tiers for my future shuffling.

[Kelleytoons]

I try and NOT answer questions - and I always preface it by saying "hey, I'm not really the one who knows" <g>. But I was up late last night and the question came up and...

And I sure wish I could dose smaller - I well remember when I first starting buying there was a "recommended dose" or words to that effect on a package I had and it said something like 1 gram and I just started laughing and thinking "well, clearly I don't know what I'm doing because I feel absolutely NOTHING unless I take at least 4-5 grams worth". From time to time I have TRIED (Lord knows I've tried :>) to take just a single capsule or two (packed each around .4 grams) just to see if the old "less is more" would kick in and... no. Not this big (fat) guy.

However, I am guessing there isn't an ounce of fat on your body and/or you've not spent a lot of time taking as many opioids as I have. That's my theory and I'm sticking to it (LOL).

[BundyMcDiggyDoodles]

Not sure how knowledgeable I am but I'm certainly verbose <g>.

I liked this, story of my life.

I don't like lemonade or tea or dirt earth taste of any kind. So I do in Orange juice or sometimes used the oblate discs. I also fantasize about being able to take much smaller doses but have that 5 day slow metabolism big boi status as well. I used to take upwards of 11 g 3 times a day but once I switched to better product from folks I found through doublem. It got done to 7-9 g twice a day. Taking breaks are definitely a huge plus for tolerance from what I hear. As a former dirty animal its not really something I have the willpower to do. However there are days where I can get away with taking my dose in half for a few days in a row. But just stopping for a period of time would be much better I bet. There are also some good tolerance reducer things out there that can help not make your tolerance sky rocket. I tend to take magnesium once or twice a day which would also play into why I was able to lower my dose a bit. There is a ton of great information on use and different ways people get down on here, just have to dig a little.

DoubleM Community I appreciate every one of you have a wonderful day and week!

[Chiqqen]

Throw your dose in a bottle, ideally glass.
Add a bottlecap of lemon/lime juice extract.
Mix until its evenly dispersed.
Add hot - NOT boiling or simmering - water. The hottest your tap goes will be fine.
Mix and let sit for at least 45 minutes.
Add Sunny D or OJ, and drink up!

Been doing it this way for months now, and my brews are always awesome.

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sunny d ftw. so much better, and cheaper, than oj. a gallon for like $3.50. I believe it has less sugar than oj as well, but I need to confirm that. I've been using sunny d for years now, and i virtually never taste the kratom.

[Kelleytoons]

As two people (DW and myself) who apparently are just NEVER going to get used to the taste, I can affirm the only two ways we can take the powder (short of capsules) without throwing up after trying EVERYTHING already mentioned here are:

1) Mixed with a LOT of peanut butter
2) Mixed with vodka

Both of those methods do work, assuming you use enough of the mixing agent. Otherwise ALL other things we've tried we've ended up spitting up (I'm always very amused by folks who write "and you won't taste the Kratom at all" - clearly their taste buds have somehow worn out or they enjoy way too many hot chili peppers :>).

For me it came down to capsules - DW can't even swallow those (due to throat issues), which is why I'm exploring tinctures. But I will say in passing that it MIGHT not be Kratom per se that's so horrible - on other forums, for other "substances", many folks have remarked that you need to take very distinct steps to get rid of plant material which is the major cause of most of the bad taste. Nothing I've done so far really does this, although my 100% alcohol tinctures may well (I will know more for sure by the end of this week). But I envy those of you to whom the taste of the powder itself is not gagging (you're a better man than I, Gunga Din).

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with the sunny d, it all comes down to technique. I have a certain way of mixing the kratom with a shot's worth, slamming that and immediately chasing it with plain sunny d. the chaser is important. you really have to put it in a separate small bottle so you can shake it instead of stirring it...stirring never mixes well.

using peanut butter sounds awful! not something that would be good to do every dose. using vodka is straight up hardcore, seems like you'd have to use a lot.

but there's some small things that would be hard to explain about the best way to not taste it, how to make sure not to breathe between the kratom shot and chaser...you kinda have to figure it out yourself, develop muscle memory, but it is certainly possible to not taste it at all, using sunny d specifically. no other juice/juice substitute that I've tried is as effective at both covering the taste and texture.

[Kelleytoons]

Yeah, again you assume that others are more tolerant of the taste - but perhaps this will clear it up for you. Just SMELLING it can make me vomit. So - no real way to get it down at all.

And... I'm not alone. I have at least five others I've tried to introduce this to with almost exactly the same problems. Now - it may be an age related issue (although our tastes SHOULD, at least theoretically, weaken as we get older). But I'm guessing you aren't nearly as old as I am (I'm at least old enough to be your father, if not your grandfather) and for us oldsters it is REALLY difficult to get past this stuff.

