Shelf life?

[Crametap]

How long does kratom keep its potency when stored? I have built up a decent sized collection from solid vendors and take about 15-18 gpd. I have kept a log since beginning and have tried to ‘less is more’ it, but anything under or over 6 (except some nighttime reds) doesn’t have the effects that 6 does. Just at this pace it will take me a bit to extinguish all of my stash. I store it in the ziplock bags it comes in and a few in mason jars in a cool, dry place. Thanks, guys!

[CatfatherB]

As long as you keep it stored in a dry, dark and cool place it should retain it's potency.

[Crametap]

Ok awesome!! I should be good then! Thanks for the response

[onespeedstop]

I have some from 2017 or 2018 and it seems "stale" in smell/flavor or whatever, but I mix it with orange juice anyways, and it seems basically the same potency. I had some 2019 stuff just the other day and it was perfectly fine, like I dunno, 90%-100% as good as the day I got it. Some kratom is a year old by the time you buy it, the key is to just keep it in a sealed package, stored out of sunlight and in a dry place - a box in the closet tends to work fine, or even in the cupboard (kitchen) as long as it's not right above the stove. I don't really have a doomsday stash I'm storing though, I just have too many open bags I'm rotating my way through ha-ha.

[brave777]

Stale or not, i found bags in my car 5+ years and was as good as new, and trying old 2014 kratom is also good. As long you dont have water in it to mold it up , you should be good. even if its on a window side plastic bag and get oxidized, who knows you might like it. Since sun converts it into other properties. I wouldn't trow anything away, stash it away just in case in future there wont be any kratom, you can still harass your stash. or share it with your friends. If homless people find food in trash cans and still live what makes you think kratom will go bad in a nice dry place? If you see tons of bugs or mold visually, then i would be worried. But if its just powder, i see it as aged cheese that just went up in price.

I also dont know why people do OJ, the citrus flavor makes kratom flavor stand out even more for me. I hate this mix, why not chocolate milk?

[brave777]

How long does kratom keep its potency when stored? I have built up a decent sized collection from solid vendors and take about 15-18 gpd. I have kept a log since beginning and have tried to ‘less is more’ it, but anything under or over 6 (except some nighttime reds) doesn’t have the effects that 6 does. Just at this pace it will take me a bit to extinguish all of my stash. I store it in the ziplock bags it comes in and a few in mason jars in a cool, dry place. Thanks, guys!

I honestly think, to experience full effects of a batch it has to be 6 grams per dose. I mean to the point of sedation. Everything else is just stimulant. Also vary on batches, like you do not want to do 6 grams of GMD Lucky brand. Imagine how many other fast once are like that? One new batch can F your day up, always still try 2 grams even if you high doser... slowly increase... But if you doing it with coffee, instead 6 gram, 4 grams works perfect. Just be very careful, if vendor writes it has to be around 2-3 grams, sure do listen. Pay attention to words like fast or strong. Those batches always take less to not end up laying on your bed with a nice decent headache wobbles. But if buying from big company, most of them 6 grams per dose is normal. I try to aim for batches that put me to sleep if over taken instead of wobbles... Yes, this should be a new subject. Sleep or wobbles. I think the wobble batch is dried differently then the one that put you to sleep if over taken. I forgot what vendor but it was called "Big Bang white" batch.. amazing , get your ass up every morning. every time i over took it, it made me sleepy and i had each time the most amazing sleep... But if you over take any other white and it give you wobbles, i would mark it down as less is more, even if you take less and dont feel it much, you cannot by any circumstance over do it or experience unwanted feelings. This goes to green and reds as well. Since colors sometimes get mixed. I think there is a lot of confusion on this subject and we confuse each other with less is more, its not always true. It all depends on a batch and how its been dried. We still dont know full truth besides what gumpy wrote. iam sure there is more to dry techniques.

[Crametap]

Rock on! You guys are awesome! My stash is safe now (a little peace of mind haha) - I try to rotate em as much as possible as well... just had my first Lucky's and it has been fire for sure... also been digging Mitra mike's, Mitra man, Philly, and smiley time... had amazing stuff from each one.

[Wingardiumspeciosa]

As long as you keep it in a cool, dry place and leave it away from moisture you’re good. I keep most of my stuff in mason jars or airtight containers. Whipped out some gas from 2018 the other day and it was still potent and amazing

[brave777]

Rock on! You guys are awesome! My stash is safe now (a little peace of mind haha) - I try to rotate em as much as possible as well... just had my first Lucky's and it has been fire for sure... also been digging Mitra mike's, Mitra man, Philly, and smiley time... had amazing stuff from each one.

