How often do you take tolerance breaks?

[DrFappingston]

I've been using Kratom daily for anxiety, depression and the fatigue and lack of motivation that comes with it since January, as seen in my signature. I fiddled with dosing for quite awhile (like a science experiment, almost) I ended up settling with 5g and 6g for a bedtime red.

I have been tracking my doses for the past 2-3 weeks and find that I average between 15 and 21 grams per day. That's 3 doses a day (7a, 12-1p, and around 5-6p with the semi-frequent bedtime red) I'm about 6 foot and 300 pounds. (though Kratom has really helped me stick to my most recent diet). I blend strains from different vendors about 90% of the time and try to avoid using one blend for more than a day or two at a time and rarely the same blend more than once a day.

I haven't taken a tolerance break yet and I'm wondering when I should. Is it something that you just know? Do you wait until your normal dose is no longer effective? Do you go by a set amount of time? I just want to get other people's opinions and habits. Thanks

Bonus round: Do you cut your dose to achieve the "less is more" effect when your normal dose stops being effective or do you cut your dose after returning from a tolerance break?

[ScottyK]

I've been going about a year without a tolerance break. I find that the strength of my doses go up and down for no apparent reason at any given moment. Sometimes it's good, and sometimes it's great! At the end of the day, my goal is to not be sick.

I try not to be one of these compulsive people that gets all crazy about doses and sits around analyzing how I feel every ten minutes. I ain't got time for that. You gotta admit, some of these folks are nuts! Don't sweat it.

[DrFappingston]

I've noticed the strength fluctuation as well. It has to do with digestion and metabolism, I think. Sometimes you'll metabolize the alkaloids faster or slower and it gives you a perceived change in strength. Cayenne pills seem to help if I dose around the time I eat. There are times I'll take Kratom and it will be hardly effective even if I've gotten great results from the strain before.

I don't tend to worry much about micro managing my Kratom use either. It's very apparent when it's working because my attitude about a lot of things change, I don't get nearly as anxious and I'm more prone to seeing the positive in things. I'm just curious to know how others are avoiding building a tolerance because I want to mitigate that issue as much as I can. It's already fairly unpleasant downing 5g of powder in a toss and wash fashion, which is usually how I take it because it's quick and easy.

If this post doesn't attract more input I'll probably just keep on what I'm doing until I don't get relief from my current dose, then take a tolerance break and try a half dose after a week.

[plumplump]

once a week, or week and a half, i take 1-3 days off. i get restless legs at nightime (it was an issue for me before kratom, but its definitely worse on my off days now than before i started kratom), and i guess maybe im a little cranky at times. i'm taking the breaks more in hopes that if there comes a point where for some reason i am unable to take kratom, or have to stop cold turkey, i can keep withdrawal at manageable level.

[CatfatherB]

Sometimes kratom stops working for me so I cut my doses way down and put a lot of time on the clock between doses and it usually starts working in about 2 days, I know one thing.....it don't matter if every batch in your possession is FIRE!! It don't mean squat on the days it don't work

I have yet to take a day off kratom....and i absolutely refuse to !

[Oletimer]

I haven't took a break, no need to yet,,I also blend different vendors strains together,,usually green and white 1st off in morning, then green and green blends,noonish,afternoon red and white, and like you largest dose a couple of hours before bedtime, I keep my doses about 3 gr. And double it on last dose,,I don't keep track and meticulously rotate, I have plenty of oz size bags,sorted out by color,and slow and faster, and dose according to how I feel, ,that's why I also have a box with anxiety strains and one for night blends, I try to journal my blends that hit sweet spot,,

[Uncle Rick]

In the future T BREAKS will become a necessity
until then, dont stress too much about it.
but once you're opioid receptors are shot, you'll have to find out for yourself how fast your body recovers from wd.
for some people 1 week is enough to drop their tolerance significantly.
however for me.

i need 2 weeks minimum before its even worth it.

[Payshince]

I've been going about a year without a tolerance break. I find that the strength of my doses go up and down for no apparent reason at any given moment. Sometimes it's good, and sometimes it's great! At the end of the day, my goal is to not be sick.

I try not to be one of these compulsive people that gets all crazy about doses and sits around analyzing how I feel every ten minutes. I ain't got time for that. You gotta admit, some of these folks are nuts! Don't sweat it.