For vodka I find that one shot works okay for about a 3 gram dose - which isn't much (I often did three or four shots at night prior to Kratom just to get some easing of pain. Those days are long past, though). Peanut butter is okay IF you are hungry but otherwise a PITA.

Capsules are easiest - but I suspect my reduced tinctures will be the ultimate (reducing them down will mean a 5 gram dose could be in 1/2 teaspoon, which is so small even dropping it in an ounce of almost anything will be fine). Also I'm reducing the particulate - and my hunch is that *most* of the yukiness will go away with that. But we will see.

The most important lesson from all of this is that everyone is different, and we can't assume that people can take their Kratom the same way that others have no problems with. All we can do is recommend things to try.

[ColorMeIntrigued]

Hey guys I just wanted to say I was overwhelmed by the amount of responses and helpful suggestions from all of you.

I have also used a lot of opiates and it’s very hard to take small amounts and feel a thing. I need to invest in a scale cause like I said previously I am just throwing a few spoonfuls into some lemonade and tossing it back.

I suppose I’m just a trash raccoon cause the taste does not bother me at all I just swig the small bottle of lemonade and I’m good to go thankfully.

I had a quick question for anyone who drinks pre-workout drinks I heard that agmatine sulfate is a potentiator (don’t know how to spell that word) has anyone had better burns drinking a c4 energy drink after dosing? The drinks have amino acids which I believe break down into agmatine. I know it’s an oddly specific question but you all seem to be very knowledgeable so I figured I’d ask.

Thanks again for all your time and attention. Be well

[BallzDeep9]

I have also used a lot of opiates and it’s very hard to take small amounts and feel a thing. I need to invest in a scale ....
I had a quick question for anyone who drinks pre-workout drinks I heard that agmatine sulfate is a potentiator

Yeah Tolerance is really the #1 thing with kratom, . many people say, "Less is More", due to some nasty Side Effects - which kick in & cause a Withdrawal , and then: Feeling shitty, tired, hair loss, night sweats, raging, constipation, et cetera... we're now hearing about many negatives on YouTube videos. A Backlash against kratom ?? All because of doing way too much...

Kratom is NOT an "opioid" its a plant with totally different chemistry, compared to opioid drugs... Yes, good effects do come from our mµ opioid receptors. However it seems, the bad side effects come from 30+ other, minor, alkaloids which only become a problem with heavy use.

Sorry for Long Reply here - I wanted to say, Agmatine Sulfate, (and Black Seed Oil, too) are not really potentiators they are "Tolerance Reducers" . Those are super important for anyone who uses kratom for Chronic Pain... but also, ex- Opiate users too - A whole area of study. How long, does it take, for a person w/ strong opiate Habit - To lower their Tolerance back to "normal" range? I think the answer is... A long time. But that's really the whole game, with kratom!

There's even a Facebook group, and Reddit groups, for people using LDN (Low Dose Naltrexone) and ULDN, even Memantine - trying to UP regulate their receptors... because staying on high doses of anything - Methadone, Suboxone, or even Kratom - is not good!

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Kelley, as far as being more tolerant of the taste, I meant that sunny d allows me to avoid the taste, completely, if done correctly. and I may not be as young as you think

[Daydreamsofmountains]

I had a quick question for anyone who drinks pre-workout drinks I heard that agmatine sulfate is a potentiator (don’t know how to spell that word) has anyone had better burns drinking a c4 energy drink after dosing? The drinks have amino acids which I believe break down into agmatine. I know it’s an oddly specific question but you all seem to be very knowledgeable so I figured I’d ask.

Thanks again for all your time and attention. Be well
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Personally, agmatine significantly dulls the effects of Kratom for me. When I use it, I use it before bed to mitigate this as much as possible but it is still there. So I never use agmatine as a pre workout simply because I workout during the day.

[Kelleytoons]

Dulls the Kratom effect? Wow - I've always taken it at the start of the day, right before I take my first dose, and if anything I feel MORE (then again, I think the first dose of the day is always the best).

And I take my Kratom before tennis so I'm REALLY sensitive to how it works. Like I said, always works great but perhaps I should skip the Agmatine sometime and see what happens?

[Emanresu14]

I can't toss and wash. Tried many times but the stuff is like sand and just gets in every crevice in my mouth and tastes really bad. I have never tried blate plates but I hear they tear easily and I'm not sure how much you can fit in one. So, I have a size "000" capsule machine I got from amazon and use that to make capsules. 000 is about 1 gram so it's easy to keep track of how much your taking. Some can't swallow that many capsules just like I can't toss and wash .