Amazing vendor choices. Only one i have not tried is philly, everyone else had a nice experience.

[NiqueKristan]

How long does kratom keep its potency when stored? I have built up a decent sized collection from solid vendors and take about 15-18 gpd. I have kept a log since beginning and have tried to ‘less is more’ it, but anything under or over 6 (except some nighttime reds) doesn’t have the effects that 6 does. Just at this pace it will take me a bit to extinguish all of my stash. I store it in the ziplock bags it comes in and a few in mason jars in a cool, dry place. Thanks, guys!

I honestly think, to experience full effects of a batch it has to be 6 grams per dose. I mean to the point of sedation. Everything else is just stimulant. Also vary on batches, like you do not want to do 6 grams of GMD Lucky brand. Imagine how many other fast once are like that? One new batch can F your day up, always still try 2 grams even if you high doser... slowly increase... But if you doing it with coffee, instead 6 gram, 4 grams works perfect. Just be very careful, if vendor writes it has to be around 2-3 grams, sure do listen. Pay attention to words like fast or strong. Those batches always take less to not end up laying on your bed with a nice decent headache wobbles. But if buying from big company, most of them 6 grams per dose is normal. I try to aim for batches that put me to sleep if over taken instead of wobbles... Yes, this should be a new subject. Sleep or wobbles. I think the wobble batch is dried differently then the one that put you to sleep if over taken. I forgot what vendor but it was called "Big Bang white" batch.. amazing , get your ass up every morning. every time i over took it, it made me sleepy and i had each time the most amazing sleep... But if you over take any other white and it give you wobbles, i would mark it down as less is more, even if you take less and dont feel it much, you cannot by any circumstance over do it or experience unwanted feelings. This goes to green and reds as well. Since colors sometimes get mixed. I think there is a lot of confusion on this subject and we confuse each other with less is more, its not always true. It all depends on a batch and how its been dried. We still dont know full truth besides what gumpy wrote. iam sure there is more to dry techniques.

I think everyone is different. Anything between 3-5g or a red or gold is relaxing to me. 1-4g of a green or white is usually stimulating to me. There have been only a couple of instances where a red didn’t relax me or a white didn’t stimulate me.

[kwest13]

Stale or not, i found bags in my car 5+ years and was as good as new, and trying old 2014 kratom is also good. As long you dont have water in it to mold it up , you should be good. even if its on a window side plastic bag and get oxidized, who knows you might like it. Since sun converts it into other properties. I wouldn't trow anything away, stash it away just in case in future there wont be any kratom, you can still harass your stash. or share it with your friends. If homless people find food in trash cans and still live what makes you think kratom will go bad in a nice dry place? If you see tons of bugs or mold visually, then i would be worried. But if its just powder, i see it as aged cheese that just went up in price.

I also dont know why people do OJ, the citrus flavor makes kratom flavor stand out even more for me. I hate this mix, why not chocolate milk?

I love seeing people who prefer chocolate milk! It's the only thing I use. Also pro-tip: chocolate almond milk is *almost* just as good but it doesn't expire fast and will last way longer than regular milk. I always keep some chocolate almond in the fridge as a backup just in case I run out of normal or it expired. Oh and also, i've never tried kratom and OJ but that does not sound pleasant.

[kwest13]

Rock on! You guys are awesome! My stash is safe now (a little peace of mind haha) - I try to rotate em as much as possible as well... just had my first Lucky's and it has been fire for sure... also been digging Mitra mike's, Mitra man, Philly, and smiley time... had amazing stuff from each one.

which Lucky's did you have?

[Crametap]

Rock on! You guys are awesome! My stash is safe now (a little peace of mind haha) - I try to rotate em as much as possible as well... just had my first Lucky's and it has been fire for sure... also been digging Mitra mike's, Mitra man, Philly, and smiley time... had amazing stuff from each one.

which Lucky's did you have?

First open event I got Hulu, gmd, and Bourneo blast - all solid as a rock! Second open event I snagged a little extra Hulu, high octane, royal bent, and super greens (I was in a hurry at work and meant to get the red Bali instead of the bent but I have read good things about the bent so oh well) - those are still in route

[kwest13]

Rock on! You guys are awesome! My stash is safe now (a little peace of mind haha) - I try to rotate em as much as possible as well... just had my first Lucky's and it has been fire for sure... also been digging Mitra mike's, Mitra man, Philly, and smiley time... had amazing stuff from each one.

which Lucky's did you have?

First open event I got Hulu, gmd, and Bourneo blast - all solid as a rock! Second open event I snagged a little extra Hulu, high octane, royal bent, and super greens (I was in a hurry at work and meant to get the red Bali instead of the bent but I have read good things about the bent so oh well) - those are still in route

Damn you got some in route? I got lucky and actually snagged a full membership but they are moving next week and won't be taking orders until July 6th.