Lmfao
Now thats funny!

Its true I sure do love to really dig deep into the effects I find it fun and extremely interesting to be honest. You’re right though, I mean sh!t I dont have the time for it either but it is reassuring for me to be able to be a bit more certain with things instead of it being out of my control.

With Debilitating anxiety (esp b4 Kratom) I had very little control. On top of that I have OCD, so I just like to know what’s what. It’s comforting..

Anyway, yeah less is more!

[Payshince]

I wont lie either, I am obsessed with Kratom!


Ive always thought about breaking down every little thing.
“Like when you’re with friends in high school smoking a bowl and clambaking the car and simply just philosophizing for hrs”!
Thats who I was but now even no longer living that life it is still who I am!

(Slightly off topic)

Anyway,

Yeah tolerance breaks of course are necessary but in time!
I will be and need to Stem & Vein it up real soon

Ive never completely taking a week off (although it doesn’t hurt). Its good to refresh your system and you never know, those “so-so” batches could end up being WOW.. good stuff after your T-break!

Every now and then it is def a good thing..

I cut my dosage in half basically from 20-24g a day to 10-12g for about two weeks every 6ish months.

I will not go any further until I have more of a grasp on my anxiety management mentally and physically! Meaning down to 0g,
Still have a lot to learn and I still have days with bad anxiety due to an insufficient burn.

I would not worry though, just continue to learn and less is more!

[Payshince]

I find the Long List of Potentiators are a clever way to beat the Tolerance Problems...

But sooner or later you’re only fooling yourself!


I spend a strict amount on-
This and that,
These Nootropics..
Those Organic things..
Etc

I’m def pleased to be able to do this but it is a bit out of hand I mean I sure as hell wouldn’t be able to dedicate so much toward all “these things”
If I had a gf...

Or would I?

[clueless vein]

Every few months or so. Just to show myself i can. Helps space out all my rotations as well. Recently its been twice a day. Every day is I control my tolerence by soscing out doses and using minimal whenever possible. I skipped my second dose yesterday and I'm satisfied with my last burn. Left a reciew in a comment. Using thc/cbd oils to ease some tension and stress for tonight personally; as a fan of herbal and natural remedies

[clueless vein]

I find the Long List of Potentiators are a clever way to beat the Tolerance Problems...

But sooner or later you’re only fooling yourself!


I spend a strict amount on-
This and that,
These Nootropics..
Those Organic things..
Etc

I’m def pleased to be able to do this but it is a bit out of hand I mean I sure as hell wouldn’t be able to dedicate so much toward all “these things”
If I had a gf...

Or would I?

personally, i dont use any potentiaters. I like to know exactly what my blends and kratom on its own can do. Maybe some day; but I like knowing its all my burn and effort to make it exact. A bit proud of myself for my blends, you know? I need to have pride in something c'mon!

[ScottyK]

I've been going about a year without a tolerance break. I find that the strength of my doses go up and down for no apparent reason at any given moment. Sometimes it's good, and sometimes it's great! At the end of the day, my goal is to not be sick.

I try not to be one of these compulsive people that gets all crazy about doses and sits around analyzing how I feel every ten minutes. I ain't got time for that. You gotta admit, some of these folks are nuts! Don't sweat it.

Lmfao
Now thats funny!

Its true I sure do love to really dig deep into the effects I find it fun and extremely interesting to be honest. You’re right though, I mean sh!t I dont have the time for it either but it is reassuring for me to be able to be a bit more certain with things instead of it being out of my control.

With Debilitating anxiety (esp b4 Kratom) I had very little control. On top of that I have OCD, so I just like to know what’s what. It’s comforting..

Anyway, yeah less is more!

I guess I'm just one of those people that struggles with putting how I feel into words in a descriptive way. I read some of this stuff on other sites and I'm like . . .What? Do you dose and then walk around with a pen and paper and jot down each tingle in your body when it occurs?

I think that when I'm ready to take a T break, I'll be cutting down to once or twice a week. I just don't see the point in putting myself through that torture every month, or every week. Nothing makes me more miserable than WD's. Even the thought of WD's coming around the corner freaks me out and I usually relapse on dope.