[DrMe]

I have also used a lot of opiates and it’s very hard to take small amounts and feel a thing. I need to invest in a scale ....
I had a quick question for anyone who drinks pre-workout drinks I heard that agmatine sulfate is a potentiator

Yeah Tolerance is really the #1 thing with kratom, . many people say, "Less is More", due to some nasty Side Effects - which kick in & cause a Withdrawal , and then: Feeling shitty, tired, hair loss, night sweats, raging, constipation, et cetera... we're now hearing about many negatives on YouTube videos. A Backlash against kratom ?? All because of doing way too much...

Kratom is NOT an "opioid" its a plant with totally different chemistry, compared to opioid drugs... Yes, good effects do come from our mµ opioid receptors. However it seems, the bad side effects come from 30+ other, minor, alkaloids which only become a problem with heavy use.

Sorry for Long Reply here - I wanted to say, Agmatine Sulfate, (and Black Seed Oil, too) are not really potentiators they are "Tolerance Reducers" . Those are super important for anyone who uses kratom for Chronic Pain... but also, ex- Opiate users too - A whole area of study. How long, does it take, for a person w/ strong opiate Habit - To lower their Tolerance back to "normal" range? I think the answer is... A long time. But that's really the whole game, with kratom!

There's even a Facebook group, and Reddit groups, for people using LDN (Low Dose Naltrexone) and ULDN, even Memantine - trying to UP regulate their receptors... because staying on high doses of anything - Methadone, Suboxone, or even Kratom - is not good!

Hello, I came across this post when looking for ways to reduce tolerance because I have chronic pain and I basically take Kratom all day, 1 tsp every few hours. Would you be willing to share what regiment of black seed oil and/or agmatine would be good for someone with chronic pain? So far I only found the one for People in recovery and I don't know if I should take it the same way.

Thank you!!!

[BallzDeep9]

... I have chronic pain and I basically take Kratom all day, 1 tsp every few hours. Would you be willing to share what regiment of black seed oil and/or agmatine would be good for someone with chronic pain?

yeah taking kratom "all day" might seem OK for awhile... But will result in Tolerance and then kratom no longer having any effect ? IF you want to keep kratom working, you must limit your consumption, Less Is More, as we say. Of course, eating well and sleep, is also important and powder Kratom works best on empty stomach.

Chronic Pain is tough. At some point - Kratom is NOT the best choice. . Kratom is not a full agonist at your mµ receptors, only opioids do that, and kratom is NOT an "opioid". I understand that many people now can no longer GET opioids "Pain Pills" from their Doctor - But with kratom, filling up your receptors by taking more & more, will only lead to problems. Sorry. Kratom is kratom, we just have to accept that & understand how it works. It's still pretty good!

So, I get this advice from Chronic Pain people on Reddit. Are you on Reddit ?? The sub r/kratom is our "Knowledge Base", with many issues but - it's the largest searchable database. You Search there on Agmatine. You will find many people just like you - Who use Agmatine to BOOST the pain relief of plain powder kratom. Unfortunately many report that... You do get MORE pain relief, but LESS of the Euphoria or feel good effects. You'll just have to try & see how that works for you.

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I've never been able to reconcile the "less is more" mantra with the existence of extracts. if less is more, what is the point of extracts, a concentrated form of the most psychoactive alkaloids?

[DrMe]

... I have chronic pain and I basically take Kratom all day, 1 tsp every few hours. Would you be willing to share what regiment of black seed oil and/or agmatine would be good for someone with chronic pain?

yeah taking kratom "all day" might seem OK for awhile... But will result in Tolerance and then kratom no longer having any effect ? IF you want to keep kratom working, you must limit your consumption, Less Is More, as we say. Of course, eating well and sleep, is also important and powder Kratom works best on empty stomach.

Chronic Pain is tough. At some point - Kratom is NOT the best choice. . Kratom is not a full agonist at your mµ receptors, only opioids do that, and kratom is NOT an "opioid". I understand that many people now can no longer GET opioids "Pain Pills" from their Doctor - But with kratom, filling up your receptors by taking more & more, will only lead to problems. Sorry. Kratom is kratom, we just have to accept that & understand how it works. It's still pretty good!

So, I get this advice from Chronic Pain people on Reddit. Are you on Reddit ?? The sub r/kratom is our "Knowledge Base", with many issues but - it's the largest searchable database. You Search there on Agmatine. You will find many people just like you - Who use Agmatine to BOOST the pain relief of plain powder kratom. Unfortunately many report that... You do get MORE pain relief, but LESS of the Euphoria or feel good effects. You'll just have to try & see how that works for you.

Thanks for this great advice. As it turns out, I saw on here that some are using agmatine and mine arrived today. I'm excited to try. The chronic pain thing is such a catch 22. I'm trying to find other things that help, like cbd etc. I agree that kratom can't be a long term solution, but I'm grateful to have it as a short term option while I figure things out. Thank you!!