[Crametap]

which Lucky's did you have?

First open event I got Hulu, gmd, and Bourneo blast - all solid as a rock! Second open event I snagged a little extra Hulu, high octane, royal bent, and super greens (I was in a hurry at work and meant to get the red Bali instead of the bent but I have read good things about the bent so oh well) - those are still in route

Damn you got some in route? I got lucky and actually snagged a full membership but they are moving next week and won't be taking orders until July 6th.

Yeah I hit up that second open event - I wanted to try all of it haha - I’ll be keeping my eyes peeled in august for open enrollment

[kwest13]

First open event I got Hulu, gmd, and Bourneo blast - all solid as a rock! Second open event I snagged a little extra Hulu, high octane, royal bent, and super greens (I was in a hurry at work and meant to get the red Bali instead of the bent but I have read good things about the bent so oh well) - those are still in route

Damn you got some in route? I got lucky and actually snagged a full membership but they are moving next week and won't be taking orders until July 6th.

Yeah I hit up that second open event - I wanted to try all of it haha - I’ll be keeping my eyes peeled in august for open enrollment

Yeah youll have to report back on what is your favorite. I prefer energy/euphoria/mood over sedation/pain relief so i'm always on the lookout for opinions.

[Crametap]

Damn you got some in route? I got lucky and actually snagged a full membership but they are moving next week and won't be taking orders until July 6th.

Yeah I hit up that second open event - I wanted to try all of it haha - I’ll be keeping my eyes peeled in august for open enrollment

Yeah youll have to report back on what is your favorite. I prefer energy/euphoria/mood over sedation/pain relief so i'm always on the lookout for opinions.

For sure - I have the exact same taste… still trying to find my niche with reds… I’m def mood/energy/euphoria… sometimes it takes a few times for them to hit right… super greens from Philly didn’t hit the first three times I took it, but 4th time it rock and rolled - I keep a log as well for time/dosing etc but once I get a chance to try em I’ll come back on here and let ya know! The green md, Hulu, and Borneo were all solid

[kwest13]

Yeah I hit up that second open event - I wanted to try all of it haha - I’ll be keeping my eyes peeled in august for open enrollment

Yeah youll have to report back on what is your favorite. I prefer energy/euphoria/mood over sedation/pain relief so i'm always on the lookout for opinions.

For sure - I have the exact same taste… still trying to find my niche with reds… I’m def mood/energy/euphoria… sometimes it takes a few times for them to hit right… super greens from Philly didn’t hit the first three times I took it, but 4th time it rock and rolled - I keep a log as well for time/dosing etc but once I get a chance to try em I’ll come back on here and let ya know! The green md, Hulu, and Borneo were all solid

Nice. Yeah there's one thing for sure that affects how hard it hits. Taking it on an empty stomach really helps. And then after dosing, drinking extra water to maintain hydration.

[Crametap]

Yeah youll have to report back on what is your favorite. I prefer energy/euphoria/mood over sedation/pain relief so i'm always on the lookout for opinions.

For sure - I have the exact same taste… still trying to find my niche with reds… I’m def mood/energy/euphoria… sometimes it takes a few times for them to hit right… super greens from Philly didn’t hit the first three times I took it, but 4th time it rock and rolled - I keep a log as well for time/dosing etc but once I get a chance to try em I’ll come back on here and let ya know! The green md, Hulu, and Borneo were all solid

Nice. Yeah there's one thing for sure that affects how hard it hits. Taking it on an empty stomach really helps. And then after dosing, drinking extra water to maintain hydration.

For sure - I always try to make sure I do it in an empty stomach and I stay fairly hydrated…. Does it help to drink extra water after a dose?

[kwest13]

For sure - I have the exact same taste… still trying to find my niche with reds… I’m def mood/energy/euphoria… sometimes it takes a few times for them to hit right… super greens from Philly didn’t hit the first three times I took it, but 4th time it rock and rolled - I keep a log as well for time/dosing etc but once I get a chance to try em I’ll come back on here and let ya know! The green md, Hulu, and Borneo were all solid

Nice. Yeah there's one thing for sure that affects how hard it hits. Taking it on an empty stomach really helps. And then after dosing, drinking extra water to maintain hydration.

For sure - I always try to make sure I do it in an empty stomach and I stay fairly hydrated…. Does it help to drink extra water after a dose?