I guess if I wake up one morning and Kratom fails to pull me out of WD's, then a decision will have to be made, but so far that hasn't happened.

[DrFappingston]

Ive always thought about breaking down every little thing.
“Like when you’re with friends in high school smoking a bowl and clambaking the car and simply just philosophizing for hrs”!
Thats who I was but now even no longer living that life it is still who I am!

Brother, is that you?... I feel this in my soul. Anxiety disorders will do that to you, over-analyzing every little occurence and interaction until it drives you mad. I find that I'm not so much that way with kratom, because well, once I take it I'm able to let that shit go whereas normally it would eat at the back of my mind with insecurity and worry of the unknown because "What if....?".

I find the Long List of Potentiators are a clever way to beat the Tolerance Problems...

Yeah, I don't worry too much about potentiators but I have tinkered around with them here and there. The only things I take on the regular basis are a turmeric/bioperine pill in the morning with the rest of my daily vitamins, because why not... and cayenne pepper pills usually before or after eating. I find the cayenne really helps to potentiate the kratom when I've just eaten or I am about to eat. It just negates the dilution effect because it kickstarts your metabolism. I don't really notice any benefit to cayenne and kratom other than that specific use.

I cut my dosage in half basically from 20-24g a day to 10-12g for about two weeks every 6ish months.

I'll probably end up doing something like this, I'd like to avoid full-on WD if I can avoid it.. Kratom or not, I still have to pick my sorry ass up out of bed and get to work 40+ hours a week. Being at work and in WD to any extent sounds absolutely terrible and counterintuitive to the reason that I'm taking kratom in the first place.

A bit proud of myself for my blends, you know? I need to have pride in something c'mon!

I know, right? I blend a vast majority of the time because it seems like individual strains usually feel "flat" on their own... Why settle for a 1-sided burn when I can blend and fine-tune the effect I'm looking for?... I do my best to rotate strains all the time, but oh my... When I find a blend that I really like, it's hard to say no. Most recently it was White Big Bang and Super Green #3. Those two were great together in the morning, it had me walking into work to the tune of James Brown - I Feel Good https://youtu.be/QXCGnTy-v2M?t=4

[Payshince]

DrFappingston!

Im relieved to see another person in this crazy World who also suffers from Anxiety Disorder to have
Found
Some
Relieff!


Thank God.

[Payshince]

Your last sentence... up two previous posts

^ ^


Yes, I fuckNg love driving into work most mornings because my 1st burn of the day is kicking in whilst driving and yes it is safe. I have my radio on and music sounds soo much more
Pronounced.

I need to chill with the Shazaming but so many new songs I really grasp onto
My ADHD has always interfered with my interpretation with songs like what are they saying? Etc etc

I hear bits and pieces broken down NOW
I FUCK!n6 love it
I can actually hear Music for what it is now
What different instruments
The unity
The lyricism
It is soo intense

Ive always loved Music but now
I can actually (hear) more things vividly.

Theres this new song by,
Noah Kahan - Mess

I like the track a lot

[DrFappingston]

Ive always loved Music but now
I can actually (hear) more things vividly.

Theres this new song by,
Noah Kahan - Mess

I like the track a lot

Oh boy, don't get me started on music or we'll need to make a whole new thread for music discussion... There are some blends/strains that hit me in just that right way where I'll crank up Spotify in my headphones and vibe out, almost literally feeling the weight on my shoulders lessen as the anxiety and depression melt away... and for awhile, it's bliss. It's kind of crazy, because the way that we speak about kratom you would think it's some sort of crazy drug... but for normal people, it might not do much of anything noticeable... but for those of us that have mental health issues, pain issues or opioid dependencies it is a miracle.

Kratom doesn't make me feel great, it doesn't make me feel "high" or anything... I think it just makes me feel normal, and for some people, just feeling normal is very much a great feeling... better than any substance in the vein of alcohol, marijuana, LSD, etc... I don't want to escape my problems, I just need to function well enough to face them head on and that's what kratom allows me to do.

Check out this song if you like folk punk at all. I've been digging this genre lately because I can relate to a lot of the lyrics. It feels like it comes from the soul and I can really connect with that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AagXbraxPK0

Edit: This was the song I meant to link, but the other one is really good too so I'll leave it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui2JFw6gLck