I mix my dose with chocolate milk and sometimes chocolate almond milk (way longer expiration). I use one of these: https://www.amazon.com/Zulay-Original-M ... 09D8T11YS/ to mix extremely well. Then drink a bunch of water after that. The more you can break down the raw powder and hydrate along with it, the more evenly your stomach can break it down for a better kratom burn. Just don't overdo the water because you don't want to feel bloated and uncomfortable while waiting for the dose to kick in.

[Crametap]

Nice. Yeah there's one thing for sure that affects how hard it hits. Taking it on an empty stomach really helps. And then after dosing, drinking extra water to maintain hydration.

For sure - I always try to make sure I do it in an empty stomach and I stay fairly hydrated…. Does it help to drink extra water after a dose?

I mix my dose with chocolate milk and sometimes chocolate almond milk (way longer expiration). I use one of these: https://www.amazon.com/Zulay-Original-M ... 09D8T11YS/ to mix extremely well. Then drink a bunch of water after that. The more you can break down the raw powder and hydrate along with it, the more evenly your stomach can break it down for a better kratom burn. Just don't overdo the water because you don't want to feel bloated and uncomfortable while waiting for the dose to kick in.

Boom - thanks!

[mivanqua]

Stale or not, i found bags in my car 5+ years and was as good as new, and trying old 2014 kratom is also good. As long you dont have water in it to mold it up , you should be good. even if its on a window side plastic bag and get oxidized, who knows you might like it. Since sun converts it into other properties. I wouldn't trow anything away, stash it away just in case in future there wont be any kratom, you can still harass your stash. or share it with your friends. If homless people find food in trash cans and still live what makes you think kratom will go bad in a nice dry place? If you see tons of bugs or mold visually, then i would be worried. But if its just powder, i see it as aged cheese that just went up in price.

I also dont know why people do OJ, the citrus flavor makes kratom flavor stand out even more for me. I hate this mix, why not chocolate milk?

Just so you know, and it has been mentioned on here before, but hippie put some RVA Green Bali out in the sun for a whole summer to experiment. I received some of both as part of the experiment, and the only thing different (that I could tell) was that the oxidized stuff had a SUPER rank flavor, effect was the same though. In other words, based on this one experiment anyway, sunlight (post production) had no noticeable effect on alkaloid profile. She did it, I believe, to slow it down a little.

[Crametap]

Stale or not, i found bags in my car 5+ years and was as good as new, and trying old 2014 kratom is also good. As long you dont have water in it to mold it up , you should be good. even if its on a window side plastic bag and get oxidized, who knows you might like it. Since sun converts it into other properties. I wouldn't trow anything away, stash it away just in case in future there wont be any kratom, you can still harass your stash. or share it with your friends. If homless people find food in trash cans and still live what makes you think kratom will go bad in a nice dry place? If you see tons of bugs or mold visually, then i would be worried. But if its just powder, i see it as aged cheese that just went up in price.

I also dont know why people do OJ, the citrus flavor makes kratom flavor stand out even more for me. I hate this mix, why not chocolate milk?

Just so you know, and it has been mentioned on here before, but hippie put some RVA Green Bali out in the sun for a whole summer to experiment. I received some of both as part of the experiment, and the only thing different (that I could tell) was that the oxidized stuff had a SUPER rank flavor, effect was the same though. In other words, based on this one experiment anyway, sunlight (post production) had no noticeable effect on alkaloid profile. She did it, I believe, to slow it down a little.

Oh wow that’s crazy - puttin in some work!

[brave777]

Stale or not, i found bags in my car 5+ years and was as good as new, and trying old 2014 kratom is also good. As long you dont have water in it to mold it up , you should be good. even if its on a window side plastic bag and get oxidized, who knows you might like it. Since sun converts it into other properties. I wouldn't trow anything away, stash it away just in case in future there wont be any kratom, you can still harass your stash. or share it with your friends. If homless people find food in trash cans and still live what makes you think kratom will go bad in a nice dry place? If you see tons of bugs or mold visually, then i would be worried. But if its just powder, i see it as aged cheese that just went up in price.

I also dont know why people do OJ, the citrus flavor makes kratom flavor stand out even more for me. I hate this mix, why not chocolate milk?

Just so you know, and it has been mentioned on here before, but hippie put some RVA Green Bali out in the sun for a whole summer to experiment. I received some of both as part of the experiment, and the only thing different (that I could tell) was that the oxidized stuff had a SUPER rank flavor, effect was the same though. In other words, based on this one experiment anyway, sunlight (post production) had no noticeable effect on alkaloid profile. She did it, I believe, to slow it down a little.

INTERESTING. So it might even start from a tree iteself and current time its being picked to already have certain alkaloids? So season, weather and location play and big roll i suppose.